Where is KI headed??

From getting them all to now only subscribing to two. I have become disenchanted of late with all 3 glossys. Its to bad because I have about 20 years of of all the various magazines some from the start but feel now I get much better info on line. KnifeWorld and the Newsletter are all I subscribe to now.
Bob
 
Hello,

I can say KI was very helpful to BAKCA for their advertising. The ad was placed late for the 22nd annual show and was no fault of KI. The adertisment department offered more help than I expected even with a conflict with show dates. Ooppps. When I look at any knife magazine I wonder who are their sources. With new members in any magazine, newspaper and newsletter, their is a steep learning curve. I know first hand about that. After twenty to fourty hours of work a month, my wife is kind enough to proof a newsletter for me. Before I go to print it myself.

Jeff Pelz
 
KI is not only headed towards, it has been at these places since Bud left:
1. typos
2. erroneous captions under pics (wrong pics or wrong captions)
2b. captions & pics swapped
3. backwards pics (makers logos/marks backwards!)
4. thinner
5. low on substance
6. fewer articles about makers
7. waaay too many articles on older knives and lore and antiques for my tastes (that is Bruce forte)
8. pics with no clues whose knives are featured

:(

Pretty sad trend... took a big step downward and hasn't recovered much at all. I counted something like 7 big mistakes in the first Bruce Voyles issue, and this was while standing at the NOLA Guild Show and just casually perusing the issue, and quickly.

Real shame.
 
"Knives Illustrated" has gone/is going downhill, and the publisher is responsible. Just the way they let Bud Lang go shows how little class they have, and how little they care about the subject and the readers. The typos have been there a long time, before Bud left I'm afraid to say. All the knife magazines are loaded with typos, mis-captions, reversed photos, and layout mistakes. I accept some of this knowing that they are putting out a special topic magazine in an extremely competitive publishing world. They do not have the operating budget of Time, Newsweek, People or any of the other widely read mainstream magazines. I do feel it gives people on the outside that may pick up an issue the impression that knife collectors are uneducated and backwards. A lot of people seem to believe this already, and having "proof" in print doesn't help our side. I still buy them, even when they suck sometimes, because I don't want to see a time when there are none.

I wish someone in America would step up to the plate and publish an extremely nice magazine like Japan's "Knife". I can't speak for the typos, but the layout, photography, and overall quality is incredible. I've learned more from some of the pictures in their how to articles than I have from reading an entire article in some other publications. I would gladly pay $10 an issue, 6 times a year, for that kind of quality.
 
Originally posted by Paul Davidson
...All the knife magazines are loaded with typos, mis-captions, reversed photos, and layout mistakes. I accept some of this knowing that they are putting out a special topic magazine in an extremely competitive publishing world. They do not have the operating budget..

I'm just a writer. Unfortunately, I'm also a bit of a neophyte when it comes to the actual process of publishing a magazine. However, I have always been under the impression that typos, reversed photos, missing captions (yikes, how could ANY editor run a photo without a caption??) should be caught, and corrected, by the editor, production manager, proofreader, junior copywriter, nephew, etc. BEFORE the issue is put to bed. That doesn't take budget, just pride. I have edited small newsletters for greyhound rescue associations which had NO budget, to corporate video scripts for international entertainment corporations with HUGE budgets.

What they had in common was the desire to produce the best product possible within the constraints dictated by their respective budgets. I guess from the comments made in this thread, it is obvious that such a desire does not exist at KI or its publishing company.

If someone here can direct Mr. Voyle's attention to my website, I would be happy to resubmit my offer.
 
Just finished reading the first 25 posts. Wow, other than that how do you feel about it?

First, if you have a problem with Knives Illustrated, Bruce Voyles, the editing or KI, or anything else concerning me, the soapboxing and talking among yourselves you're doing in this forum is not likely to get it changed.

But here is how you can get things changed.

You got a beef with me or what I am doing, then have the guts to talk to me face to face about it. I'm not hard to find. And I will listen and consider your complaints. Web site is www.jbrucevoyles.com and there's an email link there. knivesillustrated@yahoo.com gets to me directly as well. I'm at all the major shows, I just got back from 3 days at the Guild show and NO ONE said one word about the things mentioned here, at least to my face. I'll be at the Austin show this weekend if anyone has something to say to me there.

At least get the facts right. The magazine is not any thinner now than the first day I started editing it. It's at 84-pages and has been since I started. There is a formula within the company for increasing the size based on advertising sales and the dollar cost of those ads. However we are in an industry that although KI has the largest paid circulation of any knife magazine and less-expensive advertising rates there are more people advertising in other magazines.

As a result of less advertising you may discover that within those 84 pages we are running close to the same number of feature articles as bigger magazines whose pages have lots of big ads.

There are typos in KI. True. There are mislabeled photos from time to time. It is a shortcoming we are constantly trying to improve. And as editor that is ultimately my fault. If that is the only consideration you use to subscribe to a magazine I hope you enjoy reading the New Yorker, because that's the only magazine I know that maintains a huge staff of proofreaders for typos. There's no excuse, but there is also more to a magazine than its typos.

As for the editorial direction. YEP, that's all my fault. Prior to my editorship KI was an almost all-knifemaker magazine written from a single point of view. Today when you see a push dagger in KI you might also discover the roots of where the style came from. If that is a fault then I am guilty, and will continue to be guilty.
The history that precedes a knife that has an impact on it's development is a vital part of how a knife design comes to be in my view.
Today the KI reader is able to read a variety of opinions from a wider variety of writers than ever before, including Jerry Fisk, Dan Winkler, Bernie Levine, Durwood Hollis, Sam Faldala, Rod Halverson, and soon Ken Onion. If you want to miss what writers with their backgrounds have to say over a typo or two, that's up to you.
In the past year KI was the first magazine to go into detail about powder metal mossaic damascus, or the use of hydraulic presses.
But if you are only looking at the photos are you are likely to miss those.
When I took the job at KI I took it with the understanding that I would broaden the coverage of the magazine to bring in a larger audience. In at least one measurable newsstand distribution operation that has resulted in a 9 point average increase in newsstand sales, when many other knife magazines are declining in sales or remaining the same. A nine-point jump in newsstand sales is closely akin to a World Series grand slam in the magazine business.

The reason we don't have a magazine with the printing quality of say the Japanese knife magazine is that the overseas magazines commonly sell for over $10.00 per issue. The cold hard reality is that American buyers will not pay $10.00 an issue for fancy paper.

And I learned via this forum, people have been contacting my bosses about me? Again, why not try having the guts to talk to me face to face FIRST. Anyone not getting satisfaction from me directly is expected to talk to the bosses. In looking back over this thread Dexter is the only one to my knowledge who has ever expressed any of the comments you're talking about here to me personally.

I don't expect KI and it's format and editoral content to please everyone. I do expect the courtesy of talking to me about it first. I'm sure there are those of you who miss Bud, as he was a professional journalist who did a creditable editorial job. Steve and Steve do good jobs with Blade and TK. Mark does a good job at Knife World. But it is my personal opinion that for less than the price of a factory folder everyone can subscribe to ALL the knife magazines. There's always the long shot that as a reader you might pick up a bit of information from a magazine that will make up for the cost of the subscription. The price of a magazine subscription is the price of knowledge, the alternative of knowlege-- well a magazine subscription is a pretty cheap bargain when you consider the alternative.

Where is KI headed? Well in printed copies, in paid circulation, we are already biggest. Naturally we want to stay there. We will head toward more articles about knives in all their many wonderous and delightful forms. Some old ones--absolutely. Some new ones--absolutly. Knifemakers--for sure. Factory knives, tactical knives, handmades, forged, how-to's--you bet. Other articles? Well a lot of that depends on the imput I get personally from folks like you. If you like any of those subjects, come along.
We will get bigger when we sell more ads and the dollars make it possible. That is not an editorial decision.

Thanks for the opportunity to post this response.
Bruce Voyles, Editor, Knives Illustrated Magazine
 
Bruce,I have been a loyal subscriber for yearsand will continue to be.I personally think the choices you have made by adding Fisk ,Winkler and others will only make the mag better.Keep up the good work.There is a group of people here who have way to much time on their hands and have nothing better to do than bash knifemakers and business's over stupid ****.Dave
 
Mr. Voyles,

I see this was your first post and welcome to the forum. All I can hope is that the road from here on out will have better communication and KI will keep everone who reads the magazine happy.


Jeff Pelz
 
Thank-you Mr. Voyles for the invitation to e-mail you with questions, concerns, and pats on the back. Yep, I admit that I am guilty of soap boxing, and I apologize to you for that. However, the forums are FOR soap boxing for the most part. I guess in the future if I have problems with any company/business/maker/whatever, I should contact them as well as discuss the issue with my friends here.

I like the historical aspect you are taking KI to, though as a newbie hobby maker, i did love KI for being a "maker's magazine". I love history, so the direction you are taking things is fine with me too.

Anyways, I hope that we get to hear from you more in the future here on BFC. You surely would be a welcome addition to the forums, so i extend the invitation to post more to you :)
 
Mr. Voyles. I intend to communicate with you via one of the two e-mail addresses you suggested.

I do think that perhaps you misunderstand the nature of this forum, and the nature/quality of the forumites. I believe that some forumites may occasionally send letters to the editors of the knife magazines. It is hard to tell, because so many of us use "handles" or whatever you choose to call the names we use on the forums. I doubt any group of people with which you come in contact are greater enthusiasts about knives than are the forumites here.

Saying what we feel here is rarely a matter of "guts" or the lack of it. It is discussion -- interpersonal communication about subjects in which we are interested, and hope other forumites are as well. I myself do not tend to think of magazine editors as particularly approachable folks. I see them as really busy -- even when they don't wear as many hats as you -- and likely to pay attention to a letter to the editor -- more than an e-mail rant or complaint. As you probably recall, you were just inducted into the ABS Hall of Fame. I don't do a lot of jawboning with folks like that.

If you failed to notice, this thread was begun by a prominent knife maker, who contributes greatly to these forums, and to Knife Forums as well. The significant number of replies to this thread demonstrates that a goodly number of forumites are interested in the quality of your magazine. If that doesn't raise any blips on your radar screen, so be it. Something prompted you to post a response, or was it just to bluster a bit?

As I said, I intend to write something specific about the quality of your magazine via e-mail. Some of it will be complimentary, some won't. I am hopeful that you give equal weight to both varieties in that, and here. I need to review a couple issues so am sure to be able to speak accurately.

Hope we see you around here again.
 
Mr.Voyles

I echo much of what Bugs3x has stated

First off, I congratulate you Mr. Voyles on increasing the circulation numbers for KI, that bodes well for both your magazine and our hobby.

My main interest is custom knives and KI has always had good coverage of that aspect of the hobby. I applaud Knives Illustrated for that.

Let me be frank with you, I find the proof reading of you publication very substandard and it bothers me. The change has been dramatic since the change in editors and to me it shows a lack of effort. I have always bought your magazine at the newstand and when the local Tower books closed it now requires a 30 minute drive to get a copy of KI. I live in the center of a 1 million plus metro area and none of the local bookstores (Borders, Barnes and Nobles) carry your magazine and I do not find it is "worth" the drive to get. Sure I could subscribe but until some effort is put into proof reading I will not do so. I can accept the occasional error (heck, even the New England Journal of Medicine has errors), but there were a few issues where it reached the ridiculous level. Many of the authors you refer to also post here and on knifeforums on a regular basis by the way...

My suggestions are to pay a little attention to editing and to increase your newstand presence. If this is done I might actually ..subscribe!!! :)
 
No, not blustering, just explaining how if anyone has a legitimate gripe how they are mostly likely to get it resolved. I personally think before anyone starts trashing someone in public that person deserves the courtesy of a direct contact--forum or no forum.

As I said earlier, I'm not hard to find, and I would hope that no one would think I'm too busy to read an email offering a comment about KI, good or bad. And I have long since realized I am not perfect and can take valid criticism and usually try to correct what I can.
And I have been on these forums for a while under TennKnifeman, but I added my own name for these postings for obvious reasons.
I make no excuses for the typos, we try, obviously we need to try harder. We are not ignoring the problem. For some reason they always stand out more after the magazine is printed.
KI on newsstands is a never ending battle from distributors and stores that constantly consider knives and guns as politically incorrect. The fact that any gun or knife magazine is still on the newsstands anywhere is only because of the result of a ton of work by circulation directors and publishing execs in ALL the knife and gun magazines. If you want KI in your store, go to the store manager and request it--that helps us, makes the store manager aware there is a demand, and in the long run it all helps.
Again, if you have a comment or legitimate gripe about KI, me, or anything I'm involved in you can email at knivesillustrated@yahoo.com.

Now on a related theme-- but not in response to anything posted previously, but a general statement of my opinion.
I'm not saying I understand the forum concept. Maybe it is me, but just because a person has a computer and can post to a forum doesn't mean they should be posting everything that pops into their head. That's how we talk in conversation, but those words are usually not recorded and don't hang around a long time. Posting here is not private conversation, it is putting what are traditionally personal comments into an arena where hundreds of people will read it--and give it some credibility. That can damage at times.
That is one reason that magazines still thrive in this modern electronic age. Anyone can say and post anything in a forum, without any background or knowledge about what they are talking about. Sometimes they do have that background and knowledge--but it is very difficult to tell the difference for the average reader. With magazines at least the reader knows there has been some semblance of an editing process by people who are supposed to have the knowledge and experience.
It's a lot easier to toss an offhand comment into a group than it is to post something knowing that the person you are talking to can answering one-on-one, man-to-man. Personally I've always felt those kind of conversations should be done in private. There was a more civilized and courteous time in the 19th century when comments that are common within many forums such as these ended up being resolved on the field of honor. Men in those times would often think before they spoke, because they had to back it up.
Knives are tempered for strength. In my opinion postings in any forum that are tempered with thought will have more strength as well.
 
I believe you state your case very well, Bruce. I have not been at all unhappy with KI, and I shall continue to subscribe (and enjoy). For that matter, despite the fact that I am a writer by trade, I haven't noticed any typos or other errors that actually bothered me.

I think the best way to cap this exchange is writing letters to the editor for publication in KI. This seems the perfect occasion for constructive criticism.
 
Bruce Voyles,I called your editorial office because I was always able to reach Bud Lang there,and I thought it would be the same for you,or at least they could patch me thru.Instead they switched me to Steve Stillwell,executive VP,publishing,I believe,who asked me to explain to him what I wanted to talk to you about,I did and he said he would forward my complaint to you,and that you would be calling me.I was never called.That was the first of three phone calls to leave messages for you.So I guess S.Stillwell is not passing on messages?BTW, Stillwell said I had the right office for complaints,two other friends have had the same results that I had.All this took place before I had a computer.Before you start calling people names (most unprofessional)you might try to get the whole story.
 
Seems we might be going around in a circle here. Like I said earlier if you're going to do it, get the facts right.

KI is no smaller now than it was when I took the reins a year ago. It hasn't shrunk since then, even in trim size, and certainly not in paid circulation (which is up).

I subscribe to magazines because they cover people and things I care about--not because of typos. Maybe I should reconsider my criteria?

Quite honestly I don't look to BladeForums posting for imput on how KI readers feel. I do pay a lot of attention to direct communications to my by KI readers.

If you want to reach me my email is knivesillustrated@yahoo.com
I just checked, and there have been only two people since this thread began that have taken the time to email me about KI. I take their efforts and their communication very seriously, because it is clear they are interested in getting their message to me.

Whether you like it or not I am the person that will make the changes in the editorial of KI if those changes are made.

You cannot reach me at the California office, because I am in Tennessee. The editorial address is on the masthead of the magazine and at the end of my column. Incidentally the phone number for me in Tennessee is there too. If you are having difficulty reaching me try that.

Name calling? Nah. If I were calling names everyone would know it. We're all knife people here and we all treat each other with respect, honesty, and courtesy--don't we?

I'm heading out for Austin in the morning, and I'll be at the show if anyone wants to talk about any of this man to man. I may not be stretched as thin as some on this thread may have implied, but I do have other things to do.

Thanks for the posts, it has been interesting.
 
Original post:
Dave Ellis here.I tried....Been running my ad for http://www.exquisiteknives.com in KI and I think that I am through.The magazine is very dissapointing to read,typo's abound,smaller than ever.
Sorry to say but not only will I stop my ad but have no continued interest in receiving it.
Dave Ellis,ABS,M.S.
http://www.mastersmith.com

Edited for -- gasp! -- typos!
Dave Ellis here.[space?]I tried....[4 periods, not 3?]Been running my ad for http://www.exquisiteknives.com in KI and I think that I am through.[space?]The magazine is very dissapointing to read,[space?]typo's[pluralizing with apostrophe?] abound,[space?]smaller than ever.
Sorry to say but not only will I stop my ad but have no continued interest in receiving it.
Dave Ellis,ABS,M.S.
http://www.mastersmith.com


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WOW! Tom Mayo, I didn't think you could start a fire like this, not with your good nature. The thread is a bit crabby! KI? I don't buy it, don't read it, don't subscribe to it. There is a reason for that. This is how I feel about KI. I buy and read other publications, and 2 forums, I talk to makers about once a month. I am a little suprised that the management of any of the big 3 hard copy knife publications are new to forums like this.
 
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