Why Ganzo?

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I've noticed that over the last year or so, Ganzo Firebird knives are in the hot seat. Frankly, I cannot justify a legitimate reason for it. They are accused of "cloning" but quite frankly all Ganzo knives are plainly marked. There are many clones out there indeed, but Ganzo clearly names their products.
Why is it that Ganzo seems to be in the forefront of this controversy? Is it like they do something different? or is it more likely that they supply affordable blades? I firmly believe it's the later, since it's easier to degrade the competition than to reduce cost and in turn prices.
Now I can hear you saying the steel is more expensive, yet the Firebird knives have been tested and hold up quite well in comparison. In fact, in some specific cases, GF knives have proven superior in steel quality. I do freely admit early designs were mostly copies of historic* designs. Sorry Benchmade, those designs were here for years.
I'll give you folks a chance to strike back momentarily. First I'd like to present a example. The famous Benchmade (sorry, I'm not picking on you) Bedlam knife. It is obviously a "stolen design" as per Ganzo. This is nothing more than a Persian style blade. Other companies (besides Ganzo) make this style knife including but not limited to;Emerson,Boker, Spyderco, Bram Frank, ZT, Cold Steel, and CKRT to name but a few.
So..... why Ganzo? I don't see Benchmade getting rapped for copying the handle of the Case folding hunter. Hell, I don't see any bi@tchin 'cept about Ganzo. Personally I think it's unfair. If one wants to but a $1,000.00 American made knife, one still can. Ganzo is not even competing with these knives. That holds true for all the Benchmades, Spyderco's, etc. Ganzo, as I see it, just offers folks a inexpensive well made alternative. And as far as copy cats go, have every company live by the rules they want to set for Ganzo and I'll bet we see very few new knives on the market.
My hope, is that both Ganzo and American knife manufacturer's step it up to bring us more great knives. Ganzo is serving a purpose today. They are making high end knives that even a beginning collector can afford.
 
They are the most popular brand of Chinese tactical knives, and the early knives most certainly were direct line for line clones of known designs. So they are going to catch the brunt of it. Once you get branded as copyist, it's really hard to shake it.

I will admit who gets branded with it is very fickle though. Blackjack / Bark River have been knocking off Randall, etc.... for years, but they hardly ever get called out for it like the Chinese.
 
So because Ganzo isn’t directly competing with the knives it steals designs from and that it is unfair that some American knives cost $1000, it’s ok for them to steal designs? I’m sure even you think that sounds like nonsense when hearing it straight. That said, Ganzo has been moving to original designs the last few years. Good for them.
 
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They are the most popular brand of Chinese tactical knives, and the early knives most certainly were direct line for line clones of known designs. So they are going to catch the brunt of it. Once you get branded as copyist, it's really hard to shake it.

I will admit who gets branded with it is very fickle though. Blackjack / Bark River have been knocking of Randall, etc.... for years, but they hardly ever get called out for it like the Chinese.
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Even Case knives have copied designs. I doubt that even one American company can say they have not copied a design. In fact most knife designs date back to antiquity.
 
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So because Ganzo isn’t directly competing with the knives it steals designs from and that it is unfair that some American knives cost $1000, it’s ok for them to steal designs? I’m sure even you think that sounds like nonsense when hearing it straight. That said, Ganzo has been moving to original designs the last few years. Good for them.
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name ONE American or any other country for that matter that HAS NOT copied.
 
Jim_Archibald said:
My hope, is that both Ganzo and American knife manufacturer's step it up to bring us more great knives. Ganzo is serving a purpose today. They are making high end knives that even a beginning collector can afford.
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So...If someone steals your car, and I buy it from them...that's OK. It's a great car I can afford!

You are entitled to your opinion.
So are all of us.
You are not entitled to calling the opinions of those who disagree with you. "striking back" or "bi@tchin."
 
Do you work for Ganzo? This post seems like the kind of :poop: they like to take on our hobby.
Traditional designs that were never patented, or had their patents expire are fair game for designs. It's not that a blade has a "Persian" origin that makes it a copy. It's when it has a Persian style blade, an exact or almost exact handle shape, pin placement, same location of jimping and thumbstud placement etc. that it become a stolen design.
 
Other established knife companies produce classic knife patterns with their branding front and center. They knives they make have been in the public domain for generations and there's no grey area.

Ganzo and it's ilk use deceptive practices to copy and counterfeit current production knives and copy trademarked and patented features and then provide them to agents grey market sell them as the real deal.

On top of that their quality is less than you pay for. They're a blight who should be stamped out.

Every few months they prod a shill to come on here and try to normalize their criminal activities with the tired old lies about how everyone does it and their products aren't junk.

The opposite happens of course and they get slapped down again. This is a net benefit to the community as it shines a light on the cockroaches scuttling around in the dark.
 
how the mainland cutlery enterprises work
is almost akin to a mysterious hydra.
many names and no return addresses.
there must be some trurh in that some
entities had claimed to have had oemed
for a couple of foreign names
and than it somehow ends up running foul
with their former clients at some point.
well if its an attempt at discredit
it would be only temporary, as the
global market for low cost knives
is way larger than any one brand...
they will evolve.
 
Jim_Archibald said:
First I'd like to present a example. The famous Benchmade (sorry, I'm not picking on you) Bedlam knife. It is obviously a "stolen design" as per Ganzo. This is nothing more than a Persian style blade. Other companies (besides Ganzo) make this style knife including but not limited to;Emerson,Boker, Spyderco, Bram Frank, ZT, Cold Steel, and CKRT to name but a few.
So..... why Ganzo?
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Hopefully you will hang around long enough to understand why that claim is untrue.

While, yes, many companies have made knives with upswept blades, they have not made ones with the exact same blade shape, handle shape, lock, and scale texturing as a BM Bedlam. With their G712.....Ganzo has. That's theft.

Let's look, for example at the Emerson Persian. Different blade shape, different handle shape, different blade grind, different lock, etc etc than the Benchmade. Hence...not theft.
 
Jim_Archibald said:
I've noticed that over the last year or so, Ganzo Firebird knives are in the hot seat. Frankly, I cannot justify a legitimate reason for it. They are accused of "cloning" but quite frankly all Ganzo knives are plainly marked. There are many clones out there indeed, but Ganzo clearly names their products.
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So if I steal your car and say its mine, it is?
 
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