Why don't chris reeve and mick strider do what hinderer does?

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hardheart said:
You should foremost keep in mind that CRK and Strider are production companies. I think Strider puts out more customs than CRK does as well. CRK wouldn't want to let their production designs be produced by another production facility because that is what they have already. Custom makers can do as they will as long as they can get a little bit of the materials necessary. They do small runs with one or a handful of people. But when you produce thousands of an item, for a certain price, with an expected cache involved, then you have a hard time messing with that. A Sebenza is not hard to find. An Umnumzaan is listed for sale right next to other full production knives. What sells them is the perceived quality.

They don't have a trademark look or patent to use to sell CRK knives. They have 'CRK quality'. There is nothing difficult in making a knife look like a Seb or Umnum, so there is no technology or secret to license. The market for CRKs is for people who want the build quality, more or less. They don't have a trademark round opening hole, they don't have an exclusive INFI steel, they don't have a patented axis lock. Anyone can use the frame lock, and there are already a ton of knives with ~90% the quality of a Seb. If you can get that quality, with the look, for half the price, then the mass produced CRK Sebenza is cannibalized by the joint venture. That last 10% of quality that takes the extra care and man hours is what makes a CRK. There's not too many examples of CRK folders, so the 'look' of a CRK folder is less tangible than the 'feel'. And if you replicate the 'feel' of the fit and machining, then you replicate the price - negating the reason for a factory collaboration. It would be more like Buck letting M-Tech do a 110 collab to keep price down on an already well priced knife, or letting Kershaw do a 110 collab and keeping the price the same and not helping anyone.

Strider has produced more patterns and is sold more on aesthetics and visible features like striping, nightmare grinds, gunner grips, etc., so coming up with designs for collaboration has been done more often with more companies by them. A Buck Strider doesn't look too much like a ZT Strider.
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I guess if they made a production knife too you wouldn't get their warranty. You got to be paying a decent amount for the warranty right?
 
hardheart said:
You should foremost keep in mind that CRK and Strider are production companies. I think Strider puts out more customs than CRK does as well. CRK wouldn't want to let their production designs be produced by another production facility because that is what they have already. Custom makers can do as they will as long as they can get a little bit of the materials necessary. They do small runs with one or a handful of people. But when you produce thousands of an item, for a certain price, with an expected cache involved, then you have a hard time messing with that. A Sebenza is not hard to find. An Umnumzaan is listed for sale right next to other full production knives. What sells them is the perceived quality.

They don't have a trademark look or patent to use to sell CRK knives. They have 'CRK quality'. There is nothing difficult in making a knife look like a Seb or Umnum, so there is no technology or secret to license. The market for CRKs is for people who want the build quality, more or less. They don't have a trademark round opening hole, they don't have an exclusive INFI steel, they don't have a patented axis lock. Anyone can use the frame lock, and there are already a ton of knives with ~90% the quality of a Seb. If you can get that quality, with the look, for half the price, then the mass produced CRK Sebenza is cannibalized by the joint venture. That last 10% of quality that takes the extra care and man hours is what makes a CRK. There's not too many examples of CRK folders, so the 'look' of a CRK folder is less tangible than the 'feel'. And if you replicate the 'feel' of the fit and machining, then you replicate the price - negating the reason for a factory collaboration. It would be more like Buck letting M-Tech do a 110 collab to keep price down on an already well priced knife, or letting Kershaw do a 110 collab and keeping the price the same and not helping anyone.

Strider has produced more patterns and is sold more on aesthetics and visible features like striping, nightmare grinds, gunner grips, etc., so coming up with designs for collaboration has been done more often with more companies by them. A Buck Strider doesn't look too much like a ZT Strider.
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Mick Strider is a custom maker foremost, and one of the better ones around, with more than a few awards under his belt. :)
 
But Strider Knives is a production company. I don't think any threads asking to compare CRKs or mid-tech XMs to Striders is talking about $2000+ customs. And in that, Strider already has a lower cost outlet for designs, their own company.

I wouldn't mind a custom Emerson, but I wouldn't trade a good Spyderco for an EKI. I hope the OP is talking about the production versions of all these names.
 
hardheart said:
But Strider Knives is a production company. I don't think any threads asking to compare CRKs or mid-tech XMs to Striders is talking about $2000+ customs.

I wouldn't mind a custom Emerson, but I wouldn't trade a good Spyderco for an EKI.
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Yeah I know. :D

Just thought I would throw that one in because some don't know about Mick Strider in that light beyond their standard lines.
 
hardheart said:
But Strider Knives is a production company. I don't think any threads asking to compare CRKs or mid-tech XMs to Striders is talking about $2000+ customs. And in that, Strider already has a lower cost outlet for designs, their own company.

I wouldn't mind a custom Emerson, but I wouldn't trade a good Spyderco for an EKI. I hope the OP is talking about the production versions of all these names.
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yea im talking strictly production models not customs.

I dont want this to have any more drama in it though, im not saying its anyone's fault that it happened, i know im half to blame (only say that because it takes 2 halves to have an argument). Can we just talk more so about what good or bad could come from this? (i dont agree that any bad could but i will refrain from being a jerk like i was and just provide points on my opinion instead of just arguing that im right.)
 
SomeNewGuy said:
yea im talking strictly production models not customs.

I dont want this to have any more drama in it though, im not saying its anyone's fault that it happened, i know im half to blame (only say that because it takes 2 halves to have an argument). Can we just talk more so about what good or bad could come from this? (i dont agree that any bad could but i will refrain from being a jerk like i was and just provide points on my opinion instead of just arguing that im right.)
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There has to be a perceived need or real need to do it from the start so the maker like Chris Reeve would have to want to do it or need to do it.

Makers like Chris Reeve have a niche and a solid reputation built up over decades so they can sell their knives at the price level that they do and they don't need to cater to the lower end market.

Some have done collaborations for various reasons over the years, could be name recognition to build a reputation for their brand, could be financial to get funds for upgrades or expansion, new equipment etc or various other reasons.

Bottom line is they have to want to or really need to do it or they just won't.
 
Ankerson said:
There has to be a perceived need or real need to do it from the start so the maker like Chris Reeve would have to want to do it or need to do it.

Makers like Chris Reeve have a niche and a solid reputation built up over decades so they can sell their knives at the price level that they do and they don't need to cater to the lower end market.

Some have done collaborations for various reasons over the years, could be name recognition to build a reputation for their brand, could be financial to get funds for upgrades or expansion, new equipment etc or various other reasons.

Bottom line is they have to want to or really need to do it or they just won't.
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I already heard that from chris..
 
You have 10 pages of answers to your questions. The phrase "flogging a dead horse" comes to mind...
 
So why don't you stop wasting everyone's time and just save your "questions" for Chris?
Since you guys are so close and all.
 
james terrio said:
You have 10 pages of answers to your questions. The phrase "flogging a dead horse" comes to mind...
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Thank you. Why is it these new guys think they have thought of something the makers never have? Especially the ones that don't want to spend more than $40 or $50 bucks so they think "collab"?
 
I read the first page, then I also read the tenth page. After that I stopped reading.

The short answer is that CRK and Strider have their own companies and do what they damn well please, and make what they feel like making.

If you don't feel like buying it, then don't.

Maybe Ferrari and Lamborghini should start making economy cars too, that way the mail man can drive one like everyone else.
 
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