Why 10xx is not better than D2 for a bushcraft kinfe!

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grogimus said:
Rat-3 in D2? Wow, I want one!
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Bear in mind that the RAT-3 was/is produced by Ontario, not ESEE (formerly RAT Cutlery) even though the fundamental design is nearly identical. The "same" knife produced by ESEE under the RAT Cutlery name was designated the RC-3, and is now the ESEE-3. Neither of those designations have ever been produced in D2--only the Ontario RAT-3.
 
LX_Emergency said:
"Nicer" is subjective by definition.
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Sorry. RG-III has given us THE quantified, objective, industry standard of what constitutes a "nicer" steel here in this thread

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1380308-Why-do-people-like-1095-for-pricier-knives?p=15906140#post15906140

I would assume his standard applies to "better" also. But I certainly dont want to put words in his mouth.

The guy has been nice enough to come here and explain this stuff to us, the least you all could do is listen to him.
 
marcinek said:
Sorry. RG-III has given us THE quantified, objective, industry standard of what constitutes a "nicer" steel here in this thread

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1380308-Why-do-people-like-1095-for-pricier-knives?p=15906140#post15906140

I would assume his standard applies to "better" also. But I certainly dont want to put words in his mouth.

The guy has been nice enough to come here and explain this stuff to us, the least you all could do is listen to him.
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I am making a d2 knife right now that is almost exactly like my 1095 knife. I plan on thumping on it all summer. They are same down to handles materials. Only diff is the D2 has a slightly wider handle contour for testing different grip design to find what I like best.

I did see some metallurgy graphs that show on paper that D2 should "hold up better" of course different metals perform better at optimum HT so that makes it harder to compare... but on paper D2 appears like it would be better except when you have to field sharpen right?
 
tatalley10 said:
I am making a d2 knife right now that is almost exactly like my 1095 knife. I plan on thumping on it all summer. They are same down to handles materials. Only diff is the D2 has a slightly wider handle contour for testing different grip design to find what I like best.

I did see some metallurgy graphs that show on paper that D2 should "hold up better" of course different metals perform better at optimum HT so that makes it harder to compare... but on paper D2 appears like it would be better except when you have to field sharpen right?
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"Better" is a subjective when you're talking all around performance.

"Better for what?"

Is what I'd ask.

D2 will probably have better edge retention and corrosion resistance. However when it comes to impact resistance 1095 is king. Also when it comes to ease of heat treat, price and ease of sharpening.

1095 will also most likely attain a FINER edge. Meaning you'll be able to get it sharper.

So whether it'll hold up "better" will entirely depend on what you plan on doing with it.
 
You just have to decide what you want in a knife. D2 is superior in wear resistance and corrosion resistance. 1095 is superior in price, toughness, and sharpening ease. Edge holding does not always depend on wear resistance. It does depend on what you cut and how.
 
craytab said:
If prettier subjective?

These RX threads are a hoot.
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At first, I gave him benefit of the doubt, because I'd seen many other members kind of disregard him or get in little quarrels with him.. but after reading his response to pretty much every post someone posts, I have learned he simply can't be wrong...like, ever. Not even once.
 
Highly wear resistant steels are a bear for me to sharpen. So for me, steels that hold a decent edge, but are easier to sharpen are better. I would much rather touch up an edge more frequently, than not be able to get a good edge on it at all.
 
grogimus said:
Anyone have two identical models, one with 10xx, one with D2?
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Well, here's still a problem... now we have to identify the task within the "bushcraft" spectrum. So you're only half done at this point.

I hate the term "bushcraft", it's like "survival knife". I'm sure if we all stood around and threw "bushcraft" tasks in a pile, we'd have a bunch of stuff that would still be subjective. Some folks think chopping trail ala machete is a bushcraft task. How about skinning and processing small game, or cleaning a fish? Splitting or batoning firewood? Or whittling that toothpick to get the blackberry seeds out of your teeth? Hell, somebody might think you should be able to tie the knife to the end of a stick and spear a rabbit for dinner. Oh, I see the knife style out there in the open market that wears the "Bushcrafter" moniker. Kind of the Honda Pilot of the knife world... not quite a car, not a minivan, not a 4 wheeler... a jack of all trades but master of none, so to speak.

Perhaps D2 would outshine 1095 for some of these tasks, but for the whole bushcrafting resume' I'm not sure.

So I don't even think that an identical model in both materials is going to be definitive. Maybe for a hunting knife, or a dedicated chopper, but "bushcraft" is too loose a term to pin this down.
 
Why is there so much ridiculous arguing .1095 and it's cv form is a great low cost steel that people have been using for a long time.
For most people bushcraft is a practice of traditional woods skills, so it makes sense that they would want a traditional steel in their knife ( even if it means using a typically lower cost steel in an expensive custom knife )

As I've previously stated, I have no experience with D2.
But 1095-195cv is a great readily available and low cost steel that just plain works.
If you prefer D2 for some reason ( hopefully not just because someone told you it was better )
Then that's good for you.
I know that both types of 1095 work great and I'll stick with them.
 
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