Why have locking single-blade folders replace stockman/barlow/pen style knives?

I still carry my penknives because they are slim.
I think the pocket clip on locking back folders has been a big plus. One handed opening too.
For any real tough cutting work then its a fixed blade, even a small one, for me.


Call me old fashioned but I still think the time it takes to get out and open a folding knife is thinking time to how to do the job safely.

Lastly, I'm 50 years old and been to a few places and never needed or thought much of a folding knife as a weapon. So to me all the tacticool stuff is wasted on me.
 
Just the same for me.

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A minimum of two blades, a "normal", sheeple friendly, routinely used blade for almost everything, everywhere
Usually packing more than one "tool", like a SAK

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And the additional carry for that .1% that may happen, be it an emergency, a life saving situation or plain self preservation and confidence build-up.

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Not everyone can/wants to carry a gun. Of course, YMMV!

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I don't think I've ever told you what a great bunch of gear you have!!! I see you post all the time and just expect it to to be cool I guess!!! :thumbup: :thumbup:
 
I still carry my penknives because they are slim.
I think the pocket clip on locking back folders has been a big plus. One handed opening too.
For any real tough cutting work then its a fixed blade, even a small one, for me.


Call me old fashioned but I still think the time it takes to get out and open a folding knife is thinking time to how to do the job safely.

Lastly, I'm 50 years old and been to a few places and never needed or thought much of a folding knife as a weapon. So to me all the tacticool stuff is wasted on me.

I am starting to like the small traditionals. But I still pretty much am fixed on the large SAKs (111mm), All the other stuff fits me to a tee.
 
This is what you end up with when you get to my age! They all get rotated and some go with specific dress. The Al Mar GunStock has been on my Pheasant shooting belt for 20 years. I always have a penknife as its legal carry pretty much everywhere. There is something for every occasion, plus I have a few more and my fixed blades:

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said to be great design well loved by many

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modern version, said to be horrible design and dumb

Just pointing that out


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This is what you end up with when you get to my age! They all get rotated and some go with specific dress. The Al Mar GunStock has been on my Pheasant shooting belt for 20 years. I always have a penknife as its legal carry pretty much everywhere. There is something for every occasion, plus I have a few more and my fixed blades:

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That is a great selection of folders for rotation, you have good taste, the Almars, the David Boye, The Black Mamba :thumbup: is that pen knife a Bruckmann? Baker makes a great single back spring canoe, it's very pocket friendly.

I think all your knives are up to the tasks at hand and offer a nice blend of modern and traditional. You carry like most of the older folks carry who watched the evolution of the modern pocket knife. You see the best in both and exploit each type for their best task/use, nothing wrong with carrying more than 1 knife. ;)
 
T Erdelyi, you know your knives too it seems.

The Blackjack Mamba, I actually bought another for my son as its one of my favourite pocket knives of all time. When it comes to Sebenza's I prefer the large as thats the one that works so well.
I'm not sure why but some of the more modern knives I've tried I've not had much luck with as they haven't faired well.
To me a folder has to be comfortable to carry in a pocket, or very un-intrusive on a belt; best in a pocket though. I do like Opinels and Sydercos are excellent too. I think my next might be a Mnandi, as it has so much style.
As I said earlier, opening a folder is thinking time for how to get the job done... and done safely. The steel is far less important than a knife that fits and you enjoy owning, whatever that might be.

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It's largely a question of likes or preference.

I have a couple of Moderns, a Mini Grip and a Spyderco. I find them useful, to an extent but I don't have any interest in them whatsoever, they are functional (in places) and about as alluring as a screwdriver. Just tools like a box-cutter or craft knife, anon. They also tend to be oversized...

I have dozens of traditionals from many countries, I like their inviduality and huge variety of patterns and handle materials. I like the aesthetics and feel of most of them, many times non knife people have complimented my Traditional knife, nobody ever said anything about the Moderns. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but it never goes out of fashion. And, we all like knives here whatever our tastes:D:thumbup:

Thanks, Will
 
I think it has much to do with marketing, and a little bit with engineering. In the old days a locking knife blade was hard to make, and hard to make reliable, and hard to make affordably enough to make them practical for mass production. If you wanted a real hard-use knife you got a fixed blade, whether it be for hunting (gutting, field dressing, butchering, administering a coup-de-grace to a wounded animal) or self-defense/combat. Folding pocketknives were for more mundane cutting where you didn't really need a locked blade, because peeling an apple, whittling a stick, or cutting a steak were not things that were likely to cause the blade to fold on you. By-and-large nobody had locks and nobody had ever had locks, you just learned to use your folding knife properly, whether you were a WW2 GI or a French peasant in the year 1700.

Then Buck introduced the 110, soldiers in Vietnam discovered that not only were they pretty good hunting knives and capable of other pocketknife tasks, but they were also combat-capable.

Various companies, including Spyderco and others, perfected the various locking mechanisms and began marketing these knives aggressively, and their marketing was fueled by good profit margins, because a modern flipper is a lot easier to mass-produce, more cheaply, than the relatively labor intensive traditional slipjoint, which requires a lot more finesse to make in a way that feels high quality.

Fast, one handed opening with a lock, and made from some new, stainless super-steel sounds a lot more interesting for the same price than some relatively cheap-feeling Case with a lot of obvious QC issues, so over the course of the 80s and 90s, the new knives took over the market, especially with younger folks who are more apt to go for knives sold with an angle of tacticool, indestructible, etc.

Of course, nowadays we typically don't have to cut half of what grandpa did on a daily basis, so we don't usually notice the fact that the modern knives with their fat blade stock for batonning or using as a prybar, or aceing those marketing torture tests, frankly suck for a lot of cutting tasks, compared with grandpa's old Case. But either is equally good for cutting a thread on your shirt, or opening a box, or plastic bubble packaging. So today it's all a matter of personal preference, whether you like the idea of a bulletproof Spyderco, or the silky feel of a Sebenza, or the studied elegance of a stag trapper slipjoint. But the marketing wave heavily favors the former these days.
 
I think it has much to do with marketing, and a little bit with engineering. In the old days a locking knife blade was hard to make, and hard to make reliable, and hard to make affordably enough to make them practical for mass production. If you wanted a real hard-use knife you got a fixed blade, whether it be for hunting (gutting, field dressing, butchering, administering a coup-de-grace to a wounded animal) or self-defense/combat. Folding pocketknives were for more mundane cutting where you didn't really need a locked blade, because peeling an apple, whittling a stick, or cutting a steak were not things that were likely to cause the blade to fold on you. By-and-large nobody had locks and nobody had ever had locks, you just learned to use your folding knife properly, whether you were a WW2 GI or a French peasant in the year 1700.

Then Buck introduced the 110, soldiers in Vietnam discovered that not only were they pretty good hunting knives and capable of other pocketknife tasks, but they were also combat-capable.

Various companies, including Spyderco and others, perfected the various locking mechanisms and began marketing these knives aggressively, and their marketing was fueled by good profit margins, because a modern flipper is a lot easier to mass-produce, more cheaply, than the relatively labor intensive traditional slipjoint, which requires a lot more finesse to make in a way that feels high quality.

Fast, one handed opening with a lock, and made from some new, stainless super-steel sounds a lot more interesting for the same price than some relatively cheap-feeling Case with a lot of obvious QC issues, so over the course of the 80s and 90s, the new knives took over the market, especially with younger folks who are more apt to go for knives sold with an angle of tacticool, indestructible, etc.

Of course, nowadays we typically don't have to cut half of what grandpa did on a daily basis, so we don't usually notice the fact that the modern knives with their fat blade stock for batonning or using as a prybar, or aceing those marketing torture tests, frankly suck for a lot of cutting tasks, compared with grandpa's old Case. But either is equally good for cutting a thread on your shirt, or opening a box, or plastic bubble packaging. So today it's all a matter of personal preference, whether you like the idea of a bulletproof Spyderco, or the silky feel of a Sebenza, or the studied elegance of a stag trapper slipjoint. But the marketing wave heavily favors the former these days.

There were locking knives before wwii the problem was they were still the same size as a stockman. Anything that requires a locking blade was likely too much for a stockman to handle. Locking knives are so popular because fixed blades become less and less socially acceptable. Go out to one them double digit population towns and no one has a locking folder just fixed blades and trappers. Locking folders are pretty much just socially acceptable fixed blades now.


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Go out to one them double digit population towns and no one has a locking folder just fixed blades and trappers.

Pretty sure that ain't true at all.
I've seen locking folders on farms and in small towns too.

People buy them because they have a lock, and they want a knife with a lock.
It's that simple.

As far as fixed blades for me, I like the large ones.
For knives with blades up to 4.5 inches, I prefer folders (locking ones) even when out in the woods.
 
There were 4" lockbacks made in Sheffield in the c19th, likely similar lockbacks from France too , so they have been around for a long, long time. Say 140 years or more. But it is true that the Buck 110 made the larger lockback feasible and iconic. I don't like them as they have too much brass...and too big, but they are a very important knife of change.
 
I think most people want to one handed deployment, for work or what have you. I have a buck 110 that I barely carry because when I'm at work, I usually only have one hand free and don't want to stop what I'm doing to open a knife. But I think the Barlow and stockman style blades are fantastic
 
Ive tried going traditional. #1 reason I prefer modern is for a pocket clip. I just don't like things bouncing a round in my pockets. #2 is one hand opening. It's much... handier. Haha. I guess I prefer a locking blade for safety purposes but I always use my knives in ways that don't necessarily test the locking mechanism.
 
OK I am late to this discussion, I got 5 pages in and was yet to see anyone challenge the statement that modern knives have replaced older traditional styles. Forgive me if I missed anything.
But I guarantee that Victorinox and Opinel sell WAY MORE knives every year than all of BM, Spyderco, Kershaw etc. combined.
Our community on BFs is a tiny part of the knife carrying public.
I know lots of folks who edc knives and none of them ever visit our forum. Many of them EDC SAKs.

Traditional knives still outsell anything tactical.
 
OK I am late to this discussion, I got 5 pages in and was yet to see anyone challenge the statement that modern knives have replaced older traditional styles. Forgive me if I missed anything.
But I guarantee that Victorinox and Opinel sell WAY MORE knives every year than all of BM, Spyderco, Kershaw etc. combined.
Our community on BFs is a tiny part of the knife carrying public.
I know lots of folks who edc knives and none of them ever visit our forum. Many of them EDC SAKs.

Traditional knives still outsell anything tactical.

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I think most people want to one handed deployment, for work or what have you. I have a buck 110 that I barely carry because when I'm at work, I usually only have one hand free and don't want to stop what I'm doing to open a knife. But I think the Barlow and stockman style blades are fantastic

The 110 is super easy to open one handed.

So easy it might get you arrested in NYC.

Pinch and drop.

Or, pinch and hook rear bolster on your thigh.
 
Ive tried going traditional. #1 reason I prefer modern is for a pocket clip. I just don't like things bouncing a round in my pockets. #2 is one hand opening. It's much... handier. Haha. I guess I prefer a locking blade for safety purposes but I always use my knives in ways that don't necessarily test the locking mechanism.

I agree with Archie right here. I tend though to just drop my knives in my pocket and let them bounce around. Around the house though I usually just wear boxer briefs which incidently have no pockets. I always keep a knife on my especially around the house as I am always opening things or cutting things for the kids. These days a Spyderco Delica fills that role and is clipped IWB.
 
I haven't read through all of the pages, but to answer the questions posed by the title, because they're more convenient. I don't want to have to dig around in my pocket, fish out a knife, use both hands to open it, then have to use both hands to reclose it. I don't need any other reasons, that's it right there: because I want to unclip a knife from the inside of my pocket, flick it open, cut, then close it and reclip it inside my pocket all with one hand. You're not doing that with a traditional. Modern knife, though? Simple, easy, and quick. That's for me.

I have several traditionals, and I think they're neat but I hardly ever carry them.
 
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