Who Wants The "native Chief?"

Should Spyderco Make the "Native Chief?"

  • Yes--it's the design that counts! FRN and Endura spec quality is fine.

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  • Yes, but I'm a steel snob and a handle junkie--make it $$$$ or not at all.

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  • No, and Karl, please do not share any more of your wet knife dreams with us again!

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"Plus Size Native?" :D

Okay, away from the differently bodied fashion industry!

Seriously,

"American Native."

Karl
 
I guess there is still interest. Ergos are good on the larger model. I'll speak with Jeff (Spyderco's VP) to see if he can fit in a batch. Color of G10, steel and name would be a question. Maybe a contest as suggested might be fun and prove beneficial.

sal
 
Yes!
Thank you , Sal! I know it's way, way too early to ask, but, when??:D :D

-SB
 
Classic black on the handles and ats-55 or better for steel, sounds great to me.
I truly think a 4" Native is going to be superb.

Thanks,
Ken
 
Practical black and one of the wonder steels, please.
Why not continue with 440V?

I would hate to miss this.
Could I get on a mailing list or preorder?
I would gladly pay in advance 'cause I have the money now.

Native Talent
 
I'd prefer it to be G10 and S30V, but if I had to i'd take FRN and 420HC! God that knife looked sexy!
 
I'll buy one if its made.
Would preffer G-10 scales, with thin liners, but would settle for an FRN handled version.
Totally a cool idea... and would be a good MBC blade, IMO.

How about calling it "Native Power", bigger, stronger, more powerful native... and shouldnt be looked at as putting anyone down. :rolleyes: Heck, I know native americans who would have gotten a hoot outta native cheif, but oh well, with the Native Power bumper stickers they own, a "native power" knife might end up appealing to a real wide range of people. :)

Make it! Pleeeeeaaasssee!!!
 
In an earlier post I had mentioned thin steel liners; it seemed too much to hope for.
However, now that several people have mentioned it, I would like to see steel liners in the new, larger Native.
I think the original Native should stay exactly the same, but steel liners seem very appropriate for the new Native.

Either way, I want one.

Native Talent
 
Thin steel liners? Well, that WOULD be nice, wouldn't it? :) Perhaps too much to hope for, though. Maybe just thicker G10 slabs?

"ABB" would be my color choice, with blue, olive, or maroon being (in order) my top choices. That's assuming you couldn't do a "red white and blue" G10 mix of some sort!

Ooooooooooo, RED WHITE AND BLUE would be PERFECT.

But black would work!

I think the most important feature to me would be a smaller lockbar opening with a Boye Dent, to absolutely prevent inadvertant unlocking. With a ~4" blade, this one will often do duty as "possible personal protection."

Is it too much to consider making it an MBC blade? Whatever that entails...don't know.

Steel shouldn't be loss-leader, but shouldn't be too expensive either. AUS-8 or GIN-1 minimum, with good ol' CPM 440V my top steel of choice.

My choice of names:

"American Native" or "Native American."

Perhaps some sort of special blade etch, as well.

Other than that, try to keep the list price below $150. :(

And Sal--Thanks for considering this!! :D

Karl
 
Karl mentioned "ABB" in reference to color and "MBC" in reference to the blade.
I don't recognize those terms.

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As much as I like my own entry, Native Talent, I sure like Karl's Native American.

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Karl has said in other threads that he has inadvertently opened a conventional lockback and so prefers the Boye dent.
I still have difficulty imagining that happening.
I file "inadvertent opening" of a lockback with "1911 pinch;" it must have happened to somebody or I wouldn't keep hearing about it.
Regardless, the Boye dent has a nice detail look to it, and the present Native has the dent, and I favor staying as close to the present Native as possible.

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In keeping with staying as close to the original as possible, I also favor 440V as the steel.
I think of 440V as real "Tommy Tommorow" stuff, in a positive way.
My present Native has the old GIN-1 steel blade and has held up well over the years.
Still I have thought of buying a new Native mostly for the 440V steel blade, but also because of the black clip on the most recent Native.

I would like the same ambidextrous black clip on the New Native as on the current Native, because I carry in so many different ways depending on my clothing.
I like the way my Native quietly and unassumingly disappears even when I put it in the chest pocket of my overalls.
Additionally, I sometimes give my Native to my wife to carry for various reasons, and I can switch it from left-handed for me to right-handed for her in 30 seconds.
The black clip would make it a little more "quiet;" which I think especially matters as this knife moves up in size and becomes more formidable.

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As much as I like the idea of thin steel liners, I also like the idea of the New Native staying as close to the Original as possible, except for blade length, and I can see all of these little "improvements" turning the New Native into a new knife altogether.

Looking at the picture of the New Native as posted in this thread, I think the steel liners would work, especially given the new rivet/screw pattern used for the G10 scales.
G10 bonded to steel liners would make for a very strong and rigid handle, quite in keeping with the new size and capabilities of the New Native.

So configured with steel liners, and retaining the original ergonomics, this knife could take on legendary status; especially if it remained within the price reach of the average working man.

Native Talent
 
Hey Ken!

"ABB"= anything but black

"MBC"= martial blade craft

Sorry 'bout that. :)

As for the smaller lockbar notch and Boye Dent, it is to help prevent pressing in on the lockbar when in full hammer grip, which happens to me. No, it hasn't accidentily closed (unlocked) yet, but it is disconcerting.

Actually, my preference for steel would be GIN-1, since my first Native is that type, and it's my favorite. Plus, this cheaper steel would keep the cost down a bit, and perhaps allow some "thin steel liners."

Black clip with black G10, definitely!

Perhaps also with any other colors, even though the blue clip is matched pretty well with my Blue Native, a plain black clip might keep costs down. Heck, silver clip to keep costs down; those who are interested could swap later...

Nice comments, Ken. Thanks!

Karl
 
Woohaa, Sal's considering it.
Just dropping in my post to add to the numbers interested.

What's all this coloured FRN talk ???? Away with you you soft handed heathens:p

This is a big no nonsence knife and deserves a handle to match. Plain black G10 all the way :D
 
Karl has to explain everything to me. :)

What does "martial blade craft" mean?
 
MBC is a term for the knives Spyderco designs for personal protection. The knives are tested in house on a machine. The lock must be able to withstand at least 200 lb. of force per blade inch without failing. The Chinook, Gunting, and L'il Temperance fall into this category.
 
Making this an MBC oriented model is an outstanding move! Dual steel liners and a premium steel for the blade would be a dream come true.
 
Slow down, heart.

Original ergonimics and blade shape

lock-back and reversible clip

4" blade

MBC

Steel liners

440V or some other CPM super stainless steel

Too much, but yes, please, thank you, take my credit card and do with it what you will.

Some people will hate this new Native because it makes their present super custom deluxe extra special tactical EDC megabuck folder completely inadequate and irrelevant.

I can live with that.

Native Talent
 
I did not want this thread to die!

Ken: Once again you have read my mind! THAT'S the Native Grande I would buy!

-SB

Come on lurkers, vote!
 
At this time, 85% of voters are in favor of a "large Native."

I'm sure Sal & Co. have all sorts of stuff going on, but it is very positive he appeared here and indicated this model could be more of a "probability" than just a "wet dream" of mine.

Perhaps Sal can comment on a time frame for this to happen? When might we see a "contest" for a proper name and/or materials?

What, from a knife manufacturer's POV, are the "givens" for this particular model? I'm assuming it will be G10 scaled and have the ergos and look of the prototype we've seen the picture of. Are the thin steel liners "do-able?"

In the meantime, all you who are wishing for this model keep this thread going with ideas and comments and such!

Handle material and color?

Blade steel?

Thin steel liners or no?

Name?


My choices: Blue G10 with steel liners, 440V, "American Native." Could this sell for under $150 MSRP? (If not, then go to a less expensive steel like AUS-8 or GIN-1.) Boye Dent is a must, preferably with a slightly smaller lockbar opening to protect it from being pushed when not intended. Reversible, tip-up pocket clip.

Thanks,

Karl
 
as long as i can scrounge up some money by the time this is availible i'd be very interested in either g10 or frn scales. vg-10 would be my steel of choice, but whatever, anything better than aus-6. I think blue g-10 would be really nice, but whatever can be done. oh yeah, ivory micarta sounds elegant, but it might be cost prohibative, i dunno.

- Pete
 
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