Why doesn't anyone make knives that compete with Cold Steel?

[Finarfin]

I wasn't trying to "debunk" anything. I was just showing Spyderco has folders with thick tips. If I want a Spyderco with a thick tip I can choose a different model, than the Manix 2. If I want a sharper point, I can choose the Manix 2. A knife is used most often for the cutting ability, anyway not just brute force.

Sorry, but you clearly intended to besmirch my posting, shall I repost your's? You posted a photo and postured it as evidence that my accurate description of the Manix 2's tip was fallacious, which was of course silly, as I had already posted a pair of images clearly detailing the fragile nature of it's tip....

 

[crimsonfalcon07]

Not that your pics actually show the knife, so it could be anything, and in any case, that doesn't look at all like the tip on either of mine. Sure, the tip on a Manix 2 is paper thin if you grind it down. It's not fragile in stock form...

 

[TxSxB]

Cold Steel markets it's knives in ways other companies don't and apparently sells plenty of knives doing so. And I guess the next time I'm out and about and need to cut a free hanging rack of ribs, stab my way through a car hood or hang obscene amounts of weight from the handle of my open and razor sharp knife...... Anyway I think that many companies produce knives that can and do compete with CS knives, the makers of these knives just don't go around making commercials where they're purposely abusing and misusing their products to make a cheap buck.

 

[Finarfin]

the descent into name calling identifies you as pure internet tough guy, we all know what thats worth, don't we?

You, are a sore loser, name calling was referring to me as a "mall ninja arm chair commando" with absolutely nothing of substance to base it upon, just your individual rage & frustration at me for having a viewpoint contrary to your own, I simply bid you, and the other young children good night....BTW. I almost forgot, you're the bully that tried to "ahh" "bully me" in my other thread, remember, you tried to scold me for having posted a thread you had deemed beneath your time to respond too, just as you've done here, yet you responded anyway didn't you, and had the sand you intended for my face kicked right back into your own.

 

[Dave Behrens]

You never said you wanted to pound your knife into a steel drum with a hammer, so take a look at the Spyderco Endura. Affordable, 4" blade, good steel (better than CS's AUS-8), thin profile, and the lock is as strong as any reasonable person will ever need.

I love my Spyderco Endura, I have 3 others waiting for duty once the one I am using, is done. Before my next statement, know this, I love Spyderco knives, Cold Steel Knives, Kershaw, etc(just not CRKT...sorry guys). That being said I have had a total of 3 lock failures on my Spyderco knives under "normal" usage; one on my Endura and 2 with 2 seperate Natives. I discovered the reason why for the Endura(and repaired it) and it is really too indepth to get into here, maybe another time on the Spyderco forum. Native failures unkown as the models I had could not be disassembled but I suspect it it was the same as the Endura.

I have had Cold Steel's liner lock fail but just as well I have had liners from pretty much everyone who produces them fail(it is a flawed/weak lock design IMHO). I have never had a Cold Steel normal lock-back nor Tri-Ad fail in any way even under "abusive" roles. I carry my Spyderco Endura mostly because of its slimness and light weightedness, and I love the ergos and "feel", colors ain't to bad either. It is my opinion however, if you want the best folder for the most reasonable price and that includes the best(for the money) toughness, cutting perf, lock-strength, edge ret, ergos, then Cold Steel wins hands down.

 

[Finarfin]

Do you even own a Manix 2?

I do, and "shazaam, shazaam" I actually posted images of it that clearly demonstrate just how thin the tip of the blade is. Thats all I've done, post a few images, and challenge the presentation of a certain folding knife as something that it very definitely is not. Friends?

 

[Finarfin]

Not that your pics actually show the knife, so it could be anything, and in any case, that doesn't look at all like the tip on either of mine. Sure, the tip on a Manix 2 is paper thin if you grind it down. It's not fragile in stock form...

Sorry, but my posted images clearly illuminate that the tip is extremely thin, and they do break with such regularity that Spyderco will not warranty it, they'll just grind it down for you...Mine is exactly the same as your's, and if you've a Manix 2, your tip is impossible to mistake for "heavy duty!"

 

[like em sharp]

Sorry, but my posted images clearly illuminate that the tip is extremely thin, and they do break with such regularity that Spyderco will not warranty it, they'll just grind it down for you...Mine is exactly the same as your's, and if you've a Manix 2, your tip is impossible to mistake for "heavy duty!"

Right... so what are you doing with your knives that it's a problem?

Oh, and Cold Steel doesn't warranty broken tips either. Nor does Benchmade. Or Sog. Or Kershaw. Or CRKT. Or Buck.

The "Spyderco will not warranty it" is a load of BS of an argument. Stop stabbing trees or trying to pry with your knife and it's not a problem.

 

[Planterz]

EDIT: Nevermind. Enough time wasted on him already.

 

[Tsujigiri]

Finarfin, read more and post less. You're arguing against people who have a lot more experience than you do with knives based on how you think something looks. Spreading unfounded opinions and preaching mall ninja gospel will just aggravate people here. And better trolls than yourself have fallen back on calling everyone else children before, with little to no success. Take a look at the Whine and Cheese forum to see what I'm talking about.

And as for Spyderco only grinding down blades, that's not because they break too often. They're a small company with manufacturing spread out in various countries, so they say that replacing parts like that would be too difficult. They seem big because they're inordinately popular among knife enthusiasts, but they really have only a few employees and specialize to a limited market.

 

[Gator97]

They make good user knives really, different strokes I always say.

Like I said in earlier post, they do make a few good, budget knives, but as far as other companies not being able to compete with them... I find that highly unlikely.

 

[CalBearTactical]

LMAO @ clowns considering "mall ninjas" to be people who buy cold steel knives......SMH.so basically mall ninjas are people that support knives with tri ad locks so they don't get injured from a knife malfunction.GTFOH knife snobs.

Mall Ninjas are the ones that buy cheap knives and swords etc. from swap meats and liquor stores.

 

[Planterz]

LMAO @ clowns considering "mall ninjas" to be people who buy cold steel knives......SMH.so basically mall ninjas are people that support knives with tri ad locks so they don't get injured from a knife malfunction.GTFOH knife snobs.

Mall ninjas like Cold Steel because they see them stabbed through car hoods on youtube. Others like them because they're affordable and strong. Not everybody who wants a strong affordable knife is a mall ninja.

Mall Ninjas are the ones that buy cheap knives and swords etc. from swap meats and liquor stores.

They buy those too.

 

[orca8589]

I agree with the OP on blade length. I hate getting a knife that has a lot of handle, and a short blade that could have been longer.

I just got a Recon 1 in a trade, and it's about all the outdoor folder I'll ever need. I disliked Cold Steel for years, then got one in a trade, and I've had at least eight of their various models over the last five years. For their market niche, they can't be beat, IMHO.

I don't know about that. The one Cold Steel knife I have fails every spine whack test I do, and doesn't deploy very rapidly in self defense situations.

It works pretty good for food prep though.

What this world needs is a "Tactical Stockman".

And 'spine whack tests' are for sissies & mall-ninjies. I 'edge test' my EDC on my forearm. No lock failures yet. (And the doctors say I can go home next week, after the stitches come out & the nerves re-knit. )

~Chris

 

[allyourblood]

For example my ideal edc is a 4 in blade folding knife with a pocket clip with a strong locking mechanism for security.

As already stated, the Spyderco Endura fits this description very well (just a hair short, but you said that'd be okay). Under $60 shipped.

 

[Sword and Shield]

Comparing the functionality of the paper thin Manix 2 tip to those of a Cold Steel American Lawman, or Recon1 Tanto, is certain to end in failure for the Spyderco.

Define functionality.

Thin, delicate tip, so not suitable for daily use? Don't know what some of you guys are doing, but my daily use can be construction. The thickest blades I use are either a standard stockman or a Bullet lockback, about half as thick as your "delicate" blade. Never broken a tip, never had a lock fail. My daily use over a summer can include using it to chisel doorjambs for locks, scrape aluminum burrs, strip and break wire and a bunch of other tasks. A thick tip to me is less functional- less precise, harder to refine to the point needed.

Please, expound on your "hard use". I'm certain those of us who work in the trades would be thrilled to hear how the basic Buck 110, Case stockman and cheap Camillus scout-utility fail daily.

 

[CalBearTactical]

@jedi391 u should just stick with cold steel if they are the only company that has the tri ad lock mechanism....and some time next week they will be announcing their new 2012 lineups with 9 brand new folder designs,so u will most likely have quite a few choices for new folders if they are over 4 inch blade length.

 

[marthinus]

I have a hard time thinking of the Spyderco "Mainx 2" as hard use, there's a review here on this forum somewhere where they expose it's delicate lock, as well delicate....

Forgive me if this has been mentioned.

There are also reviews and videos where the manix 2 is beaten and still holds up. If one researches the topic even further the BBL has been improved to stop failure seen in the video.

 

[darthsoaker]

Looks like we got ourselves a platinum troll here... doesn't happen too often...

 

[jedi391]

Everything I've heard about Spyderco is that they are gret well made knives and I don't doubt it. The problem I have is that I don't like the way they look. I know it's just cosmetic but I want to like the way it looks. Not a shot at Spyderco's quality, it's just looks thing for me.