Which Titanium Alloy?

6al4v Ti with a 72 RC Tungsten Carbide Edge... check it out!

This is my favorite combo for EDC. I like the way the combo cuts so aggressively, the knives will never rust, the edge is very durable and I never notice the knife in my pocket.

You're such a boss, Mr. Fairly. I love what you do, and your ti knives. The tungsten carbide edge on 6alv4 is indeed pretty damn amazing! In case you missed this build, it's a forged grade 23 (6al4v ELI) double-edged ti sword, with over eight feet of tungsten carbide edge! :D The carbide treatment turned the blade into a monster that will slice you open so clean you won't even notice it. The handguards are also forged 6al4v ELI.

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Here's the build thread:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...lloy-Zweihänder?highlight=zweihander+titanium

Lycosa, I still use the tiny green ti knife you sent me. :]
 
You and Daniel need to meet.
Very cool, Sam. I knew you'd use that Green. It was too cute for me to use.
And Norway dude. I concur on the Mission Ti performance. John Moore, Mission founder, told me their Beta Ti was proprietary.
 
Con-FOUND it Percival! Missed notifications on newer posts >_< I-al-most-missed a CRUSADER SWORD!

Mnnn, delicious
 
Most individual ti alloys do not have a grade number, and are made by order for specific projects requiring a metal that holds up to various ultra extremes. Some of these could be, or are, even more strong and crazy than any ti alloy with a grade number. I believe that one of these exotics that does not have several various alloying elements but only 1 or 2 beta stabilizers, hot-forged, and heat-treated for resistance to impact damage, is the one.

Mega short answer: Grade 23 alpha-beta alloy 6al4v ELI


This is still getting to me... w/e grade I choose I will choose for my accessories across the board, if I can (exceptin' the odd proprietary maybe for certain items). You think the Ti craftsman I'm approaching for buckles and such would do the funky chicken if I asked him to use that grade 23? (I just tell him grade 23, right?) Maybe it woulkdn't even be worth it if he can't do heat treats and whatnot?

Aaaand maybe you'll have a lovely cow and just tell me to use some other simpler grade >.> WHAT SAY YOU!?!?!?!?
 
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*BRAIN SURGE*

Looking through your website, you gave me this wonderful idea. Have you ever heard of a Keysmart? You're supposed to be able to fit all of your keys and other tools neatly into it, and it's very pocket/compact/bubble gum pack sized, though it can be made to handle more and more thickness. Some of your tools with keychain holes (maybe) could fit right into that sucker, and people could have all kinds of things from you literally in their pocket, or at least request thinner variations to do so(?)

Plus, the Keysmart is available in Ti as well! One big happy Ti family. Talk about EDC ~


Oh, Danny Boooyyy, the knives, the KNIVES are caaallin'!
 
Alex- I';; get you the MPF pix tonight.
I had it so bad that I asked Reese Weiland to make me a Ti blade for my CQC7 and he did. He Blacked the Ti, btw. I'll have a pic of the Ti 7 with the Mission.
rolf
 
K,

Why is it my quotes don't look like quotes and my pics don't look like pics? I must be doing something wrong >.>
 
This is still getting to me... w/e grade I choose I will choose for my accessories across the board, if I can (exceptin' the odd proprietary maybe for certain items). You think the Ti craftsman I'm approaching for buckles and such would do the funky chicken if I asked him to use that grade 23? (I just tell him grade 23, right?) Maybe it woulkdn't even be worth it if he can't do heat treats and whatnot?

Aaaand maybe you'll have a lovely cow and just tell me to use some other simpler grade >.> WHAT SAY YOU!?!?!?!?

All of the titanium alloys are just ludicrously strong for a belt buckle. Probably use grade 5 because it's the most well-known and readily available. No heat treatment necessary, and can be worked with most normal fabrication methods.
 
Hmmnnn, so compared to Grade 4 it's literally just... stronger, more impact resistant?
 
Hmmnnn, so compared to Grade 4 it's literally just... stronger, more impact resistant?

Very much so. Grade 4 is pure-ish titanium. Grade 5 is 10% alloying elements: 6% aluminum (alpha stabilizer) and 4% vanadium (beta stabilizer). It's pretty much like the difference between plain iron, and alloyed carbon steel.
 
Curious ~ how would you compare Grade... anything Ti to CPM-3V/10V?

Probably like this ?

Very much so. Grade 4 is pure-ish titanium. Grade 5 is 10% alloying elements: 6% aluminum (alpha stabilizer) and 4% vanadium (beta stabilizer). It's pretty much like the difference between plain iron, and alloyed carbon steel.
 
Uhhhhh okay, so Alloyed Ti is iron and 3V is the A.C.S.? You think Crucible is that much better? I mean I have a ZT0100, and it is some kind of lovely...

Haven't had one in Ti yet, so I couldn't say for sure, certainly not from experience.
 
Well, I think to compare steel VS titanium when we talk about knives is not good idea :)
 
Curious ~ how would you compare Grade... anything Ti to CPM-3V/10V?


They don't compare at all, they are in completely different worlds. They both happen to be able to make high performance blades, but for different reasons and different sorts of performance. Though there is some overlap in, say, they're both tough against fracturing. But it really is pointless and the two blades will be as different in action as a fighter jet and the moon capsule.

What I was saying was, the difference between pure titanium and the alloy 6al4v, is as vast as the difference between plain iron and alloyed steel. In both cases, the alloying elements are heavily altering the base metal's properties and making it heat-treatable, which means you can try to optimize it for a blade.

Rilner, you should go back in this thread and read that link I posted about just the basics of titanium alloys and metallurgy, and you'll get an idea about how different ti alloys are from the other big families of alloys. :)
 
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Absolutely.

In fairness, I wanted:

A) To keep this thread goping as long as possible, because I feel like it, and

B) To have certain questions and answers, comparisons posted here so that people searching for information along these lines are more likely to visit this thread and find aaaall the lovely learning material. I've lost count of how many times I've tried searching for something and was always brought in the end to BF. Even if I didn't quite get my answer that way, this is so often the closest; usually, I end up learning something either way that I may not have been looking for, but is worthwhile nonetheless.

Alright, key words:

Titanium Ti Grade 1 2 3 4 5 23 CPM-3V CPM-10V Crucible Metallurgy Process Particles Mecha Rolf Sam Alex Rilner Compare Hatchet Axe Knife Stonewash Sandblast Satin Finish Alloy Steel Hard Soft Edge Profile Love Happiness Satisfaction Pure Commercial Commercially Pure-ish Basic Aerospace Module Superman Captain Marvel Shazam Batman Green Lantern Wonder Woman Martian Manhunter Hawk Girl Impact Resistance Absorb Absorption Thread Basics 6AL4V Tough Toughness Fracture Fracturing Micro Compare Lycosa Lightning Thunder Captain Hook And Peter Pan Prepare To Meet Thy Doom Dark And Sinister Man Have At Thee Link High Performance Metal Metals Always


There - tag that, Google.
 
Rilner- Get yourself a Ti blade asap and I'll meet you on the battlefield with Sam.
 
Absolutely.

In fairness, I wanted:

A) To keep this thread goping as long as possible, because I feel like it, and

B) To have certain questions and answers, comparisons posted here so that people searching for information along these lines are more likely to visit this thread and find aaaall the lovely learning material. I've lost count of how many times I've tried searching for something and was always brought in the end to BF. Even if I didn't quite get my answer that way, this is so often the closest; usually, I end up learning something either way that I may not have been looking for, but is worthwhile nonetheless.

Alright, key words:

Titanium Ti Grade 1 2 3 4 5 23 CPM-3V CPM-10V Crucible Metallurgy Process Particles Mecha Rolf Sam Alex Rilner Compare Hatchet Axe Knife Stonewash Sandblast Satin Finish Alloy Steel Hard Soft Edge Profile Love Happiness Satisfaction Pure Commercial Commercially Pure-ish Basic Aerospace Module Superman Captain Marvel Shazam Batman Green Lantern Wonder Woman Martian Manhunter Hawk Girl Impact Resistance Absorb Absorption Thread Basics 6AL4V Tough Toughness Fracture Fracturing Micro Compare Lycosa Lightning Thunder Captain Hook And Peter Pan Prepare To Meet Thy Doom Dark And Sinister Man Have At Thee Link High Performance Metal Metals Always


There - tag that, Google.

So you've not been sent here just to torment me? Glad to see there's a madness to your method, Rilner. :D

Seeya on the battlefield with Lycosa.
 
Ja, ja mein kamaraden! On, to BATTLE! O_O

Don't worry Sam, I thought the tormenting and occassional emasculation were a given ^_^
 
That they are! Thanks for the keyword bump. :D:thumbup:
 
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