Why don't chris reeve and mick strider do what hinderer does?

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Ankerson said:
Those knives are $385.......

It's the secondary market with those huge markups that make them more expensive, and the fact that they aren't available in large quantities.

Hardly the same as Strider and CRK.
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Not my point, does the Gerber and Hinderer colabs make the XM18 any less or make Rick any less respected?
 
SomeNewGuy said:
No i think i did, CRK and Strider knives are more common then xm 18's. I don't think anyone understood the point of my post.
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Yeah I think we all do....

And it's been answered, and more than once.
 
Alright I give up.. Aprently Chris reeve and strider would demean themselves and make their high end semi custom production knives worthless and devalue their brand completely ruining their business and cause themselves to catastrophically fail if they colaberated with other companies like hinderer does. Rick hinderer is a god among knife makers and some sort of super being apparently because he can do it and still be perfectly fine and respected but no one else can.

Im done.
 
Ankerson said:
Yeah I think we all do....

And it's been answered, and more than once.
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Agreed. Topic has been discussed very much in depth. There are some very good threads out there to be found by searching.

The ZT0300 and 0350 series are the result of a collaboration between 2 successful knife companies (Strider and ZT/KO)
The ZT0550 series and 0560 series are the result of a collaboration between Rick Hinderer and ZT.

Aother point of oncern when it comes to collaborations as explained to me by Sal Gesser himself, both parties have a stake in the matter. Wo is going to manufacture the knives? Who will oversee the QC aspects? Who will oversee the marketing, and cover the research and development costs? All of these questions have an impact, and make things difficult.
 
SomeNewGuy said:
Alright I give up.. Aprently Chris reeve and strider would demean themselves and make their high end semi custom production knives worthless and devalue their brand completely ruining their business and cause themselves to catastrophically fail if they colaberated with other companies like hinderer does. Rick hinderer is a god among knife makers and some sort of super being apparently because he can do it and still be perfectly fine and respected but no one else can.

Im done.
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That's not it at all....

They don't do it because they don't have to and or they don't have a perceived need to do it currently.
 
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Dont fix it if it aint broke! Like someone else said they dont want their names on or associated with crappy steel!
 
RevDevil said:
Aother point of oncern when it comes to collaborations as explained to me by Sal Gesser himself, both parties have a stake in the matter. Wo is going to manufacture the knives? Who will oversee the QC aspects? Who will oversee the marketing, and cover the research and development costs? All of these questions have an impact, and make things difficult.
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Yes, I was told the same thing by Sal, and more than a few times.

And I have been directly involved on more than one collaboration over the years behind the scenes so I know what a pain it all can be to make it happen, and it doesn't happen fast either.
 
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Part of the trick with Reeve is that he's built up a HUGE image for his knives as having the best build quality and fit/finish in the industry with however many consecutive years he's one the overall manufacturing quality award at BLADE. To collaborate on a less expensive knife would almost certainly require the fit/finish tolerances to loosen as well, and that could be damaging to his reputation. It may seem like a small thing, but in business small things are often HUGE. So when there's low benefit and high risk it's just not worth it.
 
FortyTwoBlades said:
Part of the trick with Reeve is that he's built up a HUGE image for his knives as having the best build quality and fit/finish in the industry with however many consecutive years he's one the overall manufacturing quality award at BLADE. To collaborate on a less expensive knife would almost certainly require the fit/finish tolerances to loosen as well, and that could be damaging to his reputation. It may seem like a small thing, but in business small things are often HUGE. So when there's low benefit and high risk it's just not worth it.
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Not when its just him making the design and anther company using the design, His knives made in his shop are what earned that reputation. His knives wouldn't suffer anything. But he would draw up a design specs make a proto-type show it to companies see who would do the best job with it sign a contract with them over seeing that the quality control was over seen in a very well manner that way you could get the CRK look and some what of a feel for it without jumping right into the 400$ price point.
 
Striderco said:
Dont fix it if it aint broke! Like someone else said they dont want their names on or associated with crappy steel!
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Hmmm.... Me thinks that Sal Glesser would be a bit put out if he heard someone say that he uses crappy steel. Granted the Byrd line and the Tenacious family uses Chinese 8cr13mov, but most Spydercos use good steel, and some use VERY high end steel. I don't see where a CRK/Spyderco colab would reflect poorly on EITHER company.

Although, I think that such a colab would most likely produce a limited production knife that would be quite expensive, and not affordable like the OP was looking for.
 
SomeNewGuy said:
Not when its just him making the design and anther company using the design, His knives made in his shop are what earned that reputation. His knives wouldn't suffer anything. But he would draw up a design specs make a proto-type show it to companies see who would do the best job with it sign a contract with them over seeing that the quality control was over seen in a very well manner that way you could get the CRK look and some what of a feel for it without jumping right into the 400$ price point.
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I doubt if it happened the knives would be in the price range you would be expecting as they would have to meet Chris Reeve's standards.... As his name would be associated with the said model....

Nothing is really THAT simple.
 
SomeNewGuy said:
But he would draw up a design specs make a proto-type show it to companies see who would do the best job with it sign a contract with them over seeing that the quality control was over seen in a very well manner that way you could get the CRK look and some what of a feel for it without jumping right into the 400$ price point.
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Why? He doesn't want to tarnish his reputation by selling something with "some what of a feel" for his current product. He sells his product. His product is what makes him successful.

Think of it this way...why isn't Gerber selling $400 titanium lockbacks.
 
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