Why doesn't Busse include sheath??

I think Jerry stopped offering sheaths cause there are too many folks wanting different sheaths for the same knives. Simply offering different sheath choices sounds easy but who is gonna eat the cost on the ones that don't sell? I know it can be inconvieniant now but there are planty of sheathmakers out there for whatever choice you want. That being said I too wish they came with something other than cardboard. At least something useable to get you into the field :)

Agreed. Even something thats not super expensive. Like he used to offer cordura sheaths with his original Steel hearts, I am not talking about a $100 dollar sheath.
 
whats a "strider" ? :confused: :confused: :confused:

I have absolutely no idea.

however, whatever this "strider" is I will reiterate about cordura sheaths that have kydex inserts:

-buying kydex inserts and modifying them would require a section of the shop to be dedicated to the task. that section could just as easily be used to keep the production flow of the knives going faster and more efficiently. you still might not get a perfect fit.

If a company has a knife or series of knives that they have in production for several years, you can purchase a large quantity of a kydex insert style sheath that the maker knows fits that particular knife or series of knives.

however. if they make 4 version of that same knife, a 3/16 version, a 1/4 version, and a 5/16 version, then they need 3 versions of that sheath.

now, if they have (like busse does) 30 different knife models - then they need 30 or more different sizes of sheaths. now, assume that each given model is only going to be in production for 3 months, so instead of buying all of the sheaths at once, you now have to buy a stock of 3-6 different sheaths every three months, varying in size from production run to production run. maybe the sheath maker will have what you need, maybe they won't.

you can only hope they do, cause if they don't your production schedule is going to be set back, maybe 2 weeks, maybe 5 months. depends on the sheath makers production schedule. why would you need that many sizes of sheaths? won't one sheath fit multiple knives? yes and no. it will sorta fit knives that are longer or shorter. not knives that are wider, and not knives that are thicker. if the knives are thinner, or less wide, then chances are it will be floppy in the sheath and customers will complain.

but wait, busse can't have 30 different knife models... they couldn't possibly have that many production runs within the past 4 years. yep - heres a very, very, very off the cuff list off the top of my head of the different production runs of knives (10 knives or more) that would require a specific size of sheath:

1 - SF Natural Outlaw
2 - sow version (slightly less tall blade)
3 - Active Duty
4 - fat Active Duty
5 - off duty
6 - Force One
7 - NARK
8 - 1/8" presentation grade NARK
9 - Meaner Street
10 - Leaner Meaner Street
11 - model t version
12 - Game Warden
13 - Fusion Steel Heart
14 - heavy heart
15 - moash
16 - fmoash (slightly less tall blade)
17 - Force one
18 - Satin Jack TAC
19 - sjtacle
20 - Badger Attack TAC
21 - batacle
22 - Fusion Battle Mistress
23 - fbmle
24 - ffbm
25 - ak47
26 - ruck kensai
27 - skeleton key
28 - ash1
29 - ash1 le
30 - the thicker version of the game warden
31 - sus scofa
32 - war boar
33 - hell razor


Busse is unique in that they are a production company that runs like a semi-production custom shop. they produce more knife models then a normal production company, and still have a completely custom section of their bussiness.

If you can think of a company that produces as many knife variations as busse does - in the QUANTITY that busse produces them, I'd like to hear it (just out of curiosity sake, i'm not trying to insinuate they don't exist, I'm just somewhat limited in my knowledge of the knife world).

the only example I can think of is bark river, and I don't know if they produce as many knives, or wether they include sheaths with their orders.
 
almost forgot to add the biggest one of all - coating issues.

that was a doozy for a while. "my knifes coating is getting worn off form kydex - your sheath is defective. I want new coating."

same for leather sadly. busse combat really doesn't need to deal with such things, and being that they are a company that cares about customer service, they would try to deal with as much as possible.

I was going to say this, but saw that you did. Thanks, and I agree.

Some are afraid of a knife thats not "PERFECT"
Me too.......sometimes.
 
I understand where the "I'd like a sheath for this price" comes from BUT guaranteed that if Busse did offer sheaths - then the threads would be "wish Busse would eliminate the (insert your preferred sheath material) and lower the price" ... or "wish Busse could just ship me my knife but they have to wait for the sheaths to be ready". Can't really say there is a right answer here- just preferences.

Reminds me of when high end bicycles started shipping without pedals. I wish i had a dollar for every budget minded person that would look at a $3,000 bike and smirk.."and it doesn't even come with pedals!" Those bike makers learned long ago that the high-end bicycle buyer was going to want his/her own pedals and adding their own was a waste of time/money for everyone. It doesn't suit everyone - but most people understand it eventually I think.
 
:pSHUT UP .

They don't come with sheaths--big deal!

Get over it:p:p:D:thumbup:
 
tomorrow we get to drink all day!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hear Hear!!
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not that my opinion matters, but I agree that it would be nice to get a sheath off the bat.

But then again, I understand wanting your own sheath,customized to your liking.

what if busse offered a kydex sheath option for like 30.00 extra with a teklok? They don't take much to make and they are cheap as far as materials.

that way the budget minded person could get a decent sheath without the long wait for a leather maker and it would be a BUSSE sheath.

I am sure this has been mentioned, and probably in this thread. Just makes sense to me.

brett
 
:pSHUT UP .

They don't come with sheaths--big deal!

Get over it:p


Yea!!!!!!!! T.
agreed !

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Im gona get ready for st. Patties day, pre game today. Get Fuc:eek:ed up tomorrow.. And then off to Colorado I go....
If I don't post here anymore, something bad happened...:thumbdn:...

Jarvis Out !!!!!!!
 
what if busse offered a kydex sheath option for like 30.00 extra with a teklok? They don't take much to make and they are cheap as far as materials.

It does actually take a fair amount of work to make a functional kydex sheath. if your going to make a decent sheath, as apposed to a ghetto garage "just to keep the edge away from my clothes" type sheath, you need a person who is good at drilling straight, someone who is good at setting up a stamp press, someone who is good at doing hand held modifications for the blades that don't fit quite right, and someone who is good at edging and finishing the sheaths.

it's a 30 minute to 3 hour process depending on what equipment you have, how many workers you have working on one sheath, and how good you want it to look. I can make a really crappy sheath in 30 minutes with a dremmel, pipe clamps, c-beams and some sand paper, but it will be a crappy sheath. nothing I would ever sell to a customer. ever. if busse did sell sheaths, they would have to have a disclaimer with every single sheath stating "this will mar your coating and satin/dcbb finish. we will not refinish your knife if you use this sheath." and I'm sure busse would still feel obligated to refinish the knife if the customer was unhappy enough.


unless busse was willing to expand their shop operations to include a dedicated sheath making production line - it is a lose lose situation for the company. by taking up valuable machines, space and man power They are detracting from the knife production side of the company, and taking work away from individual sheath makers who need the money (especially in these uncertain financial periods).

I whole heartedly beleive that busse offering sheaths with their knives is a very bad idea.




also, looking at knifekits.com, the price of materials at an online retailer rate to make one single sheath for a battle mistress (if you don't mess up on it) is between 25-40$ after shipping. you'll have extra rivets left over, and you'll have to devise your own press set up.

at 30$ a sheath, busse would either be breaking even, or losing money on every single sheath they made.
 
It does actually take a fair amount of work to make a functional kydex sheath. if your going to make a decent sheath, as apposed to a ghetto garage "just to keep the edge away from my clothes" type sheath, you need a person who is good at drilling straight, someone who is good at setting up a stamp press, someone who is good at doing hand held modifications for the blades that don't fit quite right, and someone who is good at edging and finishing the sheaths.

it's a 30 minute to 3 hour process depending on what equipment you have, how many workers you have working on one sheath, and how good you want it to look. I can make a really crappy sheath in 30 minutes with a dremmel, pipe clamps, c-beams and some sand paper, but it will be a crappy sheath. nothing I would ever sell to a customer. ever. if busse did sell sheaths, they would have to have a disclaimer with every single sheath stating "this will mar your coating and satin/dcbb finish. we will not refinish your knife if you use this sheath." and I'm sure busse would still feel obligated to refinish the knife if the customer was unhappy enough.


unless busse was willing to expand their shop operations to include a dedicated sheath making production line - it is a lose lose situation for the company. by taking up valuable machines, space and man power They are detracting from the knife production side of the company, and taking work away from individual sheath makers who need the money (especially in these uncertain financial periods).

I whole heartedly beleive that busse offering sheaths with their knives is a very bad idea.




also, looking at knifekits.com, the price of materials at an online retailer rate to make one single sheath for a battle mistress (if you don't mess up on it) is between 25-40$ after shipping. you'll have extra rivets left over, and you'll have to devise your own press set up.

at 30$ a sheath, busse would either be breaking even, or losing money on every single sheath they made.

NEVERMIND> I read you above posts. It makes sense about the vast number of models they make. Never really looked at it like that.

Makes sense,
Brett
 
Hmm, Bark River manages to get sheaths for their knives and they have more variety than Busse. However, I would have never gotten into purchasing custom sheaths if it were not for my Busse knives not coming with any, so personally I'm glad they don't come with sheaths. Once you've had a custom sheath, everything else suffers in comparison.
 
Hmm, Bark River manages to get sheaths for their knives and they have more variety than Busse. However, I would have never gotten into purchasing custom sheaths if it were not for my Busse knives not coming with any, so personally I'm glad they don't come with sheaths. Once you've had a custom sheath, everything else suffers in comparison.

bark river's production runs are much longer, correct? in other words bark river has a line that is in production, and that run doesnt only last a few months.

busse's production protocols are such that a run only lasts a few months, and there are also many variations in shape and thickness to account for.

i think trying to offer sheaths with their current production runs would be a losing proposition.
 
I believe Jerry has said his piece on the subject at hand. That being said, it is alright to cover it again for those that are new. It is also fine for those of us who would like things to be a little different to discuss it in our public forum. I'm not sure that what we have to say will be proactive, but we all tend to discuss our desires a lot when it comes to our blades and all their trimmings even when we know it won't bring a certain blade or style back.:rolleyes:
I know for a fact that nothing compares to a custom sheath, but it would be nice to have something more useful than a piece of cardboard when the knife comes. But, that is why I keep Spec-Ops and lots of Gorilla Tape on hand.:thumbup:
 
bark river has 42 variations on their website, and they get around some of the variations by offering one size fits 6 knives leather pouch style sheaths. these are similar to what swamp rat gave out with the original line of resiprene c knives (I don't know if they still do).

I punctured through the leather the first time I inserted my bandicoot, and quickly cut it down to be something else because I didn't want to use it as it was. I had instant complaints, and it wasn't reliable in housing the knife, which is it's only purpose.

bark river has production lines, which are are sold mostly at distributors. they do do custom runs, but most of their custom runs that I've seen are various handle materials rather then thickness's. They do have a custom section of their business, but I don't know if it's a complete custom shop like busse has. In order to offer sheaths for the actual production line, busse would have to either stock as many sheaths as they expect to use, and try to get extra if they run out at the end of the production run, or buy as many sheaths as they can in the variety of sizes and hope that they fit the future runs of thicker or thinner versions.

and then deal with having extra's left over from production runs that are no longer in production.

busse might be able to use the pouch style one size fits 6 variations of a knife type leather sheaths, but I would expect the majority of buyers would complain about quality of the sheath on a regular basis. and taking money out of the hands of custom sheath makers still stands.

the 33 knife list I posted is off the top of my head and not all inclusive of the past 4 years. I'm positive that I could bulk it out to be more then 42.

I honestly don't think bark river has more variety then busse. if you include the custom shop, I would bet my money on busse.
 
For a sheath to provide safe, secure, durable carry it just plain has to fit the specific knife. That's true whether it's leather, kydex, ballistic nylon, lined or unlined. If it doesn't fit you'll never be satisfied with it, it may end up being trashed by the knife, or you may very well lose your knife. Worse yet, you may end up puncturing some precious bodily part !
Ask Mike Stewart about his search for a sheathmaker for his knives -- and they're still only a cut above the old ones! I got started making sheaths for my own knives, only because I was tired of carrying expensive knives around in sheaths that I didn't like and didn't trust.
Jerry's solution may not be the one that everyone likes, but it does give everyone a choice. I know that all of us who are privileged to have our pictures on his websites under "Sheath Options" will make every one of your sheaths a choice you'll be glad you made.

Mike
 
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