whose warranties cover unintentional abuse/breakage?

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3Guardsmen said:
Sorry that my first post is in response to this, but I find k_randomfactor's remarks to be cruel and uncalled for. I expect a little more out of a *** (can't name the other place) "Citizen". Terrible conduct, Chris! I used to really enjoy your posts at the "other place", too. :(
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wow, i got my first Neg Point here, and they didnt' even sign their name. i think i know who it was tho' :D . it was something about being a "moron". see, even some people who wouldn't DARE call someone "retarded" (which i guess is most people here), still resort to name calling, and use a word that means essentially the same.

anyway, sorry you feel that way. i was called retarded for many many years, mainly because i get a bad stutter when i get excited, and i have a mild stutter at the best of times. i have a mild case of dyslexia also, and got no end of grief when i would read something wrong, or get words jumbled.

ya know, screw them. names mean nothing. i'm not retarded, nor am i slow, learning impaired, or educationally challenged. i happen to be rather intelligent, if you can believe it.

i care not the slightest bit what other people think of me. their opinion means less than nothing. if they think i'm "disabled", their loss.

the current PC craze, with people wearing their hearts on their sleeves, i find pathetic. i try NOT to hurt other people, but that is just polite. the hiding behind a "disability", is just an excuse not to fail, and to have a crutch to support a false sense of "self-esteem".

getting all bent out of shape just because someone labels you as something, is just an indicator of a lack of self-respect (as opposed to the B.S. PC "self-esteem"), and is a problem worse than being "learning disabled". PC enough?

get over it, overcome your obstacles, and press on with your life. hiding behind a "disablilty" is just cowardice.

flame away now. give me all the negative points you can. call me all the dirty little words you care too. believe me, i've been called worse by better, and at the end of the day, i'll still be able to look at myself in the mirror.

i'm gonna sign this with my real name. i'm not going to hide behind an alias, or have this be an anonymous post with no signature.

Chris Taylor
 
A knife maker or company says their "Super Destructo" knife can slice even the toughest bread, and shows pictures of it.

They have an unconditional warrantee, or one that will replace the knife as long as it is not abused.

While slicing Canadian white bread, the knife fails critically, snapping in two.

If the company doesn't replace it with a smile on their face, they are bullshitters and don't deserve your money.

As I understand it, Cliff Stamp is claiming this, in essence, was his experience, simply using the knife within the parameters of the makers claims, and it failed.

Mr. Stamp, I believe I have interpreted this correctly.
 
ghost squire said:
A knife maker or company says their "Super Destructo" knife can slice even the toughest bread, and shows pictures of it.

They have an unconditional warrantee, or one that will replace the knife as long as it is not abused.

While slicing Canadian white bread, the knife fails critically, snapping in two.

If the company doesn't replace it with a smile on their face, they are bullshitters and don't deserve your money.

As I understand it, Cliff Stamp is claiming this, in essence, was his experience, simply using the knife within the parameters of the makers claims, and it failed.

Sounds like Strider is bullshit to me man!

So Strider Kool-Aid drinkers and fanboys, take a chill pill and look at the facts!

Mr. Stamp, I believe I have interpreted this correctly.
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Strider Kool-Aid? :confused: i didn't get that memo! will i get a package with my covered under warranty knife that i just sent back? i hope so :D

whatever dude. :rolleyes:

chris
 
Whatever back dude. This entire thread is idiotic (no offense to idiots), people like you call other people sheeple, but look how you just bite into Strider marketing and become part of the cult, refusing to look at the facts.

If I sold pencils, guaranteeing they would not spontaneously combust no matter what, and you tested one, and it did, I would replace your pencil or give you your money back, and then change my guarantee to: "Warning: Pencil may spontaneously combust, use with caution".

So say theoretically I buy a knife from a knife company called Lugnutz Edged Weapons. They release a video, and in it, they show their knife model "21" chop apart a Toyota Corolla. They then make the claim "This knife is so tough it can chop apart a Toyota Corolla!".

Next day, I get one and, in the process of cutting up a Toyota Corolla, the exact model and paint color as the one in the video, the Model 21 lights on fire and explodes.

So I ask for either my money back or a replacement, and the knife company should change its claims. They can still show it chopping up a Toyota, however they should not claim that the knife is capable of doing so without serious risk of gross failure.
 
Sounds like Strider is bullshit to me man!

So Strider Kool-Aid drinkers and fanboys, take a chill pill and look at the facts!
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Yup and that is pretty "idiotic" to go along with much in this thread.


Your post might have been a better source for decent discussion without that.
 
ghost squire said:
So say theoretically I buy a knife from a knife company called Lugnutz Edged Weapons. They release a video, and in it, they show their knife model "21" chop apart a Toyota Corolla. They then make the claim "This knife is so tough it can chop apart a Toyota Corolla!".

Next day, I get one and, in the process of cutting up a Toyota Corolla, the exact model and paint color as the one in the video, the Model 21 lights on fire and explodes.

So I ask for either my money back or a replacement, and the knife company should change its claims. They can still show it chopping up a Toyota, however they should not claim that the knife is capable of doing so without serious risk of gross failure.
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More importantly would Toyota replace the Corolla if it was under warranty?
:) :D

There is a knife for every person and a person for every knife.

You can choose to make yours anything you want I don't care, but don't talk about what you don't know, and there is more to Strider Knives then a piece of steel. And becuase of that intanglible, I choose Strider Knives.

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OHHHH HK def. has exceptional taste in blades as well! Strider PIC FEST 05!
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Just trying to make SOME kind of use of this thread :) Enjoy.
 
I don't like the look of those serrations much... discuss! My opinion is that they look rather half hearted and would probably not perform even close to Spyderco's serrations or Masters of Defence serrations.

No doubt I will get more neg points for bringing this point up but what the heck, I am just surprised at the serration pattern. Where are the peaks and points for focusing the penetration power? They look like a seatbelt would fall out of the cutting focus points before the cut was made fully.
 
Yep the neg points just fly in when you post on this thread.... :rolleyes:

Hey, nice knives, I just don't like the look of the serrations.
 
The General said:
I don't like the look of those serrations much... discuss!
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They look like they're designed to increase the length of the edge's cutting surface while reducing the likelihood of getting the folder hung up while cutting which can happen with pointier serrations.
 
thombrogan said:
They look like they're designed to increase the length of the edge's cutting surface while reducing the likelihood of getting the folder hung up while cutting which can happen with pointier serrations.
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Not if their sharpened properly surely?
 
As long as we're on serrations, I have avoided them, which may be an unreasonable prejudice. Are there some tasks where serrations give an advantage over a plain edge?
 
The General said:
Not if their sharpened properly surely?
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No guarantees even with proper sharpening. Also, were you to sharpen serrations with a serration-optimized setup, such as the Sharpmaker, the peaks/tips often round off over time suggesting a final outcome where they're cosmetically similar to Mr. Dyer's serration setup.

Thomas Linton said:
Are there some tasks where serrations give an advantage over a plain edge?
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Absolutely! Whether the peaks and troughs are as dramatic as the SpyderEdge or a custom Marzitelli or are as subdued as those seen on Duane Dyer's SnG knives and Busse's Flying Tiger, serrations cause the direction and concentration of force to change even while pulling the knife in a straight line. Try cutting through some old shoes or boots using pull cuts with both a serrated and an unserrated blade. Then try with a saw. The serrated knife will not be as fast or efficient as a double-cut saw, but it may be similar in performance to a single cut saw. If you're cutting a lot of tough or fibrous material, it's a good choice.
 
Mick Strider said:
So then cliff decides, that’s the as using the knife to chop up a concrete block.
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You openly state your knives can be functionally damaged and the warrenty voided by simply chopping into a concrete block!?

I thought that when Swamp Rat publically demonstrated this live it would put an end to just how lame it is to cry "abuse" here. They are ~$100 production knives and they do it with no problems, then $300+ customs claiming to be extremely tough balk at it - there is a real problem here.

And don't even begin to claim about how the knives only can do that one thing and are just block choppers, the Camp Tramp will out cut and out chop the WB all day long, not to mention that Ray Kirk's bowie did it with no functional damage and you would need to be insane to claim his knives can't cut well.

Yet Kirk's highly efficient bowie didn't break, it simply needed to be resharpened. In the light of that how can any heavy utility or tactical knife fail to perform at a toughness standard which is achieved by a knife which is almost completely optomized for pure cutting ability? I am pretty sure you can cut any number of fuzz sticks with a Camp Tramp as well.

So I take my PAB, have it out doing some limbing, I cut through some weeds, smack it into a rock which is way worse than hitting a piece of concrete, I can expect the blade to actually get damaged more than the WB did on the concrete? This is the desired behavior of the blade?

Do you also forget the email you sent out promoting the toughness of your blades by pounding them into a rock face with a heavy hammer, and other tasks which are far more stressfull than hacking into a concrete block?

And as for skew and stats :

Your quality control is so bad that you need to test 10 knives inorder to be able to bound the results?! Do you realize what it says about the variance in your customs if you need a sample size of ten to get a sensible mean error?

I have looked at many examples of knives, and yes, from different people, bought at different times. Once you move beyond very low end production, the QC is so tight that the variance is actually beyond commonly accepted p value tolerances.

This line of reasoning also ignores the whole purpose of the reviews which you would know if you actually read them, or actually talked to me about it. The reviews are not meant to provide a 100% end of discussion report. They are meant to provide a blackboard to entertain discussions and share ideas about performance, steels, geometry, etc. with makers and users who are interested in facts.

And talk about bias, note the huge double standard. Look at all the positive reviews of Striders products including the ones that openly blast other products. Find even one where Mick attacks that work with the same intensity and criteria that he applies to mine.

And you again ignored the fact that you sent me the knife and asked me to do the review with no mention of any of your testing requirements then either which by the way no one who reviews knives meets. Why would you send me the knife and ask me to do the review given my "agenda"? Oh, yeah, because you only figured out that I had an agenda when my review wasn't over the top positive and actually pointed out areas in which your knives are outperformed by others.

Do I have an agenda, yeah, it is a simple one. Work with knives, get information on performance, both the positive and the negative, share it with people who want to know such things. I assumed when you sent me the knife you were one of them.

-Cliff
 
I suggest that Cliff and his detractors sit down at the next Blade Show and discuss these issues in an open forum for all to see. It would make for a good presentation and since all the knife producers will be there, they can put their two cents in also.
 
Satrang said:
I suggest that Cliff and his detractors sit down at the next Blade Show and discuss these issues in an open forum for all to see. It would make for a good presentation and since all the knife producers will be there, they can put their two cents in also.
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I think that would likely result in a lot of people getting arrested for brawling! There are too many ego's and reputations on the line here. People are defending their livelyhoods also. Different products and different marketing appeal to different people. Sometimes I think we all need to accept "not wrong, just different"

To be the sane voice in the dark, unless Mick, Cliff and Jerry are able and willing to meet in a polite manner with some knives and let the onlookers decide who makes the best knives for chopping concrete blocks, dismantling chairs or tanks, whatever, then this thread is going no where. Either there is a willingness to do this or there is not. Either way I can't say as I care any more.
 
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