Who has an EDC for sheeple friendly carry, and one for who cares?

Pericles, if it is legal for you to open carry a 12" Bowie knife, then I will not consider that you "asserted an imbalance of power in your advantage" should you sidle up to me at the supermarket whilst open carrying such an item. I owe it to myself, my constituents, and to YOU to know the law of the land, the lay of the land, and just what is LEGAL and therefore perfectly acceptable at the supermarket.... even if it is not perfectly acceptable to YOU.

Don't lecture me. I am neither disingenuous nor misunderstanding.
 
oh come on... Rule #9 please. and if you do not know the reference... my OH my...
Bench-made Griptilian, Leeks of various flavors ZT's along with other CRKT's and Kershaw's all find there way into my EDC.
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I also take exception to the term "sheeple." Let's please give it a rest.

It's not unreasonable for a non-knife person to see a large, aggressively styled knife and think "weapon", particularly if they don't know the person holding it. Even within the knife community, there is far from universal acceptance of the notion that our knives are merely useful tools for peaceful purposes. Many of the threads here on BF discuss the "tactical" and self-defense capabilities of knives; in other words, their capacity to function as weapons.

If you whip out an Emerson Combat Bowie or a Benchmade Bedlam in a public setting, you should expect to upset some people (and, to be honest, that was probably your intent). Regular people, not mindless, ovine drones. Attenuating your behavior to the social setting you are in doesn't denigrate your man- or womanhood, it just means that you are consenting to function as a dues-paying member of the society you live in and from which you benefit. Likewise, if you park your Hummer in two spaces, fart in an elevator, or eat an egg salad sandwich on a packed subway, you're not asserting your god-given liberty, you're being a jerk. Not that you're a jerk, OP, I don't know you.

To answer your question, OP, yes. I live in a major city and I always carry a knife here, usually a locking folder, as well as a multitool (LM PS4) and usually a backup (SAK Pioneer). Our knife laws are somewhat vague, but I am not overly concerned with what the police think of my knife, as we don't have much to talk about generally.

But I do give consideration to the setting I'm in. For example, I feel comfortable carrying my UKPK at school, and the few times I've klacked it open no one has batted an eye (most of the people in my program are in the trades, and are probably not representative of the greater student body). The UKPK is probably my least "threatening" folder apart from a SAK.

At work I feel I have more leeway, and will usually carry my Mini Grip or Sage 5. Both are kind of goofy-looking and not at all "tactical." I still try to use them discreetly.

If I'm carrying my ZT0450, I better know everyone, because it screams "dangerous switchblade," not "benign cheese slicer." An unfair characterization, I think, but one that I am aware of and sensitive to.

In most cases, I also have my SAK Pioneer in my back pocket. This I don't mind whipping out at a restaurant to cut my steak (hate those god-awful serrated chainsaws they give you, no better way to ruin a good piece of meat).

I can't bring any of my tools, even a LM Squirt, into a ballgame. I don't like it, but that's what it is.

It seems like you already have the solution to your problem: you said you carry a backup, so if that is a SAK or traditional then you're set for whichever situation you find yourself in.

Common sense and common courtesy: don't wear ratty sneakers to the symphony, don't wear a ten-gallon hat to the movies, and don't whip out your XL Espada at the PTA meeting.

And stop saying "sheeple."

Did you mean ZT 0452? The 450 is really not that big a blade.
 
You can use whatever words you want, just like we can look at your use of certain words and judge you for it. If you feel like using that particular word go right ahead, but don't be surprised if you catch some flak for it because it's an inflammatory and derogatory slur of a word.

My use of the word is not intended to be derogatory, it was a short form for what I expanded on. If someone wants to take offense I cannot help it. People take offense at almost anything these days. You cannot avoid offending everyone, it becomes self censorship.
 
Why should I or anyone assume that a stranger with a knife has good intentions? Why are large knives necessary to open a letter or perform a small cutting task? Try using a little Case knife, SAK, or other traditional slipjoint and see if you get the same response.
Why should you assume they have bad intentions? Do you assume this with the thousands of car drivers you encounter every day? Do you assume the worst from the cook at a restaurant?
 
My use of the word is not intended to be derogatory, it was a short form for what I expanded on. If someone wants to take offense I cannot help it. People take offense at almost anything these days. You cannot avoid offending everyone, it becomes self censorship.

The thing is, it's really, really easy to just not use a word you know may cause issues. Self-censorship is a very healthy practice that everybody should partake in, it's never a bad thing to think about the potential consequences of what you're about to say.

Do you assume this with the thousands of car drivers you encounter every day?

Yep, most definitely. I assume everybody on the road is not paying attention, it's way safer that way.
 
The thing is, it's really, really easy to just not use a word you know may cause issues.

So you assume that I knew that others considered "sheeple" as offensive? I did not and never considered that it could be construed that way.
 
Did you mean ZT 0452? The 450 is really not that big a blade.
No, I meant 0450. I have bigger, meaner looking flippers, but I generally carry something in about that size. I just mean that the 0450 has a more aggressive appearance than some of my other carries, and that fact limits where and when I consider it acceptable, given my other options. That, and the thick grind, limits its carry time. Still love it though.

.... even if it is not perfectly acceptable to YOU.
It doesn't bother me, personally. The point I am trying to make is that ...
what is LEGAL and therefore perfectly acceptable
what is legal is not necessarily what is "acceptable" depending on...
the lay of the land
Obviously this varies greatly according to where we live and who we associate with.
If you don't know the lay, or the law, of the land, you should err on the side of discretion, at least.
Don't lecture me
Didn't intend to, but you quoted me and kinda called me "sheeple," so.

My use of the word is not intended to be derogatory
Equating humans with livestock is not derogatory? A good rule of thumb is, if you only say it when you think they're not around, it is derogatory, and meant as such.

My point is: don't fake indignation when you know very well why others disapprove of your behavior. We don't need to flaunt our folders, flourish our fixies, brandish our balisongs, or gab about our glocks in public. If you insist on exhibiting perfectly legal, yet obviously antisocial behavior, don't expect rose petals strewn about your feet.
Like I said: common sense, common courtesy.

Gotta go, band's about to go on. I'll type at you nerds later.
 
The other day, I bought some EVA foam matting at the mall.
I used my Medford Marauder to cut it in half, so it would fit into the bag easier. I was carrying that knife (with a 4.25 inch blade) because it was rather new, and I wanted to.

Meanwhile, as I was cutting the mat, a security guard walked right on by...and did not care.
When I used the same knife the next day to cut something (I forget what), and some woman was nearby, she didn't care either.

This is all while in a city, in retail areas, the places people whine are filled with "sheeple", and we need to be "careful of what we do."

I think some of y'all are doing it wrong, because no one gives a crap when I'm using my knives.
And I am not carrying tiny knives, not am I hiding...of course, I also am not pulling them out for no reason.
I am using them as tools, which might be why other people seem to view them as tools when I am using them. ;)
 
So you assume that I knew that others considered "sheeple" as offensive? I did not and never considered that it could be construed that way.

Simple common sense and a knowledge of what the word means is more than enough info to understand why one may take that word in a negative way, hopefully you can learn from this thread to be more careful in your choice of names to call people.
 
The other day, I bought some EVA foam matting at the mall.
I used my Medford Marauder to cut it in half, so it would fit into the bag easier. I was carrying that knife (with a 4.25 inch blade) because it was rather new, and I wanted to.

Meanwhile, as I was cutting the mat, a security guard walked right on by...and did not care.
When I used the same knife the next day to cut something (I forget what), and some woman was nearby, she didn't care either.

This is all while in a city, in retail areas, the places people whine are filled with "sheeple", and we need to be "careful of what we do."

I think some of y'all are doing it wrong, because no one gives a crap when I'm using my knives.
And I am not carrying tiny knives, not am I hiding...of course, I also am not pulling them out for no reason.
I am using them as tools, which might be why other people seem to view them as tools when I am using them. ;)
I agree with this point of view.
 
Simple common sense and a knowledge of what the word means is more than enough info to understand why one may take that word in a negative way, hopefully you can learn from this thread to be more careful in your choice of names to call people.
Is this morally correct, politically correct, or much ado about nothing? Sheeple? Really?
 
Where I live you can carry a knife for a good reason. A puukko is standard if you have coverals and look like a construction worker. Everything else is frowned at and may cause trouble, exept when hiking, picnic etc. The police dont bother you if you dont act stupid.

I prefer deep pocket carry. SAK is my normal use knife, anything else stays out of sight. No clips to show, statick cord/small fixed blades or folder in a pocket holster. Be smart and avoid trouble.
 
The other day, I bought some EVA foam matting at the mall.
I used my Medford Marauder to cut it in half, so it would fit into the bag easier. I was carrying that knife (with a 4.25 inch blade) because it was rather new, and I wanted to.

Meanwhile, as I was cutting the mat, a security guard walked right on by...and did not care.
When I used the same knife the next day to cut something (I forget what), and some woman was nearby, she didn't care either.

This is all while in a city, in retail areas, the places people whine are filled with "sheeple", and we need to be "careful of what we do."

I think some of y'all are doing it wrong, because no one gives a crap when I'm using my knives.
And I am not carrying tiny knives, not am I hiding...of course, I also am not pulling them out for no reason.
I am using them as tools, which might be why other people seem to view them as tools when I am using them. ;)

Exactly, because in the real world, 99% of people dont care. Realistically, most people you pass each day don't even acknowledge your existence. But everyone has to make a political statement so they make up cute little terms like "sheeple". If you do encounter that 1% that actually cares you have the option of ignoring them, if you can't, it shows some insecurity on your part. If you act like it's not a big deal it's not a big deal. If you go to the movie theater with a katana and a hockey mask don't be surprised if someone takes that the wrong way.
 
Where I live carrying is an automatic felony and the only defense the cops will accept is if you can prove that your line of work (or planned activities) require one. Because of that I always put my folder in a box or bag that contains other tools, like my multitool and screwdrivers.

And even then, some people just get intimidated by a folder regardless of where it is used or how it is used. Case in point, i am an IT support worker and I often visit datacenters to install new hardware or perform some configuration on servers and networking hardware. There was this one time two months ago where I installed a new server and wondering why the heck i had no access to the other devices in the datacenter. Turns out that the network guys patched the connection from the firewall to my server wrongly and thus all my communication was blocked. They didn't want reconfigure the ports because it was too much trouble, so I had to cut the zipties holding the patch cables and repatch them correctly. Took out my Gerber Index (fairly large 3.3" blade) and proceeded to make short work of the ziptie, and then one of the network engineers was all "Holy shit, your knife is big enough to kill a man! Are you some kind of terrorist?"

Nowadays the Gerber Index is replaced by a SanRenMu 7023 when I go to that particular datacenter.
 
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We've dealt with the term "sheeple" elsewhere at some length and it probably should be confined to its own thread, but that's a decision for the Mods in charge here, so I won't go off on a rant. The term is a shorthand for a certain attitude many people have and if the term is applied fairly it's not really an insult but a description of mindless fear of knives and blindly following the demonization of all knives and knife knuts. That doesn't mean everyone carrying or deploying a knife is a saint and everyone worried is an imbecile. But there are so many who overreact to an appropriate use of a knife that a word has been coined for it. It's a real phenomenon and IMHO a fair usage, when properly applied.
I almost always carry and I do choose the appropriate looking knife for the occasion. I'm in and out of Courts and offices a fair bit. Lawyers generally don't go through the metal checks but carrying a huge "tactical" serrated folder ( serrations seem to scare people) is going to cause concerns nonetheless. In such cases when I don't have to forego anything larger than a keychain knife I'll take something that looks dressy and civilian like a small fancy Sebenza or a damascus dresser. That seldom causes a problem, especially if you are matter of fact and low key in how you use it. But sometimes... We all have our stories.
 
We've dealt with the term "sheeple" elsewhere at some length and it probably should be confined to its own thread, but that's a decision for the Mods in charge here, so I won't go off on a rant. The term is a shorthand for a certain attitude many people have and if the term is applied fairly it's not really an insult but a description of mindless fear of knives and blindly following the demonization of all knives and knife knuts. That doesn't mean everyone carrying or deploying a knife is a saint and everyone worried is an imbecile. But there are so many who overreact to an appropriate use of a knife that a word has been coined for it. It's a real phenomenon and IMHO a fair usage, when properly applied.

Well put, HJK. I'm going to leave it at that. And you're right... we all have our stories... and the hits just keep on a-comin'.
 
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What's funny is that most "sheeple" probably think we are the sheeple being led by the knife (or gun, or whatever) industry to buy a bunch of stuff we don't need.
 
I don't have a knife for friendly carry, I carry based on my needs.
This is what I carry everyday along with a Skeletool when needed and I've never had a bad reaction to either one. The Lion Steel is a two hand opener and I open the Ritter Mini by just rolling it open quietly. I believe a lot of the bad reactions people get has as much to do with the user as the knife being used.

Once upon a time people opened a knife and used it. These days people say they whip out and deploy their knife with a resounding clank. Then they wonder why they get reactions. DAH. You got a reaction because you wanted one.
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