Why don't chris reeve and mick strider do what hinderer does?

[KrisNZ]

"Wouldn't that be like gateway drugging into the expensive blades?[/QUOTE]"

Ha Ha!! 'wanna buy some blade lil' kid'

 

[hatchetjack]

Asking a question then continually disagreeing with the input will not get much response in the long term especially for a new member. Maybe sit back, watch the answers come in and appreciate the fact that you are being addressed.

 

[frenchmade]

Agreed

 

[SomeNewGuy]

Oh I wasn't saying you didn't! It was a broadly targeted statement. I can simply imagine a multitude of reasons why he might not be in the mood for collabs right now, and a lot of them have to to with things like brand concept, company mission, and even just not needing or wanting to capitalize on the opportunity. I'm sure it's not for lack of offers!

This thread got steered in the wrong direction. I was simply speculating on how successful and how it would do good things. All i did was toss out a idea and most of the comments so far have just been on how Chris reeve and Mick Strider are basically too good for any other company and they would tarnish their company's reputation if they sold anything shy of 400$.

Was simple speculation and ideas, not to be a flame-fest of trolling on how they are stupid for not doing it. Some of the people who are posting act like they personally chat with them and know exactly that's why they don't do it. I'm sure they have plenty of reasons why they don't, the whole purpose and reasoning behind this thread was on what could be accomplished and how it could help if they did.

 

[BladeChick777]

Idk what they were priced at but id buy one if they were reasonable. The only reason i don't buy something like a strider is because i don't or would i spend 450$ on a knife.

So this is what it comes down to. You want a Collab, so you don't HAVE to pay the price they want. They are well worth the price to several people, so why make a collab just so you don't have to pay it?
It took me over a year in knife collecting to finally get a Large Sebenza, now I'm planning to get a Small Insingo(they're that good to me).
If they did a collaboration, the specs would have to be what Chris or Mick want them to be. You're likely just going to get a REALLY expensive production when you could pay $100 more and get the real thing. So there's truly no point.
That's why the CRKT Sebenza didn't work out. It wasn't very good quality. Chris noticed this and didn't want his name on it/
Why, you ask?
Because Chris is known for his excellent quality. If his name is on something that is less than his specs and his buyers' expectations, people are going to be like "What the hell Chris?" and it starts to rub on his name. Then people will buy this poor quality knife and not want to buy his knives.

The same with Mick.

The Sage 2 was a Collaboration though.
It's a hell of a knife as well and it's priced great.
The reason it doesn't look like the Sebenza we all know and love is because while it has to be like the Sebenza, it also has to be a Spyderco.

 

[KrisOK]

No. They tooks hints from CRK on the frame (bead blasted titanium) and even the blade design.
The thing that you can't see past is the spyderco influence. If its a spyderco knife then it has to look somewhat like a spyderco.
Listen, you want a reeve/spyderco collaboration and this is what it looks like.
You don't have to buy it, but i don't think spyderco is making a sebenza any time soon

Actually, that knife was created to HONOR Chris Reeve and his intergal frame lock. Each knife in the Sage series honors a different knife maker and lock design. The sage 1 was for Michael Walker's Liner Lock, Sage 2 was for Chris Reeve and his Intergal Frame Lock, Sage 3 was for Blackie Collins and his Bolt Action Lock, and Sage 4 was for the Front Lock design that was made famous by Al Mar (Even though it was actually designed by Harvey McBurnett).

 

[SomeNewGuy]

So this is what it comes down to. You want a Collab, so you don't HAVE to pay the price they want. They are well worth the price to several people, so why make a collab just so you don't have to pay it?
It took me over a year in knife collecting to finally get a Large Sebenza, now I'm planning to get a Small Insingo(they're that good to me).
If they did a collaboration, the specs would have to be what Chris or Mick want them to be. You're likely just going to get a REALLY expensive production when you could pay $100 more and get the real thing. So there's truly no point.
That's why the CRKT Sebenza didn't work out. It wasn't very good quality. Chris noticed this and didn't want his name on it/
Why, you ask?
Because Chris is known for his excellent quality. If his name is on something that is less than his specs and his buyers' expectations, people are going to be like "What the hell Chris?" and it starts to rub on his name. Then people will buy this poor quality knife and not want to buy his knives.

The same with Mick.

Why do so many people buy the china fakes? They either cant afford the real price or don't want to spend that much on something without trying it. From what i can tell all the people who have the fakes have the real ones, and i know that the fakes aren't in anyway taking anything from Chris or Mick but they could take a lot away from those thieves in china if they just took that market away from them.

 

[Dane.Chichester]

Idk what they were priced at but id buy one if they were reasonable. The only reason i don't buy something like a strider is because i don't or would i spend 450$ on a knife.

So your justification for colabs is to get a feel for the knife/maker...which then tempt the individual to buy the next price point up, correct?

But here you state you won't spend $450 on a knife so what is the point of this arguement?

 

[SomeNewGuy]

Actually, that knife was created to HONOR Chris Reeve and his intergal frame lock. Each knife in the Sage series honors a different knife maker and lock design. The sage 1 was for Michael Walker's Liner Lock, Sage 2 was for Chris Reeve and his Intergal Frame Lock, Sage 3 was for Blackie Collins and his Bolt Action Lock, and Sage 4 was for the Front Lock design that was made famous by Al Mar (Even though it was actually designed by Harvey McBurnett).

If im not mistaken most of spydercos ti frame locks are called "RIL" for Reeve integral lock to honor chris reeves perfection of the frame lock?

 

[SomeNewGuy]

So your justification for colabs is to get a feel for the knife/maker...which then tempt the individual to buy the next price point up, correct?

But here you state you won't spend $450 on a knife so what is the point of this arguement?

At this point i wouldn't anyway. If you go back to my original post the reason behind this idea is how i feel, something cheaper like it desire more then feel as though the more expensive is worth it because you know what the lower quality can do and you cant wait to see how the best quality can be.

 

[KrisOK]

If im not mistaken most of spydercos ti frame locks are called "RIL" for Reeve integral lock to honor chris reeves perfection of the frame lock?

Right, just the SAGE series are specifically designed as a set to pay homage to these designers. That's where the SAGE in the name comes from. As in WISE, not the bush or the spice.

 

[SomeNewGuy]

Right, just the SAGE series are specifically designed as a set to pay homage to these designers.

Spyderco for the most part shows respect for every knife maker that they use designs from from what i can see, am i correct?

 

[BladeChick777]

And you're Still not getting it..
If Mick and Chris made a production to their specs, make it perfect like they make their own knives(they're perfectionists) then people will just buy the cheaper production version because it's to the same specs as the real thing and not even worry about moving up because it's the same quality.
And while they will make money off of those productions, they will NOT make money off of what they are known for, except from the people that already buy and love them.
The thing about a good company is they can always bring new people in. With a perfect production model, they can't.

 

[jaydub13]

At this point i wouldn't anyway. If you go back to my original post the reason behind this idea is how i feel, something cheaper like it desire more then feel as though the more expensive is worth it because you know what the lower quality can do and you cant wait to see how the best quality can be.

There are no shortcuts in life.... If you want the best quality, buy the best quality. Any attempt to make the best quality product cheaper would just cheapen the final product! This is why they exist, and why the price point is there. If someone could come into the knife industry and recreate CRK or Strider quality for $100, you'd never hear the end of it!

Buuuuut.... No one has. And I'm sure no one will. So pinch some pennies and save for the real deal, if you TRUPY want that quality level. Or don't. And be happy with the insane selection of production folders available at all levels of QC.

 

[KrisOK]

Spyderco for the most part shows respect for every knife maker that they use designs from from what i can see, am i correct?

I'm sure they do, but again, the Sage series was designed SPECIFICALLY as a homage series.

 

[marcinek]

Was simple speculation and ideas, not to be a flame-fest of trolling on how they are stupid for not doing it. Some of the people who are posting act like they personally chat with them and know exactly that's why they don't do it. I'm sure they have plenty of reasons why they don't, the whole purpose and reasoning behind this thread was on what could be accomplished and how it could help if they did.

I have yet to see anyone flame or troll you in this thread. You raised a point. People raised their own opinions about your point. Its how a forum works.

 

[hatchetjack]

Why do so many people buy the china fakes? They either cant afford the real price or don't want to spend that much on something without trying it. From what i can tell all the people who have the fakes have the real ones, and i know that the fakes aren't in anyway taking anything from Chris or Mick but they could take a lot away from those thieves in china if they just took that market away from them.

Your cousin should know about this one with the CRK he bought/received as a gift. Did he take money from either maker? Not directly but he did contribute to the stealing of intellectual property and someone else's R&D which you should understand with you knowledge of business.

I'm sure both makers have enough business sense to decide that this process did not work for them which is why you don't see it any longer. Besides, any collab/production piece is not made in their shop any longer so it is not the real deal anyway. Example: the Buck/Strider is a Buck knife that looks like a Strider. No one in the Strider shop in San Marcos ever laid a hand on building them.

 

[SomeNewGuy]

Your cousin should know about this one with the CRK he bought/received as a gift. Did he take money from either maker? Not directly but he did contribute to the stealing of intellectual property and someone else's R&D which you should understand with you knowledge of business.

I'm sure both makers have enough business sense to decide that this process did not work for them which is why you don't see it any longer. Besides, any collab/production piece is not made in their shop any longer so it is not the real deal anyway. Example: the Buck/Strider is a Buck knife that looks like a Strider. No one in the Strider shop in San Marcos ever laid a hand on building them.

Steal a design is wrong in every aspect, take a design and give credit for the design not the best thing in the world but not terrible either. Get approval and abide by the original makers rules its okay, as long as they have the approval.
The fakes are wrong legally, and morally. What chris did isn't my business but by buying a fake he did help fund thievery. More so then anything what makes the fakes the worst is the fact that they put identical markings on the knife, they don't even try to style the knife like a Sebenza or Smf they flat out try to rip them off and get people to think that there real. If they didn't try to make people think there real i think they would be less hated, Still stealing designs and patents, and more so then anything showing that they lack the ability or just too lazy to try to design something themselves and act as though its okay to steal the designs.

Also, i never claimed to be a business major or pro but I'm not completely ignorant to it either. I have a basic understanding on function and structure. That's only from first hand experience not going to school for it though.

 

[2 shot]

At this point i wouldn't anyway. If you go back to my original post the reason behind this idea is how i feel, something cheaper like it desire more then feel as though the more expensive is worth it because you know what the lower quality can do and you cant wait to see how the best quality can be.

You are right, your original post was how you feel they would gain by collaborating with other production companies. That doesn't mean that your feeling/thought on the matter are valid in the business world. Right?

 

[SomeNewGuy]

You are right, your original post was how you feel they would gain by collaborating with other production companies. That doesn't mean that your feeling/thought on the matter are valid in the business world. Right?

Never said that i was right in the business world, Just stated that it could be successful because it has been successful for other knife makers in the past.