Why are blades rarely slicey?

[Standard78]

Rule 1, it's absolutely never worth it to try to decipher the point Gaston is trying to make as it's always based on pure fantasy.

When I read his posts... Christopher Walken, is the narrator.

 

[ShannonSteelLabs]

Back to slicey blades.
An Apex EDC in Zwear i made for myself.
62HRC. OD green micarta handles.
Convex to nearly 0, and a microbevel added for more toughness.

When I read his posts... Christopher Walken, is the narrator.

Thats a great idea.

91bravo i will likely run into you at Blade. Look for me i should be wearing a Shannon Steel Labs Tshirt!
Or we can arrange to meet somewhere via PM.

 

[91bravo]

Back to slicey blades.
An Apex EDC in Zwear i made for myself.
62HRC. OD green micarta handles.
Convex to nearly 0, and a microbevel added for more toughness.


Thats a great idea.

91bravo i will likely run into you at Blade. Look for me i should be wearing a Shannon Steel Labs Tshirt!
Or we can arrange to meet somewhere via PM.

Sounds like a plan man!

 

[FullMetalJackass]

Here are 2 modern knives that I'd consider slicey to say the least... Bugout and Shaman. Both released about a year ago.

 

[22-rimfire]

Not to pick, but it sure would be nice if you edited the post with knife model names.

 

[Phixt]

Get a spidey. Problem solved.

 

[JBoone]

Cause “hard use” has been popular for some time. The older you get the more you appreciate cutting performance which I believe the OP is eluding to.

 

[klute]

I see the light on both sides of this issue. I use knives every day, sometimes at work where we all have tons of tools. It's funny though despite being extra well armed it seems we are all at times using tools for things they are not designed for, even warned against by the manufacturer. So looking at a knife this way, that it will be "tested" ahem...to it's limits in a commercial scenario where time is of the essence it sort of fits to have a heavy duty blade that can take abuse. That's my take. I am currently abusing a ZT 0630, my Ontario XM1 got retired from over sharpening. No big deal, it's a tool and like Loveless said, "must be eyed with a certain contempt". Am I so proud on my knives and using them like this, not really but I would say an appreciation of design and function. Had an Opinel, it was ok but ended up giving it away. I have a utility knife it's parked in the top drawer of my tool box all ready to go.

 

[Gaston444]

Gaston, just a quick fact: maple is not the hardest wood. It's in fact rather soft when you compare it to iron woods, hickory, and of course the actual hardest wood, Lignum Vitae - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lignum_vitae

On the Janka Scale of Hardness, which measures hardness of woods, lignum vitae ranks highest of the trade woods, with a Janka hardness of 4500 lbf (compared with Olneya at 3260 lbf[4], African Blackwood at 2940 lbf, Hickory at 1820 lbf, red oak at 1290 lbf, Yellow Pine at 690 lbf, and Balsa at 100 lbf).

Hard maple, aka Rock maple is only a bit higher than red oak - at 1,450 lbf http://www.wood-database.com/hard-maple/


... so please take more care in your 'facts'

1-When did I ever claim that maple was the hardest wood?

2-Since it is an established fact I have never made that claim, what is the purpose of your "correcting" me?

I just mention Maple as a reference point.

Also, a quick note, please don't complain about edges rolling or failing on big choppers which you have reground to thinner edge geometry angles. Doing this shows how much you fail to comprehend about knives & steels.

thin edges are used in kitchen knives, to slice vegetables and food easily...
thick edges are used in outdoor knives, to handle wood and other tough tasks...

it's like complaining about a honda civic when it fails to pull a camping trailer

So INFI, CPM-3V are both Honda Civics?

S30V and CPM 154 then are a Smart fortwo, but really that is being insulting to the Smart. I think in terms of sharpening effort/edge holding ratio, a two-stroke 1980s Lada is more appropriate...

And 440C then is a GMC Silverado 2500HD.

And, still in sharpening/edge holding ratio, 420J is a Ford F-450 Super Duty...

I think I have these nailed.

Gaston

 

[Standard78]

1-When did I ever claim that maple was the hardest wood?

2-Since it is an established fact I have never made that claim, what is the purpose of your "correcting" me?

I just mention Maple as a reference point.



So INFI, CPM-3V are both Honda Civics?

S30V and CPM 154 then are a Smart fortwo, but really that is being insulting to the Smart. I think in terms of sharpening effort/edge holding ratio, a two-stroke 1980s Lada is more appropriate...

And 440C then is a GMC Silverado 2500HD.

And, still in sharpening/edge holding ratio, 420J is a Ford F-450 Super Duty...

I think I have these nailed.

Gaston

No

 

[dirc]

... The most prominent example of this is INFI (which is better than many CPMs at true knife-like tasks, again nothing harder than maple wood):
Gaston

Gaston, that is your quote, you said nothing harder than maple wood. I guess since French is your primary language (?) you are saying you meant to say, 'against' instead of 'again'?... okay fine.

Other point, yes ANY steel is a honda civic when you go with an acute geometry. That is how steel works. 3v and infi are tough, but if you try to grind a chopper using these steels to under 30 inclusive, you're ending up with a civic. EXACTLY, that is how geometry works. Good steel alone cannot stand up to chopping when you go thin. You go thin -> blade fails -> then you blame the steel?

You've been a member here for 4 years... if you don't understand that point, then you're an idiot or a troll, take your pick.

 

[halden.doerge]

I think I have these nailed.

I hope this kind of stuff will be enough to make it obvious to people that Gbag here isn’t real.

Don’t bother arguing. Don’t treat it like it’s real. It’s literally all made up and it’s only purpose is to annoy, solicit reactions, and draw people arguments.

Compulsive liars just need to be ignored. That’s all there is to it.

 

[ShannonSteelLabs]

Gaston you fail to understand geometry.
You could have the best super steel ever, and if you sharpen it that thin you can have disastrous results.

Generally if you sharpen it to that degree and CHOP with it theres a high chance of failure.
You need to have 2 knives made, both identical in length, thickness, edge thickness and edge angle. One in your steel of choice 420J or whatever, and the other in CPM 3v or INFI . Im sure INFI, Or 3V would far outperform the 420J or 440B/A version. Even with correct heat treat of the stainless you picked.


Im starting to think that he is just a troll. Hoping he gets kicked someday. Getting tired of his BS.

 

[Planterz]

Is anyone else reminded of this?

vs

 

[hexenjager]

Im starting to think that he is just a troll. Hoping he gets kicked someday. Getting tired of his BS.

I think you have these nailed.

 

[Planterz]

This is a slicing thread and G Gaston444 is talking about chopping maple wood. The only slicing that should be done with maple wood is when it's maple smoked bacon.

 

[stabman]

This is a slicing thread and G Gaston444 is talking about chopping maple wood. The only slicing that should be done with maple wood is when it's maple smoked bacon.

Sometimes you can't wait for that bacon to thaw though, and that's when you need this:

Chops that frozen bacon with no issues at all.
No chipping or wobbly apex either.

 

[Insipid Moniker]

Sometimes you can't wait for that bacon to thaw though, and that's when you need this:

Chops that frozen bacon with no issues at all.
No chipping or wobbly apex either.

It's not stainless and therefore inferior. I doubt it even has a black leather sheath.

 

[Quiet]

1-When did I ever claim that maple was the hardest wood?

2-Since it is an established fact I have never made that claim, what is the purpose of your "correcting" me?

I just mention Maple as a reference point.



So INFI, CPM-3V are both Honda Civics?

S30V and CPM 154 then are a Smart fortwo, but really that is being insulting to the Smart. I think in terms of sharpening effort/edge holding ratio, a two-stroke 1980s Lada is more appropriate...

And 440C then is a GMC Silverado 2500HD.

And, still in sharpening/edge holding ratio, 420J is a Ford F-450 Super Duty...

I think I have these nailed.

Gaston

LOL Same old Gaston, with your false "facts". I always read your posts where you mention Josh over at REK and just end up feeling bad for him. I can't imagine what he says when he opens another box from you. "Great, just great. Wonder what I'm being paid to ruin this time?"

 

[r8shell]

It's not stainless and therefore inferior. I doubt it even has a black leather sheath.

Therefore banned in all professional kitchens.