Who Will Die First when SHTF

I don't think she's too far off.
Anyone who has worked in emergency services soon learns that the system is very fragile and not designed to help lots of people at once.
Maybe she just likes sunglasses.
I don't find that she talks funny. Institutionalized ?? WTF ?
 
I've read all the replies just as a way to get to know the people I am sharing my time with a little better.

I saw a few little lights shining out there. If I should live through the initial splatter, I hope to be able to continue just as I do today. To help others in need and give what I can spare.

I am a tad fatalistic; what happens to happen is gonna happen. I have no reliable way to predict what that will be. The things I enjoy are life sustaining; creating, building, working, direct participation in nature, and the food chain. I want to do all my hiking, hunting, fishing, camping before it becomes compulsory and everybody's doing it:D.

dying is not so bad; just ask someone who's done it. They all seem to have a new outlook on life. The time to live is right now. Tomorrow? we will see.
 
So....do you wear sunglasses indoors too?

No, but i do wear a tinfoil hat.......

that was a joke. No i want to live.Im more of a realist. I personaly dont think that anything is gonna go to crap in our life time as in we need to head to the woods,and hide. I just dont. There are to many people in America that won't do anything. I know because I use to preech and say "we need to revolt we need to fight", but then I look at all the past patriots who actually did do sumthing. They were labled as Home grown terroist. People in america dont have the balls to stand up and fight our gov. We have already givin up alot. freedom, money, power. They have taken our 2A rights to. were being invaded by illigals, scared into submission by MOOSLIM terrorists, and being enslaved by our gov. So you actually think that we"AMERICANS" are actually gonna do anything other than BI*CH?
Hey you know who else did that and didnt do anything about it and were all lead to there deaths? Ill give Ya'll a HInt. Look into your history books and look up the dates 1942-1945! read it look who was in power, and look what happen to a whole race of people. Thast all for now. I dont want to get into a virtual message board name calling fight. If you want you can but it dont bother me. If there is any Testicular fortitude left in Red blooded Americans then you need to standup and fight the oppression!
 
While not TEOTWAWKI- for most of us SHTF preperations lean more towards temprary natural distasters, huricanes, tornados, ice storms and blizzards. - Those that die first, are the ones who fail to see it coming, their homes are not prepared and they have no supplies to deal with the temporary immobilization and loss of services. Something to always keep on hand is 2 weeks worth of critical prescription meds.

As far as currency, if the financial umbrella is gone. Keep your silver and gold. Pain releivers, meds in general, soap, medical supplies, clothing, single shot shotgun and shells(defense or food gathering), water purification tools/supplies, 22 rimfire ammo, buckets, tarps, fire making implements...... these are the sorts of things that will be valuable in barter. And if the situation never arises, these things are useful to have anyway.
2Door
 
In a "SHTF" thing. THeres gonna be alt of people to die. In my opinion, the people who are gonna die first arent the "hippies" but the retards that come on message boards talkin about how they got all this gear showin there guns. Well i personaly think there the ones who are gonna die first. because there gonna run outside like rambo and bam, There gonna show there stuff and people are gonna come take there stuff. there gonna get a few people but 1 person cant take a whole company of people who are desperate. me im gonna hide, and thats why i dont talk about what i have. Yall shouldnt either.
its called security for a reason.


I'm hiding already. You people don't even know where Mom's basement is, anyhow. I typed this post under the covers, by flashlight.
 
No, but i do wear a tinfoil hat.......

that was a joke. No i want to live.Im more of a realist. I personaly dont think that anything is gonna go to crap in our life time as in we need to head to the woods,and hide. I just dont. There are to many people in America that won't do anything. I know because I use to preech and say "we need to revolt we need to fight", but then I look at all the past patriots who actually did do sumthing. They were labled as Home grown terroist. People in america dont have the balls to stand up and fight our gov. We have already givin up alot. freedom, money, power. They have taken our 2A rights to. were being invaded by illigals, scared into submission by MOOSLIM terrorists, and being enslaved by our gov. So you actually think that we"AMERICANS" are actually gonna do anything other than BI*CH?
Hey you know who else did that and didnt do anything about it and were all lead to there deaths? Ill give Ya'll a HInt. Look into your history books and look up the dates 1942-1945! read it look who was in power, and look what happen to a whole race of people. Thast all for now. I dont want to get into a virtual message board name calling fight. If you want you can but it dont bother me. If there is any Testicular fortitude left in Red blooded Americans then you need to standup and fight the oppression!

This is a political rant. It belongs in the political subforum, not in W&SS.

Thanks.
 
No, but i do wear a tinfoil hat.......

that was a joke. No i want to live.Im more of a realist. I personaly dont think that anything is gonna go to crap in our life time as in we need to head to the woods,and hide. I just dont. There are to many people in America that won't do anything. I know because I use to preech and say "we need to revolt we need to fight", but then I look at all the past patriots who actually did do sumthing. They were labled as Home grown terroist. People in america dont have the balls to stand up and fight our gov. We have already givin up alot. freedom, money, power. They have taken our 2A rights to. were being invaded by illigals, scared into submission by MOOSLIM terrorists, and being enslaved by our gov. So you actually think that we"AMERICANS" are actually gonna do anything other than BI*CH?
Hey you know who else did that and didnt do anything about it and were all lead to there deaths? Ill give Ya'll a HInt. Look into your history books and look up the dates 1942-1945! read it look who was in power, and look what happen to a whole race of people. Thast all for now. I dont want to get into a virtual message board name calling fight. If you want you can but it dont bother me. If there is any Testicular fortitude left in Red blooded Americans then you need to standup and fight the oppression!

Some years ago (2005?) I read a book called Boston's Gun Bible, by Kenneth W. Royce. A phenomenal book, worth a read if only for the dozens of pages comparing battle rifles.
In one of the closing chapters he makes a very clear distinction between true patriots, and "Patriot Lite". The latter being the ones lacking in "tesitcular fortitude".
 
While not TEOTWAWKI- for most of us SHTF preperations lean more towards temprary natural distasters, huricanes, tornados, ice storms and blizzards. - Those that die first, are the ones who fail to see it coming, their homes are not prepared and they have no supplies to deal with the temporary immobilization and loss of services. Something to always keep on hand is 2 weeks worth of critical prescription meds.

I can imagine someone that lives from paycheck to paycheck and has no stockpile of anything (food, water, meds, whatever) could be almost immediately in trouble as soon as anything bad hits.

Imagine if some well organised terrorists mounted an attack on the power system - targeting power generation, transformers and transmission lines. If they managed to do such a good job that a really large area lost power and it would take several weeks to get it restored then that would be a good example of WTSHTF, though short of a EOTWAWKI situation. In this scenario there would definitely be problems and a number of deaths. As mentioned in the vid the people that require powered devices to help them breathe would be among the first to die. But with secondary problems like gas stations having no power to pump gas the flow on effects from that would cause big problems too.

If this problem encompassed a really big area (multiple cities or even multiple states) then it would be hard to get hold of things like power generators and companies that did acquire them would probably have to post armed guards to protect them. I certainly wouldn't want to crank up a power generator at home - instant trouble magnet! All shops would be sold out of batteries within hours, having flashlights with several sets of spare batteries (prior to the S hitting the fan) would be a very good idea. The weather/climate would be a large factor in how bad the problem would be - too cold or too hot would present different problems.

If you 'bugged-in' in this scenario then you would want to keep your house dark at night (from outside view anyway) because you don't want everyone around to know you have any means of lighting that they could steal. If the water supply was still OK then that would be a huge help, but in cold weather cold baths/showers would be a right bastard! If you had a solar water heater then even luke warm 2 minute showers once a week would be a huge luxury! I think I'd be more inclined to bug-in that to bug-out as long as the neighbourhood didn't get too dangerous.

Try discussing these ideas instead of the political stuff!
 
I think that the information in the video is really of mixed quality. For every bit of insight, there is a veiled political dig, sweeping generalization, or unfounded assumption.

The information about health-related factors in a SHTF context is worthwhile. Serious health complications can make everyday life a struggle for survival, so it stands to reason that an emergency would exacerbate the situation. Still, worth thinking about and planning for (if possible).

The business about the 'neo-hippies' and 'yuppies' is less insightful and probably wildly inaccurate.

The video makes a number of unspoken assumptions about the nature of a 'crisis' - it seems that the person behind it assumes that SHTF = TEOTWAWKI, with a total breakdown of society, and fend-for-yourself consequences. This is one possible scenario among many, and certainly not the most likely. It is far more likely that crises will be of the 'localized emergency' nature or, alternatively, the sort of slow-burn social upheaval that comes with a major economic depression. In both of those situations, the ability to cooperate, organize, offer - and receive - help, and work hard will make all the difference. Is there a place in such situations for people who are focused on how many rounds of 9mm are required to take down a drug-crazed morlock? Maybe. I dunno. In a long-term context, there's definitely room for someone who knows how to effectively set up and manage an 'urban garden', though. And the more people who are doing that before a crisis, the better.

Self-sufficiency is, of course, of paramount importance. But I find the overall attitude and discourse in this sort of video to be unhelpful. I find myself wondering if the creator of the video might be a tad too invested in 'societal collapse and death waves' as a fantasy future. Hopeful pessimism? Not for me, thanks. There are people in my city who have been working on converting unused urban space into producing community gardens. I'd rather talk about survival with them.

All the best,

- Mike

That how she comes across to me. Far too many generalizations. She does have a fantasy allusion about societal collapse. I can see her remarking "Damn, those hippies shoot pretty good ! ".
 
Yeah, I haven't seen the movie either - just saying that the petrol suddenly no longer available is a bit silly, it wouldn't happen like that. You wouldn't have the tap just turned off.

With an earthquake here, this is a given!!! Powerlines will go down, and no mater if all the gas stations have full tanks, there won't be any electricity to pump it out. Water lines will break, and there will be lots of very thirsty people! Bridges will be down, so no need to even think about bugging out, etc., etc.

The local hospital put in an emergency fuel tank that looks more like an ammunition storage bunker....like yard thick walls. Hospital building also got a very serious earthquake retrofit. They have several generators, and hopefully at least some of those will survive so they can at least supply emergency care to the injured. Also, the city has its own wells (a lot of cities rely on water piped great distances), so the plan is to use generators to keep them flowing when the grid goes down. Still, the fuel cannot last indefinitely.....
 
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Patriot Nurse seems like a cool chick. Somewhat level headed. I discovered her vids when I was building FAKs.
 
While not TEOTWAWKI- for most of us SHTF preperations lean more towards temprary natural distasters, huricanes, tornados, ice storms and blizzards. - Those that die first, are the ones who fail to see it coming, their homes are not prepared and they have no supplies to deal with the temporary immobilization and loss of services. Something to always keep on hand is 2 weeks worth of critical prescription meds.

As far as currency, if the financial umbrella is gone. Keep your silver and gold. Pain releivers, meds in general, soap, medical supplies, clothing, single shot shotgun and shells(defense or food gathering), water purification tools/supplies, 22 rimfire ammo, buckets, tarps, fire making implements...... these are the sorts of things that will be valuable in barter. And if the situation never arises, these things are useful to have anyway.
2Door


If the world does come to end, I have decided to be the coffee kingpin of barter, believe it, when the poo hits the fan you want Coffee man.
:thumbup::D
 
Joezilla when he gets drunks and falls over my shelter or tent :)
 
Imagine if some well organised terrorists mounted an attack on the power system - targeting power generation, transformers and transmission lines.
You don't have to imagine that - just look at the city where I live - Christchurch, New Zealand.
4 September, 4:35am, a 7.1 mag earthquake hit us. That is the same magnitude as the Haiti quake.
80% of people from the mountains to the sea lost power. Many got it back by nightfall, most by the end of the weekend, some had no power for weeks. Farmers were particularly hard off, since they couldn't milk cows.
Most of the city's water was contaminated from broken sewerage pipes, so we had to boil our tap water (those that had tap water!) for almost a week. Lots of people were getting water from tankers and using portaloos two and three weeks after the quake.
And, to make it even more stressful, the aftershocks are still occurring (and will do so for months afterward). These are delaying rebuilding - you can't fix a building if an aftershock is going to wreck it halfway through the repairs.

As a tramper (what us Kiwis call hikers) I had lots of dehy food, gas bottles, camping stove, water purifaction tablets, water filter - the works. Ironic, since I was in one of the few streets that only lost power for a few minutes.

Without electricity, modern life is extremely difficult. No banking or ATMs or EFTPOS, so buying stuff is hard. The batteries on many cell towers ran out, so cell phone coverage was spotty. No traffic lights, combined with damaged roads, so driving was difficult (the authorities made it pretty clear - unless you really have to drive, don't!). Even now there are streets with restricted speed limits because the roads are damaged. Rubberneckers turned out to be a major hazard - blocking emergency traffic, damaging roads further and just plan -ing off residents by gawking at damaged homes and lives.

In all, it was a pretty small taste of SHTF, but an important wakeup call for lots and lots of Cantabrians.

Building on my previous point in this thread, what was very helpful was the community. Neighbours coming over and asking how you were. Offering my gas stoves to my neighbours. Lots and lots of people leaving their damaged homes and heading to community centres to help out others. People baking muffins and taking them around all the police manning the checkpoints. A bunch of university students organising via Facebook to buy shovels and go around helping clear silt. I believe community is what will get us through SHTF situations.

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nothing a fellow would not already know, if he had stopped for 30 seconds to think about it.
Basically, those first out will be those that are not self sufficient, require medication, or are grossly obese.

Remember though that the morbidly obese have well marbled meat, and likely tastier than the athletic types.
:D
 
If the world does come to end, I have decided to be the coffee kingpin of barter, believe it, when the poo hits the fan you want Coffee man.
:thumbup::D

You got a pipeline to Central/South America or Africa for fresh beans? If all you're peddling is instant or Sanka:barf:, you can keep your "coffee". Seriously, though, I agree... coffee will be HUGE if SHTF.

Remember though that the morbidly obese have well marbled meat, and likely tastier than the athletic types.
:D

That's good.:D Kobe human flesh.

I thought she said she WORKED in an institution. Whatever.

I stand corrected. Sincere apologies to Patriot Nurse.

As far as currency, if the financial umbrella is gone. Keep your silver and gold. Pain releivers, meds in general, soap, medical supplies, clothing, single shot shotgun and shells(defense or food gathering), water purification tools/supplies, 22 rimfire ammo, buckets, tarps, fire making implements...... these are the sorts of things that will be valuable in barter.

Why "single" shot?
 
Seriously. During an emergency with no power, is there anyone here who could bathe in cold, ambient temperature water?

I bet there's almost no one. I did it for a couple weeks on the JMT and hated it, myself.
 
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