Esav Benyamin
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Where I have been...
- Thread starter Marion David Poff
- Start date
I read this entire thread and the links. It became one of those "I just couldn't put it down" reads.
I've only been a member here for a short while, comparatively speaking. In that short time, I have ordered and purchased numerous custom knives from several knifemakers. In all of my transactions, from start to finish, I have had nothing but smooth, timely, courteous, pleasant communications and end results. Hopefully, that will continue for me as time passes.
Mr. Poff reminds me of many (if not most) of my hundreds and hundreds of "clients" during my 28 years as a LEO. None was ever totally wrong and would say whatever was necessary to mitigate their actions. They would often attempt an end-run in the form of soliciting sympathy for whatever reasons to whomever would listen.....as this has obviously worked in some capacity for them previously. I have no doubt that Mr. Poff has had some trying times in his life. Who hasn't that's over the age of 16....? The character and integrity of a person is easily discerned by how they deal with these trying times. The case of Mr. Poff is no exception.
We all have likely helped out another in need, be they family members, friends or strangers. In no case would I feel more relieved if I were to be taken advantage of more by one of said group over another. But, it does take a "special" person to discount anothers friendship enough to place that friendship in jepardy, much less to knowingly and quite willingly commit a crime against that friend....which is exactly what Mr. Poff did in this and many other alleged circumstances. Theft and fraud are the obvious crimes. Lack of integrity, albeit not a crime, is of no less importance and carries no less weight.....to my way of thinking.
Suffice it to say, I will never do business with Mr. Poff nor will I ever promote his business to friends or any other members. He has clearly shown that he lacks the character which I feel necessary to do business with and the fairness and forthright behavior I expect in any human being no matter what his lot in life may be or might have been. These current matters and/or issues coupled with his obvious history of such shady dealings should make anyone more than a bit leery of doing business with Mr. Poff. To act otherwise would seem foolish, but then again, something about "a fool is born...............".
Feeling sorry for someone who has done everything possible to make matters right makes perfect sense and I would applaud those that have worked together to satisfy that which needed resolution. It is painfully obvious that it would have taken only a phone call or email to clarify most matters that have been discussed in this thread and others. Last I checked, sending emails was free, so even if funds were/are a problem (which really isn't a buyer's problem, no matter what), this could easily have been accomplished, without costing him a penny. We're talking months of no communications between he and his customers........paid customers.
It is human to want to forget and to forgive. The problem lies not in the forgetting or forgiving, but in who we allow ourselves to forget and forgive. Those who have received such "gifts" on numerous occasions and continue to commit these same crimes, they are "users" and will not change as long as they can benefit from our continuing to enable them. Unfortunately, that's exactly what we are doing.....enabling them. Worst of all, we then are setting up other members to be potential customers/victims of Mr. Poff which I'm sure isn't in any of our best interest. So yes, we have a community interest and responsibility to air this subject and it is good and fair that it is being discussed here and openly. To do otherwise would serve Mr. Poff and as far as I can tell, Mr. Poff only cares about Mr. Poff and his best interests are quite obvious. I know that telling Mr. Poff to keep the $ and just return the items sounds well intended, but it only furthers his belief that he can "get-over' on others at will. This offer really only emboldens Mr. Poff and his beliefs and lifestyle and in the long run (perhaps, not so long), places all of us and others more in harm's way. Stealing, lying and fraud is not OK.....no matter who and why they're doing it.
There are too many skilled forum members to take chances on those we know have "issues". Being a "bad businessman" or making bad choices are self-inflicted for the most part. To want to place even a little bit of the blame for one's own obvious failings on those who have extended themselves in an attempt to help.........totally selfish, disrespectful, childish and cowardly..........at best.
I've only been a member here for a short while, comparatively speaking. In that short time, I have ordered and purchased numerous custom knives from several knifemakers. In all of my transactions, from start to finish, I have had nothing but smooth, timely, courteous, pleasant communications and end results. Hopefully, that will continue for me as time passes.
Mr. Poff reminds me of many (if not most) of my hundreds and hundreds of "clients" during my 28 years as a LEO. None was ever totally wrong and would say whatever was necessary to mitigate their actions. They would often attempt an end-run in the form of soliciting sympathy for whatever reasons to whomever would listen.....as this has obviously worked in some capacity for them previously. I have no doubt that Mr. Poff has had some trying times in his life. Who hasn't that's over the age of 16....? The character and integrity of a person is easily discerned by how they deal with these trying times. The case of Mr. Poff is no exception.
We all have likely helped out another in need, be they family members, friends or strangers. In no case would I feel more relieved if I were to be taken advantage of more by one of said group over another. But, it does take a "special" person to discount anothers friendship enough to place that friendship in jepardy, much less to knowingly and quite willingly commit a crime against that friend....which is exactly what Mr. Poff did in this and many other alleged circumstances. Theft and fraud are the obvious crimes. Lack of integrity, albeit not a crime, is of no less importance and carries no less weight.....to my way of thinking.
Suffice it to say, I will never do business with Mr. Poff nor will I ever promote his business to friends or any other members. He has clearly shown that he lacks the character which I feel necessary to do business with and the fairness and forthright behavior I expect in any human being no matter what his lot in life may be or might have been. These current matters and/or issues coupled with his obvious history of such shady dealings should make anyone more than a bit leery of doing business with Mr. Poff. To act otherwise would seem foolish, but then again, something about "a fool is born...............".
Feeling sorry for someone who has done everything possible to make matters right makes perfect sense and I would applaud those that have worked together to satisfy that which needed resolution. It is painfully obvious that it would have taken only a phone call or email to clarify most matters that have been discussed in this thread and others. Last I checked, sending emails was free, so even if funds were/are a problem (which really isn't a buyer's problem, no matter what), this could easily have been accomplished, without costing him a penny. We're talking months of no communications between he and his customers........paid customers.
It is human to want to forget and to forgive. The problem lies not in the forgetting or forgiving, but in who we allow ourselves to forget and forgive. Those who have received such "gifts" on numerous occasions and continue to commit these same crimes, they are "users" and will not change as long as they can benefit from our continuing to enable them. Unfortunately, that's exactly what we are doing.....enabling them. Worst of all, we then are setting up other members to be potential customers/victims of Mr. Poff which I'm sure isn't in any of our best interest. So yes, we have a community interest and responsibility to air this subject and it is good and fair that it is being discussed here and openly. To do otherwise would serve Mr. Poff and as far as I can tell, Mr. Poff only cares about Mr. Poff and his best interests are quite obvious. I know that telling Mr. Poff to keep the $ and just return the items sounds well intended, but it only furthers his belief that he can "get-over' on others at will. This offer really only emboldens Mr. Poff and his beliefs and lifestyle and in the long run (perhaps, not so long), places all of us and others more in harm's way. Stealing, lying and fraud is not OK.....no matter who and why they're doing it.
There are too many skilled forum members to take chances on those we know have "issues". Being a "bad businessman" or making bad choices are self-inflicted for the most part. To want to place even a little bit of the blame for one's own obvious failings on those who have extended themselves in an attempt to help.........totally selfish, disrespectful, childish and cowardly..........at best.
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Just the dangers with dealing with the unknown on cyberspace on the world wide web. I'm glad I never sent any of my custom knives valued over couple hundreds to this person. I think I may just stick with local vendors in my hometown and buy from people who have pre paid sheaths.
There really is no good excuse for taking or withholding people's money and property.
If your Dad got bashed on the head by a mugger, would it make any difference to you whether the perp. did it
because he needed to buy crack or food for his kids?
Return all property that is not yours NOW and get on a payment plan with everyone you owe. DO THE RIGHT THING.
If your Dad got bashed on the head by a mugger, would it make any difference to you whether the perp. did it
because he needed to buy crack or food for his kids?
Return all property that is not yours NOW and get on a payment plan with everyone you owe. DO THE RIGHT THING.
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Sure doesn't look like he's busy building sheaths -- from his wife's blog:
http://creativepoff.com/blog/2011/09/
Really doubting his story about his dad.......
He cashed my $70 check 5 months ago, requested a refund 3 months.......haven't got a real email from him in 4 months
http://creativepoff.com/blog/2011/09/
Really doubting his story about his dad.......
He cashed my $70 check 5 months ago, requested a refund 3 months.......haven't got a real email from him in 4 months
braillediver
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He's a lying thief.
Anyone file in Small Claims Court or contact the local police?
He has assets- make his life difficult. He deserves it.
Anyone file in Small Claims Court or contact the local police?
He has assets- make his life difficult. He deserves it.
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Disclaimer I am far from clear on your laws:That said, it may be of interest to trawl through the posting history of this person. I gather that if he has used two or more machines not all of which are located in the same state that becomes a "Federal interest computer".It may pay to consider the Feds, his ISP, and the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act.Just sayin'.
Good suggestion for many other cases of scammers, but here I think it would be largely superfluous. Given that he's accepted and cashed countless USPS money orders and then failed to deliver the promised goods/services, Mail Fraud -- pursued by reporting his activities to the Postal Inspectors -- would be the much more natural legal avenue through which to go after him.
Nueron is right. The more people who follow thru in filing claims against this scammer the better. It builds into an incontroverable case. Would you rather take the time to try to get your money or goods? or would you just rather consider your payment to Mr. Poff a donation to his Garage/Shop building fund.
Do the right thing....
https://postalinspectors.uspis.gov/forms/MailFraudComplaint.aspx
I filed a compliant a month ago. If you feel you've been wrong by this POS, then please file a compliant. The more people who file, the faster the Postal Inspectors will investigate. It doesn't take long to do and it sure beats just sitting around and doing nothing.
At least it'll make his life hell
At least it'll make his life hell
Well, that part is as obvious as reading this thread. Sitting on a pile of money he has, so far as of yet, unearned....what to do...what to doooo.....hmmmm, might as well take a beach vacation with all this excess money, right?
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The eMail that I just sent. Quite polite, no ?
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Hello,
With some apologies for the intrusion, I am writing to you to seek assistance and help on a problem I and several individuals have suffered with regards to your husband apparently and possibly deceiving us. I had the pleasure of ordering some fine work from him about a year ago now, a custom sheath for a large knife. I was looking forward to some more of the same this summer when I shipped Marion another piece. Alas, I have never heard back from him. Similar stories have ben reported here : http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/875083-Where-I-have-been.../page2. Several have filed charges of mail fraud and theft, visibly unhappy about sending goods and monies while never hearing back from the individual. I have placed numerous eMails, left messages - but to no avail. I am about to file charges as well.
All I wanted was some more of his fine work. Now all I hope for is to recover my $500 property.
I would be grateful for any help you could provide in this matter.
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Hello,
With some apologies for the intrusion, I am writing to you to seek assistance and help on a problem I and several individuals have suffered with regards to your husband apparently and possibly deceiving us. I had the pleasure of ordering some fine work from him about a year ago now, a custom sheath for a large knife. I was looking forward to some more of the same this summer when I shipped Marion another piece. Alas, I have never heard back from him. Similar stories have ben reported here : http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/875083-Where-I-have-been.../page2. Several have filed charges of mail fraud and theft, visibly unhappy about sending goods and monies while never hearing back from the individual. I have placed numerous eMails, left messages - but to no avail. I am about to file charges as well.
All I wanted was some more of his fine work. Now all I hope for is to recover my $500 property.
I would be grateful for any help you could provide in this matter.
Perhaps someone whose money and/or property has been taken by Mr. Poff could start a dedicated thread here in the Feedback forum in which others who have been similarly wronged can post what money/property they're owed back. This will allow a very rough estimate* of what Mr. Poff has taken to be tabulated, which could be useful as a link for Esav to add in his sticky in the Hall of Shame, and perhaps also once the authorities get involved.
*Given that not every individual who has sent money/property to Mr. Poff and never gotten anything back will see or post in the thread, the estimate is of course likely to be on the very low end of what has actually taken place.
*Given that not every individual who has sent money/property to Mr. Poff and never gotten anything back will see or post in the thread, the estimate is of course likely to be on the very low end of what has actually taken place.