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Here's my take on it: Punk steals from another kid and says it was because they said something mean.
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When will folks let it go - Microtech
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Here's my take on it: Punk steals from another kid and says it was because they said something mean.
Here's my take on it; Bully (Marifone) busy enjoying being a bully hears someone defy him by saying something in a normal competitive capitalist business like way. Bully freaks out, twists statement into outrageous lie to gain sympathy from bystanders. Bully gets zero sympathy (surprise, surprise) so bully resorts to their normal behavior to steal their competitors designs and profit form theft.
Then shill for said bully comes along and asks for all sins to be washed away.
Did I miss anything?
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So wait a second, the knife world is to 'let it go' (premise of your OP) because you don't agree with their conclusion?
Given the behaviour of the company in the past at copying designs, not just KAI's, together with their general behaviour and language, your conclusion seems naive at best.
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So no one is able to make a knife with a lever lock? I'm confused, and those two knives while similar are quite different.
Other manufacturers that use lever locks on an automatic include: AKC and Boker, and about 19 different other Russian and Italian companies make an automatic with lever locks, so again............why everyone then lumps Microtech into "copying" Mikov designs is beyond me. They made a knife with a lever lock, wow.
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Actually Kai never threatened to or did steal Marfione's design. Double action OTF are not Marfione's design or patent. What they did was design an OTF with their own unique ZT styling then challenge Microtech that they were going to put out a better quality OTF for cheaper and basically said "your move". Infact KAI so took the highroad they didn't even release the knife so as to not step on toes.
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What were the supposed multiple inciting incidents youre referring to?
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As stated in the video, paraphrased: "It's not just that they're both lever locks, they're VERY similar;" he'd go on to describe the similarities in size, width and other significant ways to include aesthetics.
It's not hard to conclude the Micro is a direct copy with a little superficial flourish added to differentiate it from the original, but not enough of a difference where a cursory glance could easily tell the two apart. Seems to be Micro's modus operandi.
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Also if you look at most Leverlocks they are more of a stilleto style generally. What Marfione stole from Mikov is the outline and design of their sort of coffin handled liner lock.
Just like Kai didn't invent the subframelock (or actually did they?) and no one is accusing Marfione for building a folder with a subframelock. What they are accusing him of is blantantly ripping off the design of the 0777 with the Matrix.
So not leverlock he stole, but design of Mikov's leverlock.
Not subframelock he stole, but design of 0777.
Just like Kai didn't invent the subframelock (or actually did they?) and no one is accusing Marfione for building a folder with a subframelock. What they are accusing him of is blantantly ripping off the design of the 0777 with the Matrix.
So not leverlock he stole, but design of Mikov's leverlock.
Not subframelock he stole, but design of 0777.
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KAI coming up to Marfione and threatening him at blade show. That's all again that we know, from there Anthony Marfione acted on his end, while KAI ended up not following through on their end. To me, just because Microtech followed through and KAI didn't doesn't make KAI automatically the martyr here. Were both companies playing poorly together?.... yes, but my problem is that only a few folks are recognizing KAI's contribution to this entire situation.
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Threatened how?
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Best we know is to read Anthony Marfione's statement on what happened: https://www.docdroid.net/XNl27ap/microtechknives-natrixreleaseresponse-2017127.pdf.html
I don't see or haven't been able to locate KAI's response to what happened on their end, which would be nice.
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That's some serious mental gymnastics going on in your statement. It doesn't matter what was said by KAI. They didn't blatantly rip off one of Microtech's design and make a production model out of it. Microtech did. The fact that you are justifying theft is laughable.
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It's honesty, not mental gymnastics. It does matter what KAI did, and in any fight it matters what both parties did to contribute. Everyone want to pile up on Microtech that's fine, it's just not honest.
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So according to your logic, if Apple told Samsung that they could make an exact copy of the Galaxy and do it better, then Samsung is allowed to creat an exact duplicate of the iPhone? Feel free to correct this analogy if you don't think it's correct.
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I'm not saying Microtech didn't take it to another level, but I am saying KAI did have a part.
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Even according to Marfione's account, KAI did nothing more than trash talk and say they could make a better OTF. Yet somehow that's justification for ripping off someone else's design and actually making a product to sell.
There's a reason that only a few people are jumping to Microtech's defense. Did you ever think that what they did is actually indefensible? Who gives a crap what was actually said? Words are just that. Words.
There's a reason that only a few people are jumping to Microtech's defense. Did you ever think that what they did is actually indefensible? Who gives a crap what was actually said? Words are just that. Words.
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On one hand we have the word of Tony Marfione, which seems to be worth less than the breath it takes to expel it, and on the other we have actual, physical evidence of design theft plus admission of said design theft. But, "both sides!", suuuuuure.
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There's no excusing what Microtech did. That is all.
Your fallacy seems to be using Marifone's statement about what KAI did as a mater of fact.
You've built your house on a foundation of salt and lies.
So there is no doubt something was said. What was said is a mater of debate. Your "witness" has unfortunately zero traction so that's why you seem to be facing an un-climbable wall of skepticism.
You've built your house on a foundation of salt and lies.
So there is no doubt something was said. What was said is a mater of debate. Your "witness" has unfortunately zero traction so that's why you seem to be facing an un-climbable wall of skepticism.
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