Why do shirivo bear knives so expensive??

There are three conclusions that a reader of this thread could make:
1. Shirogorov knives are overpriced and worth it
2. Shirogorov knives are overpriced and not worth it
3. Someone should really make a Shirivo Bear knife
 
I have yet to try a better made and better designed knife. My 95NL combines a Spyderco Military sized blade in a PM2 sized handle, with an extremely thin-behind-the-edge FFG, and the best flipping action I've ever felt. The micarta inlay on the titanium handle is the best executed I have ever seen, and the pocket clip design is also the best I've encountered - perfect retention, easy "re-holster", so flat/slim to the pocket it is completely door-jamb-proof. While I balk at the price of most of Shiro's other models, at $695 if feel the NL is absolutely on the money.
 
WValtakis said:
Even at a "like" per dollar that seems ridiculous and overhyped;)
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You may know that I have had about 15 Shiros of all different levels go through my hands in the last 12 months. About 1/2 of them were acting as selling/dealing agent on behalf of one of our Canadian CPK brethren, the rest ones which I bought out using my own $ to "try out" to ogle and to marvel over. These ranged from the "plain ol' serial" versions (codeword for production) to some certainly cool and limited number CDs and collaborative CD knives with Sinkevich.

Although I don't consider myself an authority of any sort on Shiro as compared to the more serious Shiro owners who have chimed on here, I've dickered with enough of them to know that they are well engineered and well constructed folding knives with one of the greatest ergonomics as to what a folder ought to look like, well at least to a person like me. Are they perfect and the be all of folding knives? Not at all and even for an knife layman like me, when poked and probed deeper into them, I could see flaws and areas for improvement but then again, I'm not privy to their design concept and logic regarding the areas which I thought were lacking. One glaring issue for me is that I really don't dig their very narrow cutting edge shoulder (the distance between the primary and the secondary grind). To me, every single Shiro needs to go to someone like Josh of REK to have a mean re-grind implemented which is another $100ish at the very least.

Both Chazzy and CPP have chimed in about their U.S. prices which I completely agree on. I was fortunate to pick every one on the secondary market or through the Friend with the exception of 2 so when I bailed out of Shiro, I didnt lose my shirt like many with large collections all bought at retail or inflated price shall lo$e. As far a quality goes, when I see some folks put them in the same level as CRK, I find that utterly laughable <<<--- this will ruffle many feathers within CRK enthusiasts even though I give advantage to CRKs CS (less PITA to deal with a opposed to owner/agent shipping to Russia) and their relative simplicity of service as opposed to a Shiro.

To get back to your topic, yes there's a cult of Shiro owners who dabble in these knives for the purpose of Social Media. Some may be SM influencers and some private dealers or collectors dealing within their own clique community. But for an "average Joe" who may wish to get into a Shiro just for pure use without the vex and angst about re-sale value, yada, yada, both the F95NL (frame-lock Ti with micarta inlay and Elmax) and the F3 version (micarta with liner lock and Elmax) are VERY SOLID folder much superior to any CRK which I have owned. If one can be snagged on the secondary for the mid 5 Bill$ and the edge can be improved by a pro sharpener, that knife will most likely be the folder for most of us average plebs :D
 
Casinostocks said:
You may know that I have had about 15 Shiros of all different levels go through my hands in the last 12 months. About 1/2 of them were acting as selling/dealing agent on behalf of one of our Canadian CPK brethren, the rest ones which I bought out using my own $ to "try out" to ogle and to marvel over. These ranged from the "plain ol' serial" versions (codeword for production) to some certainly cool and limited number CDs and collaborative CD knives with Sinkevich.

Although I don't consider myself an authority of any sort on Shiro as compared to the more serious Shiro owners who have chimed on here, I've dickered with enough of them to know that they are well engineered and well constructed folding knives with one of the greatest ergonomics as to what a folder ought to look like, well at least to a person like me. Are they perfect and the be all of folding knives? Not at all and even for an knife layman like me, when poked and probed deeper into them, I could see flaws and areas for improvement but then again, I'm not privy to their design concept and logic regarding the areas which I thought were lacking. One glaring issue for me is that I really don't dig their very narrow cutting edge shoulder (the distance between the primary and the secondary grind). To me, every single Shiro needs to go to someone like Josh of REK to have a mean re-grind implemented which is another $100ish at the very least.

Both Chazzy and CPP have chimed in about their U.S. prices which I completely agree on. I was fortunate to pick every one on the secondary market or through the Friend with the exception of 2 so when I bailed out of Shiro, I didnt lose my shirt like many with large collections all bought at retail or inflated price shall lo$e. As far a quality goes, when I see some folks put them in the same level as CRK, I find that utterly laughable <<<--- this will ruffle many feathers within CRK enthusiasts even though I give advantage to CRKs CS (less PITA to deal with a opposed to owner/agent shipping to Russia) and their relative simplicity of service as opposed to a Shiro.

To get back to your topic, yes there's a cult of Shiro owners who dabble in these knives for the purpose of Social Media. Some may be SM influencers and some private dealers or collectors dealing within their own clique community. But for an "average Joe" who may wish to get into a Shiro just for pure use without the vex and angst about re-sale value, yada, yada, both the F95NL (frame-lock Ti with micarta inlay and Elmax) and the F3 version (micarta with liner lock and Elmax) are VERY SOLID folder much superior to any CRK which I have owned. If one can be snagged on the secondary for the mid 5 Bill$ and the edge can be improved by a pro sharpener, that knife will most likely be the folder for most of us average plebs :D
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See, I totally understand that...and I also feel the same way about Rocksteads. If I see a user of either for a good price I fully intend to jump on it and full flat grind the snot out of it;)
 
WValtakis said:
See, I totally understand that...and I also feel the same way about Rocksteads. If I see a user of either for a good price I fully intend to jump on it and full flat grind the snot out of it;)
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I have been fascinated by Roackstead for as long as I've been fascinated by Shiros. The only reason I went for the latter is because that Rockstead's shiny shiny finish with my OCD and also my TOTALLY CRAP "ability" to sharpen anything with zero edge convex would drive me mental!
 
Casinostocks said:
I have been fascinated by Roackstead for as long as I've been fascinated by Shiros. The only reason I went for the latter is because that Rockstead's shiny shiny finish with my OCD and also my TOTALLY CRAP "ability" to sharpen anything with zero edge convex would drive me mental!
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Ya know...I could fix both those problems for ya:p
 
Well, Shiro definitely makes a good knife... but not good enough to justify the x3 price of the ZT. And compare to CKF I do believe CKF deliver much better for the money you spent.


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I bought one many years ago when it was still on washers and was not as popular as it is now. paid 400 for it. it was nice, well made and since then im sure it got much better,with the bearings and better machining,the lightening of the inside of the scales, I succumb to greed with it and wound up selling it for over 900 at the time,i don't regret it. In the end , its overpriced, un necessary,but one day im going to get another.You can say anything you want that's negative about them as do I,only in price, but they are still cool and theres certainly no shame or wrong in owning one. I think these knives are starting to come in second next to the Sebenza when it comes to the "is it worth it " thread, which CRK leads by a mile,i see Shirogorovs moving in second....
 
Officer's Match said:
I have yet to try a better made and better designed knife. My 95NL combines a Spyderco Military sized blade in a PM2 sized handle, with an extremely thin-behind-the-edge FFG, and the best flipping action I've ever felt. The micarta inlay on the titanium handle is the best executed I have ever seen, and the pocket clip design is also the best I've encountered - perfect retention, easy "re-holster", so flat/slim to the pocket it is completely door-jamb-proof. While I balk at the price of most of Shiro's other models, at $695 if feel the NL is absolutely on the money.
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I feel the same way. I used to carry my AFCK then I got a large Sebenza. The AFCK didn’t see my pocket much after that. Then I got a F95NL and the Sebenza got sold. I still have my CF inlay Sebenza but my plain Jane went to a new home. Now I have a CD F95 and it is amazing. I will carry it on certain occasions. But all my knives I carry.
 

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ChazzyP said:
OMG! I scratched up my F95T at work. :eek: There go all my Instagram followers and likes. :(

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Of course that's not nearly as bad as what carrying all those 2x12's and bags of concrete did to the roof and suspension of the Ferrari....
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You should throw that away. I have a trash can you can use. One another note. I need a bead to go with my new knife. Any suggestions
 
TRfromMT said:
If an electrical contractor walks I to my shop and says, "I need a hunk of 2" copper bar, 'bout 2 feet long, quarter inch thick." I'd say "twenty bucks, buddy, you got it."

If the procurement officer for NASA calls and says "We need some copper bar. It must be 0.250" thick, 2.000" wide and 24.000" +.0005/-.0010 long. It needs to be half- hard state with 1-mil silver wash." I'd say, "yes sir, that will be $400.00."

The two are almost the same, and most likely could serve the exact same application. But when you get to the details, if you know what to look for, they aren't the same thing at all.
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My thoughts exactly. Its like being a constuction worker and buying a cheap drill. Why? Get the good one, because its built to take it.
I own Shiros, actually a 95T in the pocket right now, and not for IG “likes”. I dont care who likes what i own or not.
I do like, however, checking out knives with great tolerances, smoothness, ergonomics, beauty...and i like when they keep those details when put to use.
My CRK’s are my go to...my Shiro’s are second...and i wouldnt even think of using my Spydie Nirvana like I do my Shiros and CRKs...it wont handle the pain! ;) Guaranteed.
 
if everyone liked same things it would be terrible . i do like the turtle thou , the rest which im sure are of great quality look like knives on cutlery tv or gun shows . now before i get flamed i mean they look like any other generic knife . thats not to insult anyone , its just my thinking.
but i might have to buy a turtle as soon as im done with my AR build . turtle just catches me
 
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