Why have locking single-blade folders replace stockman/barlow/pen style knives?

A lockback knife is just as "traditional", in my opinion, as a 3-blade stockman. The lockback also has the advantage of locking for use when drilling a hole in a piece of wood or for other uses where a folder might close on a person's fingers. The lockback cannot replace a fixed blade, but it is slightly safer than a slipjoint. I must confess that the coolness of opening the slipjoint sometimes appeals to me but there are legitimate reasons for for using the one hand opening feature. When working in a tree or on a boat, the one hand opening feature can be really useful and not just "cool".

For me, a lockback is always in my pocket and is available for one hand use. For other uses, I have a Swiss army Knife in a nylon pouch on my belt. Both are useful knives and both are cool enough for my purposes.:D
 
I do agree. However, when the hottie in the office asks for a knife to cut a loose string on her sweater I rarely see anyone come out with anything other than a Leek, Mini-Grip, Spyderco, etc..

The "hottie" will typically reach for scissors, and not ask one of the guys to trim a random thread. That is what the "hotties" at my work place do anyway, or they just pull their own knife and take care of it themselves.. As to the original question, I think that modern patterns are in higher demand and advertised much more than your traditional Barlow or Trapper. I don't pretend to know what a person is carrying in their pockets, I generally make it a point not to ask and I won't pull my knife to cut something for someone else. That is a good way to get yourself into unwarranted trouble, depending on the situation that is.
 
This little Fallkniven PC is what I consider a modern traditional, it's an upgraded sodbusters.
So it is possible to blend a proven shape with modern steel, it handles and feels like a sodbuster.
It has a liner lock & a Lam.CoS laminated blade steel, but lacks the modern assisted gadgetry.
This ones been doing garden chores today.

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This little Fallkniven PC is what I consider a modern traditional, it's an upgraded sodbusters.
So it is possible to blend a proven shape with modern steel, it handles and feels like a sodbuster.
It has a liner lock & a Lam.CoS laminated blade steel, but lacks the modern assisted gadgetry.
This ones been doing garden chores today.

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That's a good example of the right way to modernize a traditional, but I wouldn't call it in any way a form.of sodbuster.
Still a nice looking knife though 👍
 
@Insipid Moniker: It's worth noting that one of the biggest cultural changes in the US (and th global economy) starting in the 1950s was the intentional adoption of an economic policy of consumerism, as a way to keep the WW2 factories running. Google "The Story of Stuff" for a quick thumbnail sketch.

@Sodak and Carl: It's worth noting that Buck offers the 110, 112 and the 501 in S30V. The Knives Ship Free Northwoods series has some modern steel offerings. Carl, I believe that one of Frank's favorite knives is his 501 in S30V. I could see you carrying something in that size range.
 
Why have locking single-blade folders replace stockman/barlow/pen style knives?
They haven't.

The reason you "very seldom see someone whip out a "traditional" style pocketknife anymore" is because guys carrying traditional slip joints rarely "whip" them out. The simply pull them out, use them for the task and hand, then slip them back into their pockets.


I think the most common knife is a swiss army knife and it has relevant tools. They do not lock and they cannot be opened with one hand.
Some do lock and some can be opened with one hand.


People prefer modern folders because:

-they're way faster to use
-pocket clips
-have locks, take more abuse
-they're larger
-self-defense fantasy?
-they have way more cool factor to the average Joe
-What's the need for speed?
-I prefer no pocket clip because it wears pockets unnecessarily and too quickly. Been there. Done that.
-Many of us don't abuse knives, so have no need for one that takes more abuse.
-There are much better self defense tools.
-Cool is in the eyes of the beholder.


Now Adays the traditionals are the novelty. Once you beat on a strong modern knife it's hard going back. Some just beg to be abused.
No knife begs to be abused. If you are abusing a knife you ought seriously consider using another tool for the task at hand.


It's all personal preference aided and assisted by marketing, knife forums, etc. Carry whatever you want and like and quit worrying about what type of knife is "more popular" or which has "replaced" something in popularity.
Agreed, but then we can't go all gaga speedily searching high and low on the internet for the privilege of paying too much for the latest flavor-of-the-month, whatever that may be, "modern" or "traditional".
 
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That's a good example of the right way to modernize a traditional, but I wouldn't call it in any way a form.of sodbuster.
Still a nice looking knife though 👍

I missed my chance to get a Queen country cousin and wasn't really interested in case's steel or GEC's 1095. It had to be stainless, so this is what I finally choose to get.

There seems to be an unfilled gap in knives, you can find traditionals in 1095 and a few traditionals in 154CM to D2. Moderns with all their gadgetry and blade shapes with no apparent use are common.

It's that in between knife with a blend of modern materials and a more traditional shape that is hard to find.
I'm hoping that will change as more people realize the ability to chop a cinder block, is not what makes a good knife.
 
I switched because the locker is a better weapon than the penknife. I can't always ccw a pistol, but the knife is almost never not on me, Unless I know that I'll have to pass thru a metal detector. Anybody who's going to be upset by my choice of blade is somebody I wont be hanging with, anyway.
How can you ever CC a pistol considering the time you bragged on BF of your solitary confinement ("I've several times spent 5 months in a solitary cell...")? Can you even legally carry a locking knife?

Anyone else smell fish around here?
 
Most don't dislike trads they tired of hearing how a 6 dollar knife is superior in every way.
Truth be told, most of us just don't want to admit to ourselves that the $6 knife will meet the vast majority, if not all, of our knife needs.
 
I switched because the locker is a better weapon than the penknife. I can't always ccw a pistol, but the knife is almost never not on me, Unless I know that I'll have to pass thru a metal detector. Anybody who's going to be upset by my choice of blade is somebody I wont be hanging with, anyway.

Here at least is an honest post addressing the gorilla in the room. I'm willing to bet that the majority of the 'modern' folders are sold with the weapon aspect in mind. Most won't admit it, but it's there. They will spout off on how it can take more abuse, or how it is more convent to open if you're up on a ladder, or some other stuff. But when you boil it all down and examine whats left in the pot, it's the weapon aspect of it that sell s the 'modern' knife. You can open it in flash, and stab through whatever you need. That's okay, I believe in being armed and able to protect myself or my family. That's one reason I uprooted myself from Maryland to Texas, and could live in a state that issued me a CCW.. Just be honest about it.

But I'd like to know where you can't carry a gun that you can carry any knife that amounts to much? Airport? I don't think so. Court house? No way. Last time we flew, the better half forgot the little Victorinox classic in her makeup kit, and TDSA rooted it out and it went in the bin. My 34 3/4 inch Irish blackthorn walking stick didn't even gets a second glance. You want to carry a knife as a weapon, that's okay, it's a free country. It's just a bit silly to justify it with some of the reasons put forth.
 
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But I'd like to know where you can't carry a gun that you can carry any knife that amounts to much? Airport? I don't think so. Court house? No way.

Without getting into the weeds of Texas knife laws: Bars and restaurants that have over 51% of revenue in alcohol sales, as long as the blade is under 5.5 inches.

Most folks I know that carry a knife at all, carry a one-hand-opener clipped to their pocket, as well as a slipjoint in their pocket. Different tools for different tasks. I don't think of my Mini-Grip as a weapon, but I have a (possibly irrational) anxiety of getting tangled up in something that I'd have to cut my way out of. Like a seatbelt or sleeve caught in machinery, and I did once get my pants cuff caught in my bicycle chain....

However, in the course of a day, I do almost all of my cutting, whittling, scraping with a traditional slipjoint.

The point is, I don't think old style knives have been replaced, and I like having the option to carry and use both.
 
IMO single blade locking folders are just so much more effective and can get the job done. I used old timers and SAK's for a while, but after being bitten one too many times or losing a piece of a blade (I worked them pretty hard) I knew it was time to find a locking blade.
 
Without getting into the weeds of Texas knife laws: Bars and restaurants that have over 51% of revenue in alcohol sales, as long as the blade is under 5.5 inches.

Most folks I know that carry a knife at all, carry a one-hand-opener clipped to their pocket, as well as a slipjoint in their pocket. Different tools for different tasks. I don't think of my Mini-Grip as a weapon, but I have a (possibly irrational) anxiety of getting tangled up in something that I'd have to cut my way out of. Like a seatbelt or sleeve caught in machinery, and I did once get my pants cuff caught in my bicycle chain....

However, in the course of a day, I do almost all of my cutting, whittling, scraping with a traditional slipjoint.

The point is, I don't think old style knives have been replaced, and I like having the option to carry and use both.
Of course and all 30.06 and 30.07 signs must be obeyed. Got that. And do you really want people carrying guns in an environment where a good number of patrons may be intoxicated?:eek:

But in those locations, if something happens, what good is a knife going to be? A restaurant gets robbed by gun toting criminals, is some 4 inch bladed one hand wonder going to be any good? Really? If you're in a bar and somebody does get on your case for some real or imagined insult, do want to introduce a knife to the problem if you can't diffuse the situation, or just smash a beer bottle across his nose and end the problem right there? Again, the under the table weapon aspect of the thing is there. The "modern' or 'tactical' knife as a non firearm backup. If you are in a bar or other establishment that makes 51% of the revenue from booze, then there's beer bottles, beer pitchers, bar stools, pool sticks, pool balls, forks, dinner plates and a host of other objects that will do real damage to the human anatomy if applied with gusto. And there won't be the aftermath of legal trouble like if you stab someone.

As for being entangled in machinery, I spent the last half of my working life before I retired, as a machinist. Worked with milling machines, lathes, drill presses, surface grinders, and punch presses. Some of the machines would take fingers off in the blink of an eye. I never saw or heard of someone becoming entangled, but I did see one man loose a thumb to a fly cutter on a Bridgeport mill, and another young man Amputate his right index finger with a Buck 110 that he was leaning on. He was told twice to knock it off by a supervisor, but just after lunch, he did it agains and the lock let go. He'd said "It's a Buck knife, it'll take it." Well he was wrong. It was a case of misplaced trust in a locking mechanism. As far as machinery goes, were short sleeve shirts, no rings, bracelets or wrist watches. Proper prior planning prevents piss poor performance.

Again, carry what you like because you like it. But too much of the stuff floating around sounds too much like thin justification. Like the car nut trying to justify his using a Porsche 911 to commute to work, rather than a Toyota or Honda. He should just admit he drives a Porsche just for the fun of it. For many years I rode BMW motorcycles. They didn't do anything that a Honda wouldn't do, but I just loved the design and the way it felt on the road. Personal preference, nothing more. In fact, the Honda may have been a better bike, and the few times I did need to make repairs, the cost of the BMW parts was outrageous. But I did stay with it because of that personal preference.

Knives and guns are all like that. That's why Baskin-Robbins has 31 flavors of ice cream.
 
IMO single blade locking folders are just so much more effective and can get the job done.
Depends on the job. Many of the "modern" ones won't peel an apple well or slice a tomato. Can't realty whittle block of basswood or a cherry stick very well with one. You'd also be hard pressed to connect two sticks with a dovetail out in the field with one. Hard to split a bird or fillet a fish with many of them too. You might be able to do it but will make a mess of the animal.

Yes, the modern single blade locking folders are just so much more effective and can get SOME jobs done better but are much less effective and perform rather poorly for other jobs.
 
Of course and all 30.06 and 30.07 signs must be obeyed. Got that. And do you really want people carrying guns in an environment where a good number of patrons may be intoxicated?:eek:
That has proven to be a non-problem in VA for a long time know.
 
Of course and all 30.06 and 30.07 signs must be obeyed. Got that. And do you really want people carrying guns in an environment where a good number of patrons may be intoxicated?:eek:

But in those locations, if something happens, what good is a knife going to be? A restaurant gets robbed by gun toting criminals, is some 4 inch bladed one hand wonder going to be any good? Really? If you're in a bar and somebody does get on your case for some real or imagined insult, do want to introduce a knife to the problem if you can't diffuse the situation, or just smash a beer bottle across his nose and end the problem right there? Again, the under the table weapon aspect of the thing is there. The "modern' or 'tactical' knife as a non firearm backup. If you are in a bar or other establishment that makes 51% of the revenue from booze, then there's beer bottles, beer pitchers, bar stools, pool sticks, pool balls, forks, dinner plates and a host of other objects that will do real damage to the human anatomy if applied with gusto. And there won't be the aftermath of legal trouble like if you stab someone.

As for being entangled in machinery, I spent the last half of my working life before I retired, as a machinist. Worked with milling machines, lathes, drill presses, surface grinders, and punch presses. Some of the machines would take fingers off in the blink of an eye. I never saw or heard of someone becoming entangled, but I did see one man loose a thumb to a fly cutter on a Bridgeport mill, and another young man Amputate his right index finger with a Buck 110 that he was leaning on. He was told twice to knock it off by a supervisor, but just after lunch, he did it agains and the lock let go. He'd said "It's a Buck knife, it'll take it." Well he was wrong. It was a case of misplaced trust in a locking mechanism. As far as machinery goes, were short sleeve shirts, no rings, bracelets or wrist watches. Proper prior planning prevents piss poor performance.

Again, carry what you like because you like it. But too much of the stuff floating around sounds too much like thin justification. Like the car nut trying to justify his using a Porsche 911 to commute to work, rather than a Toyota or Honda. He should just admit he drives a Porsche just for the fun of it. For many years I rode BMW motorcycles. They didn't do anything that a Honda wouldn't do, but I just loved the design and the way it felt on the road. Personal preference, nothing more. In fact, the Honda may have been a better bike, and the few times I did need to make repairs, the cost of the BMW parts was outrageous. But I did stay with it because of that personal preference.

Knives and guns are all like that. That's why Baskin-Robbins has 31 flavors of ice cream.

Don't get me wrong, jackknife. I wasn't making the case that a knife is a good weapon to use in a bar. I was just citing the law. It's perfectly legal to sit in a beer garden and sharpen your pocketknife around here, and I think that's pretty cool.

As to being entangled in machinery: I acknowledged that it's an irrational anxiety. :D What if my scarf gets caught in a bus door, and I'm being dragged? :eek: What if my shoelace gets caught in an escalator? :eek: What if someone ties me with duct tape but forgets to check my pockets first? :rolleyes:
 
Unlike most here, I'm fond of small gentleman's traditional lockbacks. Of course I have many other knives too, but much of the time the little buggers work fine for pretty much anything I do at work, at social engagements or even on the ranch. Of course, sometimes it just isn't the right tool for the job so there are bigger knives and such.

However, there is one activity where I specifically choose something else. I have 7 boys (mostly grown now) and like any decent father I have taken them fishing quite a few times over the years. I believe, but cannot prove that there are flaws in our understanding of the laws of physics. I have seem things happen with a young man's fishing line that just cannot be explained using conventional science. There may be some quantum mechanics spooky action at a distance going on that could explain it, but I'm just a poor old dumb farm boy.

Anyway, when it comes to fishing with young boys, one needs a knife that can be deployed while one is in a contorted position with a hook or lure embedded in their backside and at least one fishing pole in the other hand with a fish on. It will be needed to deal with impossible wads of fishing line that need cutting to save some stupid favorite lure in a tree while holding a Batman fishing pole.

I didn't even know the Caped Crusader was a fisherman. If so, I think he needs better equipment and a one handed knife.
 
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