Why do you NOT leave positive iTrader feedback?

[Ratman79]

I have left positive feedback for everyone I have done business with. Most everyone reciprocates. A couple have not, and that's okay too. *I* leave feedback because I think it's a nice way to show my appreciation. I have no expectations nor do I feel that I'm entitled to it--if it happens, great; if not--no big deal.

How the person conducts him/herself during our transaction is how I judge character and decide on any potential future dealings. If a productive, timely and honest deal is the ice cream sundae, then feedback is the cherry on top.

 

[SevenOfNine]

I always leave feedback so I can't answer the question. I think it's the proper thing to do. It's the only thing that we all have to judge our potential transactions with. It certainly helps me choose who to buy & sell from and people know they can trust me as a potential buyer or seller with good feedback on my side so I have always taken part in the system.

If you leave someone positive feedback it's only proper that they leave it for you as well if you did everything to satisfaction/did your part. But that's just my humble opinion!

 

[HappyDaddy]

I don't see how you leaving Positive feedback for your positive transactions perpetuates any flaws.

I only meant that it perpetuates what I believe to be a badly flawed system that is too susceptible to misleading people. In my opinion there are too many situations for which the rules do not permit feedback that would shed light on the character of the parties.

 

[timw1]

As a buyer I will leave feedback after the seller does. If the seller does not post feedback why should I. I've had quite a few transactions where I bought a knife and left positive feedback for the seller and they did not reciprocate. As a buyer I have, and will always send the seller a PM or email confirming receipt of the knife, and confirm it's condition.

 

[KELAMA]

I don't see how you leaving Positive feedback for your positive transactions perpetuates any flaws. If you were honest then they are accurate representations of your transaction.

One thing that helps exacerbate the flaws in the system is when people neglect to leave the proper feedback that is deserved.

^ Perfectly stated! :thumbup:

 

[BD_01]

Very slightly off topic: As a new guy here who wants to participate, it's a little intimidating to consider leavening anything other than positive feedback--especially if you're buying from a highly rated member. I feel lucky that my limited number of transactions have been good for the most part. I can't help wonder if, overall, "neutral" should be utilized more frequently--especially after spending some time in the FEEDBACK forum.

Best regards and happy holidays!

 

[bigolegator]

I always leave Feedback and thus far it's been Positive :thumbup:
I'm fortunate to have dealt with some very good members on here and I believe it's a good system if used as intended.

 

[benchwarmer380]

I only meant that it perpetuates what I believe to be a badly flawed system that is too susceptible to misleading people. In my opinion there are too many situations for which the rules do not permit feedback that would shed light on the character of the parties.

I don't see that it does. Did they, or did they not deserve the positive feedback you left? You seem to be an honest person so I think it's safe to assume that they did. All that shows is that the one transaction they had with you went smooth. If they have another 50 positive transactions in a row and then decide to steal on the 51st, how could the feedback that you or anyone else have left predict that?

A few months ago when the feedback rules were more on the ambiguous side I would have agreed with you regarding the situations where you may or may not leave feedback were either limited or confusing. The recent change to the rules however, has expanded the window of when and why iTrader feedback may be left. It obviously won't and can't cover every situation that may arise but it is a move in the right direction.

These rule changes are useless if people do not use them and act. If people choose not or are afraid to leave a Neutral, a Negative or to start a GBU thread when it is deserved then we are the ones that are creating the flaws in the system.

 

[KELAMA]

Very slightly off topic: As a new guy here who wants to participate, it's a little intimidating to consider leavening anything other than positive feedback--especially if you're buying from a highly rated member. I feel lucky that my limited number of transactions have been good for the most part. I can't help wonder if, overall, "neutral" should be utilized more frequently--especially after spending some time in the FEEDBACK forum.

Best regards and happy holidays!

^ I'm fairly certain that I felt pretty much the same way, when I first joined BF's. Overall, 99% of all my BF transactions, have been with solid, very honest member's. There may have been maybe 3 or 4 transactions (knives that I purchased here), where I feel the seller wasn't completely forthcoming. I just wrote these experience off, as part of the learning curve. And I've learned to ask questions, when fit and finish details are left out of a sales thread.

I always leave Feedback and thus far it's been Positive :thumbup:
I'm fortunate to have dealt with some very good members on here and I believe it's a good system if used as intended.

^ It's member like you, BOG, that make the BF community and brotherhood, such a enjoyable place to enjoy this hobby! :thumbup: It's part of the reason why I came back from the long sabbatical (hiatus) I took away from BF's.

A few months ago when the feedback rules were more on the ambiguous side I would have agreed with you regarding the situations where you may or may not leave feedback were either limited or confusing. The recent change to the rules however, has expanded the window of when and why iTrader feedback may be left. It obviously won't and can't cover every situation that may arise but it is a move in the right direction.

These rule changes are useless if people do not use them and act. If people choose not or are afraid to leave a Neutral, a Negative or to start a GBU thread when it is deserved then we are the ones that are creating the flaws in the system.

^ :thumbup:

I personally would have zero problems leaving negative/neutral feedback.

Newer member's (like 4mer_FMF), I think would be more reluctant to roll the dice, by leaving negative/neutral feedback. A drama laced/negative situation, is the last thing anyone wants to be part of here, but especially when you're new.

MERRY CHRISTMAS!

 

[Chris Larrikin]

My purchases here have solely been from the custom makers. I don't know if feedback is as necessary or expected as it is elsewhere on the Exchange. Regardless I've been pretty bad in leaving feedback. I have left it sometimes but not always. At first it was because I didn't understand how but that excuse doesn't last. I have always emailed/messaged a massive thank you and often a "first impressions" review but I have at times been slack with itrader feedback.

I ticked "too lazy".

 

[bigolegator]

^ I'm fairly certain that I felt pretty much the same way, when I first joined BF's. Overall, 99% of all my BF transactions, have been with solid, very honest member's. There may have been maybe 3 or 4 transactions (knives that I purchased here), where I feel the seller wasn't completely forthcoming. I just wrote these experience off, as part of the learning curve. And I've learned to ask questions, when fit and finish details are left out of a sales thread.



^ It's member like you, BOG, that make the BF community and brotherhood, such a enjoyable place to enjoy this hobby! :thumbup: It's part of the reason why I came back from the long sabbatical (hiatus) I took away from BF's.



^ :thumbup:

I personally would have zero problems leaving negative/neutral feedback.

Newer member's (like 4mer_FMF), I think would be more reluctant to roll the dice, by leaving negative/neutral feedback. A drama laced/negative situation, is the last thing anyone wants to be part of here, but especially when you're new.

MERRY CHRISTMAS!

Thanks for the kind words my friend

 

[on_the_edge]

Very slightly off topic: As a new guy here who wants to participate, it's a little intimidating to consider leavening anything other than positive feedback--especially if you're buying from a highly rated member. I feel lucky that my limited number of transactions have been good for the most part. I can't help wonder if, overall, "neutral" should be utilized more frequently--especially after spending some time in the FEEDBACK forum.

Best regards and happy holidays!

I would like to reiterate what someone else sort of alluded to, which is that I don't think you should be intimidated by the system. Having been around the block many times here, I can tell you that while I have had many awesome experiences, they have not all been awesome by any stretch. A buyer drops off the radar and never acknowledges receipt of an expensive knife, or a seller "overlooks" describing some significant flaw by not overtly stating it in his thread, but he has a picture which sort of shows the flaw and you're left to see it yourself and then ask about it...bs like that. But thankfully those are very few and far between.

Outside of the iTrader question I posed, I have found this particular subforum to be very helpful in answering any question I might have where I am unsure of what the correct answer is. When in doubt, ask here and get a consensus from folks before you act. Then when iTrader finally comes into play for both parties and you each have the chance to leave some feedback, I think you will find a much less likely chance that either of you will be leaving negative feedback. At least that is what I have found.

 

[palonej]

I have only been a buyer on the Exchange......hate letting anything go!!
I have paid immediately every time, let the seller know the knife arrived and I'm happy with it as soon as it arrives. Have left feedback EVERY time. I'd say 20% of the sellers have not left feedback for me.
It isn't the end of the world, but I would have appreciated if they did leave a positive.
I had 2 transactions that sucked, but not bad enough to warrant a negative. Should have left a neutral, but I chose to blast the sellers in PMs. Felt much better!
Joe

 

[-Corey-]

As a buyer I will leave feedback after the seller does. If the seller does not post feedback why should I. I've had quite a few transactions where I bought a knife and left positive feedback for the seller and they did not reciprocate. As a buyer I have, and will always send the seller a PM or email confirming receipt of the knife, and confirm it's condition.

Perfect example of a person that has opposing views as me. The way I see it, if a buyer is satisfied with their purchase, they should leave positive feedback. If a seller leaves positive feedback first and then the buyer becomes a PITA to deal with (for instance; tries to file a bogus paypal claim or any number of other scam tricks), then the buyer would end up with some undeserved positive feedback. If the buyer leaves me positive feedback, then at least I have something I can refer to that shows the buyer was satisfied if they do try to play some sort of scam games. Like I said earlier, I don't stress too much about not getting feedback because I realize some folks are on the opposite side of the fence as me on this subject. But some of the people here seem to take offense to not getting feedback and hold a grudge for it. I think it's a bit silly, but so be it, everyone's entitled to their own opinion.

 

[GasMan1]

I have only one purchase recently on the exchange. I was satisfied and the seller has no reason to be otherwise AFAIK. I left positive feedback and never received any feedback at all. Oh well, I'll try to get over it. Maybe he's too busy. . Merry Christmas Everybody.

 

[seeverscpa]

I strive to leave feedback for every transaction I'm involved in. I also follow up with the counter-party and ask them to do the same.

Here is a very relevant post where a mod and others comment on the rules, proper use of, and inherent limitations of the itrader feedback system. It's a good read. http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1451762-*Issue-resolved

A forum member and myself had less-than-satisfactory results with a seller and per the rules of the itrader system, negative feedback was not appropriate in our two situations. But the mod does correctly comment that the 5-page thread will live on in perpetuity for future members to see. That assumes the future member knows enough to conduct research on the seller and that also assumes the read through the relative GB&U threads - there are lots of them.

 

[SevenOfNine]

Very slightly off topic: As a new guy here who wants to participate, it's a little intimidating to consider leavening anything other than positive feedback--especially if you're buying from a highly rated member. I feel lucky that my limited number of transactions have been good for the most part. I can't help wonder if, overall, "neutral" should be utilized more frequently--especially after spending some time in the FEEDBACK forum.

Best regards and happy holidays!

Don't be intimidated. Just leave the feedback as honestly as possible, that's the way I do it. If the other party did everything that is reasonably expected and the deal went off smoothly or above & beyond, then you leave positive. If somebody did a terrible deal, no communication and you had to pull teeth just to get it done then you say that.

I don't use neutral ever...I don't really see any in-between...either the deal gets done right or it's not. I'd be interested to know if/how others have utilized neutral.

The previous feedback on a member is great to judge who to deal with or not...but to me, it means nothing when it comes to your experience evaluation and what feedback you're going to leave. If they don't like your feedback then they should clean up their act and do a better job next time. That's how I look at it.

 

[SevenOfNine]

I have only one purchase recently on the exchange. I was satisfied and the seller has no reason to be otherwise AFAIK. I left positive feedback and never received any feedback at all. Oh well, I'll try to get over it. Maybe he's too busy. . Merry Christmas Everybody.

I would contact the seller and tell them you took the liberty of leaving them positive feedback and ask them if they had a chance to do the same; that being your first time purchasing it's important for you to have that feedback so other potential sellers have something from which to judge you...something of that nature.

Sometimes people may legitimately forget about it and just need a little nudge. From what I've heard with friends, I find most of the time that it's something like that, as opposed to them being jerks and not giving a damn. Of course not always.

I have had one transaction so far in my 1-month tenure at BF and it was above & beyond excellent. I left the seller positive feedback, told him after I left it, and he automatically left it for me. No haggling over it. Most people are decent.

 

[bigolegator]

Perfect example of a person that has opposing views as me. The way I see it, if a buyer is satisfied with their purchase, they should leave positive feedback. If a seller leaves positive feedback first and then the buyer becomes a PITA to deal with (for instance; tries to file a bogus paypal claim or any number of other scam tricks), then the buyer would end up with some undeserved positive feedback. If the buyer leaves me positive feedback, then at least I have something I can refer to that shows the buyer was satisfied if they do try to play some sort of scam games. Like I said earlier, I don't stress too much about not getting feedback because I realize some folks are on the opposite side of the fence as me on this subject. But some of the people here seem to take offense to not getting feedback and hold a grudge for it. I think it's a bit silly, but so be it, everyone's entitled to their own opinion.

I tend to agree...the buyer should leave Feedback first to make sure alls good with the sale etc. The seller can then reciprocate regarding his/her experience.

 

[bigolegator]

I have only been a buyer on the Exchange......hate letting anything go!!
I have paid immediately every time, let the seller know the knife arrived and I'm happy with it as soon as it arrives. Have left feedback EVERY time. I'd say 20% of the sellers have not left feedback for me.
It isn't the end of the world, but I would have appreciated if they did leave a positive.
I had 2 transactions that sucked, but not bad enough to warrant a negative. Should have left a neutral, but I chose to blast the sellers in PMs. Felt much better!
Joe

yeah I believe in trying to correct the issue before going the negative feedback route.