Why 10xx is not better than D2 for a bushcraft kinfe!

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I see no reason why I'd want a D2 knife for bushcraft. Edge holding is not an issue, particularly after cutting over a kilometer of cardboard with a $7 stainless knife from the local grocery with a blade made from unknown stainless, and still being able to make fine curly slices in notebook paper and cut a folded piece of notebook paper while it sits on a table edge. If corrosion resistance is a concern, a real stainless will take care of that. 1095 all the way. Expanding selection, 1095, 1080, 1075, 1055, 1095CrV, 8670M, O1, 12c27 and (M) version, A2, 440A, and many similar steels would be my choice. Heck, a repurposed old machete blade would be great.
 
Velitrius said:
......I hate the term "bushcraft", it's like "survival knife". I'm sure if we all stood around and threw "bushcraft" tasks in a pile, we'd have a bunch of stuff that would still be subjective. Some folks think chopping trail ala machete is a bushcraft task. How about skinning and processing small game, or cleaning a fish? Splitting or batoning firewood? Or whittling that toothpick to get the blackberry seeds out of your teeth? Hell, somebody might think you should be able to tie the knife to the end of a stick and spear a rabbit for dinner. Oh, I see the knife style out there in the open market that wears the "Bushcrafter" moniker. Kind of the Honda Pilot of the knife world... not quite a car, not a minivan, not a 4 wheeler... a jack of all trades but master of none, so to speak........
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There are knife terms I hate too but those aren't on the list.

Don't you think you need some kind of categorization or compartmentalization to ease some discussion topics? At some point in detailed conversation you need some definers to narrow a field or pull a comparative.

I use three basic categories for outdoor: bush, survival and shtf. I think most people here have the sense to pretty much delineate between the three and get at least rough imagery of what each entails in principle and shifting properties of priorities of the different knives.

I feel like I just exhausted my syllable allotment....:cool:
 
I don't think it would that hard to test knives in all bushcraft/survival/outdoors related tasks, then rate them on those tasks individually. If the end user doesn't believe batoning (or whatever) is a bushcraft task, then they can just pay attention to the ratings that pertain.


The OP may have some useful experience using D2 and 1095 knives that have led him to the conclusion that the doom and gloom surrounding D2 edges is overblown, while the edge holding has been a tremendous help to getting tasks done without stopping to sharpen. If your experience is that an old machete will stay sharp indefinitely, than D2 is going to seem like a waste and possible liability.
 
RX-79G said:
I don't think it would that hard to test knives in all bushcraft/survival/outdoors related tasks, then rate them on those tasks individually. If the end user doesn't believe batoning (or whatever) is a bushcraft task, then they can just pay attention to the ratings that pertain.


The OP may have some useful experience using D2 and 1095 knives that have led him to the conclusion that the doom and gloom surrounding D2 edges is overblown, while the edge holding has been a tremendous help to getting tasks done without stopping to sharpen. If your experience is that an old machete will stay sharp indefinitely, than D2 is going to seem like a waste and possible liability.
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Batoning IS a Bushcraft skill.

D2 does have its merits but it's not widely available and other steels do better at similar prices with more variety in designs and features.
 
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Ok so defining D2 knife usage here as a bush, camp, backpacking theme. With only batoning the smallest of wood for fire starting (after days of rain)
I think D2 has a place here due to not having to pack a sharpening tool adding to weight, cause one could strop in field and sharpen at home till crazy sharp before going out....
 
DeadboxHero said:
Batoning IS a Bushcraft skill.

D2 does have its merits but it's not widely available and other steels do better at similar prices with more variety in designs and features.
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Yes. But keep in mind that our friend's "tests", like his "nicer steel" test from earlier, only involve factors which he feels are relevant (i.e., support his argument).

In his honor, I am proposing the Marcinek Tiger Test, in which the only factor that determines if an animal is a tiger is "hair."
 
marcinek said:
Yes. But keep in mind that our friend's "tests", like his "nicer steel" test from earlier, only involve factors which he feels are relevant (i.e., support his argument).

In his honor, I am proposing the Marcinek Tiger Test, in which the only factor that determines if an animal is a tiger is "hair."
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I didn't bother to correct his confusion, but I'm happy to correct you.

I think batoning is a bushcraft skill. There is nothing in what I posted to suggest otherwise:
If the end user doesn't believe batoning (or whatever) is a bushcraft task, then they can just pay attention to the ratings that pertain.
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So, before your next drive-by Insultathon™, why not read the source material so you don't ALSO look like the one with the reading comprehension problem? I think Deadbox can at least claim to not be working in his native language.
 
RX-79G said:
I didn't bother to correct his confusion, but I'm happy to correct you.

I think batoning is a bushcraft skill. There is nothing in what I posted to suggest otherwise:


So, before your next drive-by Insultathon™, why not read the source material so you don't ALSO look like the one with the reading comprehension problem? I think Deadbox can at least claim to not be working in his native language.
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Ouch sick burn! Ya got me hahaha

I just can't communicate with you on any level.

Take care RX 79G
 
Kevin Cashen has said that with some steels, you "take what the chemistry gives you" Others, you can deviate from the "industry standard" heat treatment and get better result for KNIFE purposes. D2 and 51200 are apparently two of those common steels. What Bob Dozier did with his HT was "solve" the problem of D2 having huge primary carbides aka the "takes a crappy edge and holds it forever" joke.
RX-79G said:
Why are you being a such a jerk?

I was in the car and unable to answer your last question fast enough, apparently.


And if you want to be the thread drift police, you can pile on 42 Blades for bringing up other steels long before I did. What is wrong with you?


To answer the question you were apparently asking, I'd choose D2, IF I can pick the maker and the type of knife. People like Bob Dozier make very stable D2 edge wise. There are more than a couple D2 outdoor knives out there.

But, D2 is a hotly contested HT. There are two tempering ranges that produce the same hardness at very different toughness and edge stability, and "expert" knifemakers use both. 1095 does not suffer from this kind of ambiguity.

I don't think D2, or any stainless, is good for a large chopper.
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Last time that I checked, D2 is widely available form any company that carries tools steels. I have also been told that it and A2 are becoming MORE widely used and O1 LESS so because air hardening tool steels are easier for the typical machine shop to HT SAFELY because you don't have to dunk the hot blade in a pot of oil. What is LESS common out there in the non-knife world is stuff like 5160 and 1095 that you can count on being clean. When you say that D2 is not widely avalibel. that tells me that you have not looked very hard if at all. Google "D2 for sale" and you will get a bunch of listings for PG stock from companies like Online Metals.
DeadboxHero said:
Batoning IS a Bushcraft skill.

D2 does have its merits but it's not widely available and other steels do better at similar prices with more variety in designs and features.
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jdm61 said:
Kevin Cashen has said that with some steels, you "take what the chemistry gives you" Others, you can deviate from the "industry standard" heat treatment and get better result for KNIFE purposes. D2 and 51200 are apparently two of those common steels. What Bob Dozier did with his HT was "solve" the problem of D2 having huge primary carbides aka the "takes a crappy edge and holds it forever" joke.
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You post on Kevin's forum? That place is awesome.
 
Remember when some years ago D2 was still considered a very capable steel. which I think it is.
now all the steel marketing is kind of pathetic :)
 
RX-79G said:
I didn't bother to correct his confusion, but I'm happy to correct you.

I think batoning is a bushcraft skill. There is nothing in what I posted to suggest otherwise:


So, before your next drive-by Insultathon™, why not read the source material so you don't ALSO look like the one with the reading comprehension problem? I think Deadbox can at least claim to not be working in his native language.
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RX-79G said:
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That is exactly my thought on your pot shots at deadbox. From my experiences with him he speaks english just fine :thumbup:
 
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