whose warranties cover unintentional abuse/breakage?

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Cliff, Have you ever went to a knife show to meet with the community face to face? I think it only fair to confront these issues directly and let everyone speak their piece.
 
My bird wanted to see what all the fuss was over.

I think his expression sums up the value of this thread.
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OLD MAN EMU
Words and Music by John Williamson

Let me tell you of an interview with an Old Man Emu
He's got a beak and feathers and things, but the poor old fella ain't got no wings
"Aren't you jealous of the wedge-tail eagle?" - dom ba da little da da da

(Spoken in tempo) "While the eagle's flying round and round, I keep my two feet firmly on the ground
I can't fly, but I'm telling you, I can run the pants of a kangaroo".

doo dee ba doo doo doo , boo da da doot doo doo doo
He can't fly, but I'm telling you, he can run the pants of a kangaroo.

Well he was the model for the fifty cents - oom ba da little da da da
The designer should have had more sense - oom ba da little da da da
If you take a look, it'll prove to you, I ran the pants off that kangaroo.

Doo dee ba doo doo doo...Boo da da doot doo doo..
Take a look it'll prove to you, he can run the pants off the kangaroo.

You can't loop the loop like a cockatoo - Oom ba da little da da da
Swoop and toss like an albatross - Oom ba da little da da da
"You silly galah, I'm better by far, than a white cockatoo or a budgerigar;
They squeak and squawk and try to talk, why me and them's like cheese and chalk"
Ba da da Doo dee ba doo doo doo...Boo da da doot doo doo doo
He can't fly but I'm telling you, he can run the pants off a kangaroo...

Well the last time I saw Old Man Emu - Oom ba da little da da da
He was chasing a female he knew - Oom ba da little da da da
As he shot past I heard him say "She can't fly, but I'm telling you
She could run the pants off a kangaroo". -

Ba da da Doo dee ba doo doo doo Doo dee ba doo doo doo...Boo da da doot doo doo doo
She can't fly but I'm telling you, she can run the pants of a kangaroo

Well there is a moral to this ditty - Oom ba da little da da da
Thrush can sing but he ain't pretty - Oom ba da little da da da
Duck can swim, but he can't sing, nor can the eagle on the wing
Emu can't fly, but I'm telling you, he can run the pants off a kangaroo.

Well the kookaburra laughed and said "It's true, oom ba da little da da da,
Ha Ha Ha Ha Hah Hoo, He can run the pants off a kangaroo"
 
Satrang said:
Cliff, Have you ever went to a knife show to meet with the community face to face?
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Local ones, and I have talked to several local makers and national and internation ones on the phone.

I make no secret who I am and where I live so anyone who does want to find me should not have a hard time, I have been on the internet for a long time and always post under my own name with full disclosure on my contact info.

There are a number of makers I would really like to sit down and talk with, see their knives and talk about performance, Cashen, Kirk, Wilson, Busse, Martin, Johnson, etc., it is a *very* long list.

I don't imagine Strider would be productive as he refuses to answer questions, gets hostile and personal. Why would I waste my time talking to him when I could be spending it with Cashen talking about steels, discussing edge geomtery with Kirk on his new competition blade, etc. .

If at any time he actually wanted to have a conversation about knives, he knows where to find me, email, phone and address.

Here is another question for Strider and the fans at USN which cheered on the destruction of a blade from JEB, would the Buck Solution which is promoted as extreme tough, used where "failure is not an option" fare any better than the JEB if those test were attempted to be duplicated?

Would Strider support such work, would the posters at USN praise such work as heavily as they did for the JEB which was impacted off of concrete, hit with a hammer, viced, etc. ?


-Cliff
 
Cliff, you obviously woke up on the wrong side of bed this morning...took a perfectly dead thread (where it belonged) and brought it back to life to fire off some shots at everyone who has bugged you... :yawn: Why do you even care? You've always had your detractors, but you've also got the ones hanging off of every word you say, let it drop already. You're taking other peoples lack of respect for you wayyyyyy to seriously...
 
Cliff Stamp said:
I don't imagine Strider would be productive as he refuses to answer questions, gets hostile and personal. Why would I waste my time talking to him when I could be spending it with Cashen talking about steels, discussing edge geomtery with Kirk on his new competition blade, etc. .

If at any time he actually wanted to have a conversation about knives, he knows where to find me, email, phone and address.

Here is another question for Strider and the fans at USN which cheered on the destruction of a blade from JEB, would the Buck Solution which is promoted as extreme tough, used where "failure is not an option" fare any better than the JEB if those test were attempted to be duplicated?

Would Strider support such work, would the posters at USN praise such work as heavily as they did for the JEB which was impacted off of concrete, hit with a hammer, viced, etc. ?


-Cliff
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you always have to drag USN into everything , yet you say you don't want to be there... :rolleyes:

I have NEVER been around Mick when he has not been talking knives , guess he just shares his thoughts and views with those he thinks highly of and has respect for . Seeing as you can't even get the point Mick was trying to make to you about the warranty on a knife you were GIVEN why would he discuss anything else with you ?? Please get over yourself .
 
I of course didnt read much of the postings here, because there are over 400. I caught the beginning though, and of course it is obvious that what you are all saying is true: this Cliff Joker is a flamer who isnt a scientist, etc. etc. Mr Strider Jumps to his own defense, as i would do in his place as well. Striders are good knives, an indisputable fact. This is a bad knife:
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Until Strider Knives Merges with frost cutlery and start cranking out imitation damascus fantasy knives they will remain a good company. They have a good policy for damage, and everyone who isnt a big prick seems to enjoy doing business with them. People dont stick with companies that suck. I am so freeking tired right now, and thats the only reason I am posting. Good Night everyone.
 
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you always have to drag USN into everything
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Yes, out of the 7000+ posts I have made, less than 1% refer to USN, thus that can readily extrapolate to all. And of course since we are talking about methods used to review a strider and strider fans review another blade with the same methods it makes no sense at all to point out the lack of consistency of arguement now does it. Would not want you to have to play by the same rules with every knife.

why would he discuss anything else with you ?? Please get over yourself .
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He used to all the time, that is why he sent out the WB to review in the first place. However when I started pointing out problems with the knives then the communication took a rather steep turn towards nothing. Of course there are few people who won't talk about themselves or what they do if all you say about it are positive things. What is more important is how they deal with critism and the hard questions which have both been completely ignored in the above.

-Cliff
 
I don't mind the neg rep points from this thread, but I'd really get a bigger laugh from them if you'd have the cajone's to sign them... :rolleyes:

Whats the fun or challenge in it if no one but you knows? :confused:

I'll go even farther, if you'd feel more comfortable "expressing" your opinion in an e-mail ssb@burkstar.com or by phone *taken out in case this thread does finally get locked, although if anyone does want it in order to "discuss" this thread I'll be more than happy to give it to you in an e-mail* there is no excuse not to ;)
 
Attacking the messenger rather than the message adds no weight whatsoever to your side -- whichever side that might be. (And George Carlin did a better job with the "forbidden" words. :rolleyes: )
 
The messenger is attacked when the message can't be dealt with. In all the above personal banter there is a continuous refusal to actually address the arguements.

Why is the mauling of the JEB blade on USN cheered by the Strider fans while Mick and the same crowd have no end of insults for what I did with the WB. I was asked to review the WB, so if anything you would expect the opposite.

Now ignore this point and further ignore the fact that for the past ten years I have always crosslinked threads to other forums and usenet posts to encourage spread of information and make out that there is some secret anti-USN plot because I referenced a thread there.

How come the Strider fans don't balk at Mick's open admission that his knives are inferior in regards to durability as the much less expensive Swamp Rat knives which have publically demonstrated the work Mick calls abusive and which will break his knives? That is a bigger issue than the warrenty one first raised.

Such behavior it is basically an open admission of lack of opposition, of course it works well with the masses in general because most people are easily sidetracked with insults and forget what is actually being discussed.

So Mick calls me a retard or similar, we exchange insults. Pretty soon the actual facts are forgotton, the thread gets locked and falls off the forums. Of course that doesn't work if I refuse to play.

The information is still there, people who are interested can see the facts that I wrote, the questions asked, and the refusal to deal with them and the wealth of personal attacks.

Make of that what you will, it speaks pretty clearly to me.

-Cliff
 
You're absolutely right Cliff, I personally accept all blame for any and all comments made in this thread. Anything and everything you say is absolutely above question and will in the future be taken as absolute gospel. I apologize for my impatience in this thread with what I mistakingly thought was crap, BS and trollish behaviour by numerous people. That also will never happen again. I know I'm unworthy, but from this point forward I will make notes from all of your posts and maybe, yes maybe someday I will be worthy enough to step up from the ranks of Pakastani knives and own something that has your "Stamp" of approval on it.
 
BurkStar said:
Anything and everything you say is absolutely above question and will in the future be taken as absolute gospel.
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Yes, that is why I constantly send out knives I have reviewed to others for feedback, link all of my reviews to threads where people can see differing opinions, including rants like the above, and allow makers to comment on the reviews directly, offering to quote them right in it.

Yes, this obviously means I only want my opinion considered and don't want debate, nice use of formal logic there. My main internet signature has a quote which in fact states the exact opposite, I think I have been running it for pretty much the full 10 years I have been on the internet.

It is a quote from Heinlein on skepticism, through Maureen Long.

The one unforgivable sin, the offence against one's own integrity,
is to accept anything at all simply on authority -- Maureen Johnson Long

and the other, which is also appropiate here :

Anyone can hold the helm when the sea is calm. -- Publilius Syrus


-Cliff
 
BurkStar said:
I don't mind the neg rep points from this thread, but I'd really get a bigger laugh from them if you'd have the cajone's to sign them... :rolleyes:

Whats the fun or challenge in it if no one but you knows? :confused:

I'll go even farther, if you'd feel more comfortable "expressing" your opinion in an e-mail ssb@burkstar.com or by phone those numbers are everywhere :)mum there is no excuse not to ;)
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My name is Arthur E. Howellls. My phone number is (Bastid says you really do not want to put your phone numer in here -edited). Seems like we live in the same town Burstar, gimme a call.
 
AIIIIEEEE!!!!!! that which is unmentionable has been mentioned!!!

Maybe we'll get this thread locked after all. yea!
 
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