Why is my big box $3.00 throw-a-way knife (made in China) WAY sharper than my online bought Spyderco

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Well, you've had trouble every other way, and don't seem to want to send it out, so..
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Since you dislike the knife, you shouldnt mind this and this WILL get it sharp enough to easily cut paper.
 
MolokaiRider said:
Just throwing this out there but that feature is to purposely catch your pockets to “wave” open and deploy directly out of the pocket. It does double as a bottle opener which is kinda neat.

The hollow grind not being full flat and the shape of the knife lends to a more robust blade. I agree it’s not as slicey but that’s inherent to the grind.

But if it’s not a good fit for your purposes I totally get it.
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Yup I realized this after I bought it.

I literally just Google searched for knife with bottle opener, and that's how it was advertised. Not as a quick deploy. After it snagged everything I wear I researched Emerson equipped knives and found what the true intended purpose of that extension was, just not what was listed on the Amazon posting. Oh well, live and learn. No harm no foul.

So while it may be easy for some to employ hindsight and mock me for this (not what I'm saying you did at all), my gripe is valid as results may vary and philosophy of use is individual based, however my gripe should be with the Amazon seller not Spyderco. I really hate this knife, passionately. Although I kind of want a Manbug like crazy. Lol

Honestly though, I find this quick deploy a very dangerous and ill-conceived creation. I would never purchase another such product, as it has also cut me a few times just pulling it out, as well as cut through some clothing. Very poorly designed if you ask me.
 
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fq55 said:
Sorry but you don’t know what your talking about in this post.

You are describing a Spyderco waved Emerson Delica or Endura. It is not a flipper and it does not have a bottle opener.

It’s made specifically to catch on you clothes to open and it sounds like it’s working as designed.

These have a Sabre grind and they aren’t the best slicers but they were not design to be that. They are supposed to be a balance of a utility/defensive pocket knife.
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I fully admit I don't recall what knife it is because I never use it anymore, it just hangs in my BOB, so I'll take your word for it. I call it a flipper because I flip it out to open it. Maybe it's better to call it a folder? I thought they were the same thing, but in any case it's worthless semantics to me. As I replied to another, it came up in a search for a knife with bottle opener. That's even how it was advertised and described in the Amazon posting I bought it from. So while it may be something else with that added benefit to it, that's what I bought it for. So it's just philosophy of use difference here, really.

That said, it's a terrible design as far as I'm concerned, because it cannot be deployed safely without gloves. Or maybe tons of careful practice and boxes of Band-Aids. It's the worst excuse for a tool I've ever owned.
 
BeyondTheBox said:
I fully admit I don't recall what knife it is because I never use it anymore, it just hangs in my BOB, so I'll take your word for it. I call it a flipper because I flip it out to open it. Maybe it's better to call it a folder? I thought they were the same thing, but in any case it's worthless semantics to me. As I replied to another, it came up in a search for a knife with bottle opener. That's even how it was advertised and described in the Amazon posting I bought it from. So while it may be something else with that added benefit to it, that's what I bought it for. So it's just philosophy of use difference here, really.

That said, it's a terrible design as far as I'm concerned, because it cannot be deployed safely without gloves. Or maybe tons of careful practice and boxes of Band-Aids. It's the worst excuse for a tool I've ever owned.
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Mistake #1, buying a knife from Amazon.;)
 
C calldoug ok I got you. Sorry we were all trying to fool you. But you stuck with it and have earned the truth.

I am going to try and telepathically sharpen your Delica for you. Once my psychic sharpening is done you have to keep the knife in a wire frame pyramid surrounded by amethyst crystals. Keep the knife open with the tip of the blade facing north.

This will make your knife stay laser sharp. I believe this is the answer you were looking for.

OR

Just follow my steps in post #19 for a solution that actually works.
 
BeyondTheBox said:
I fully admit I don't recall what knife it is because I never use it anymore, it just hangs in my BOB, so I'll take your word for it. I call it a flipper because I flip it out to open it. Maybe it's better to call it a folder? I thought they were the same thing, but in any case it's worthless semantics to me. As I replied to another, it came up in a search for a knife with bottle opener. That's even how it was advertised and described in the Amazon posting I bought it from. So while it may be something else with that added benefit to it, that's what I bought it for. So it's just philosophy of use difference here, really.

That said, it's a terrible design as far as I'm concerned, because it cannot be deployed safely without gloves. Or maybe tons of careful practice and boxes of Band-Aids. It's the worst excuse for a tool I've ever owned.
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Dude, all you have to do to make a waved knife not open when you draw it from your pocket is put a finger over the spine as you draw the knife.

Even without that it is not hard to draw a waved knife without deploying it.
 
danbot said:
Mistake #1, buying a knife from Amazon.;)
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Nah. That's like saying it's a mistake to buy any product from anywhere other than an authorized dealer and in person. That's just not factually based at all. I've never had issues with buying knives on Amazon before. I've bought my Mora(s) there as well as several others. They were all great. I honestly do believe this knife is legit. I said I'd be willing to accept that it's not, but that doesn't mean I actually believe such to be the case. Wish I knew how to prove it. Either way, I've got it now and it's been somewhere near a year since I bought it, so well past the return policy. Lol

Really, the only problem was me not checking one out in person before buying. That's the trap of buying anything online, lack of real life experience. I should've returned it immediately, but I waited a long time before even using it, as I had a ton of new ones at the time to try. So it's 100% my bad. Doesn't mean I don't still absolutely loathe it, and certainly doesn't mean I'm wrong to. Again, it was just a commiseration with the OP

Lapedog said:
Dude, all you have to do to make a waved knife not open when you draw it from your pocket is put a finger over the spine as you draw the knife.

Even without that it is not hard to draw a waved knife without deploying it.
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YMMV

I'm not even remotely interested in trying with this thing any further. I thought about attempting that, can't say what the waist line and pockets hems are like on your pants, but with mine it truly does not allow for me to use this knife as a handy tool, which is the philosophy of use of every knife for me.

It's truly no big deal. No need to defend the product, it's just not for me. It'Il just likely be a gift for someone I don't like some day. Lol
 
BeyondTheBox said:
Nah. That's like saying it's a mistake to buy any product from anywhere other than an authorized dealer and in person. That's just not factually based at all. I've never had issues with buying knives on Amazon before. I've bought my Mora(s) there as well as several others. They were all great. I honestly do believe this knife is legit. I said I'd be willing to accept that it's not, but that doesn't mean I actually believe such to be the case. Wish I knew how to prove it. Either way, I've got it now and it's been somewhere near a year since I bought it, so well past the return policy. Lol

Really, the only problem was me not checking one out in person before buying. That's the trap of buying anything online, lack of real life experience. I should've returned it immediately, but I waited a long time before even using it, as I had a ton of new ones at the time to try. So it's 100% my bad. Doesn't mean I don't still absolutely loathe it, and certainly doesn't mean I'm wrong to. Again, it was just a commiseration with the OP



YMMV

I'm not even remotely interested in trying with this thing any further. I thought about attempting that, can't say what the waist line and pockets hems are like on your pants, but with mine it truly does not allow for me to use this knife as a handy tool, which is the philosophy of use of every knife for me.

It's truly no big deal. No need to defend the product, it's just not for me. It'Il just likely be a gift for someone I don't like some day. Lol
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People have told you how you can prove if it is real or not in this very thread.

People have offered you various solutions to every problem you listed.

I own more than one pair of pants with various types of pockets. I’m pretty sure a lobotomized chimp with two amputated thumbs could draw your knife without waving it open.


You just don’t want it.
 
BeyondTheBox said:
Nah. That's like saying it's a mistake to buy any product from anywhere other than an authorized dealer and in person. That's just not factually based at all. I've never had issues with buying knives on Amazon before. I've bought my Mora(s) there as well as several others. They were all great. I honestly do believe this knife is legit. I said I'd be willing to accept that it's not, but that doesn't mean I actually believe such to be the case. Wish I knew how to prove it. Either way, I've got it now and it's been somewhere near a year since I bought it, so well past the return policy. Lol
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It's refreshing to see somebody else who hates "The Wave". It's just plain ugly IMHO and a real-life need for out-of-pocket speed can be fulfilled by so many other, prettier, less "busy-bladed" knives that I can only conclude that the Wave was a 'tacticool" gimmick-which is fine, I get it, this is just my opinion. There's gimmicky tacticool stuff I DO like, I'm not immune.
I can use the wave ok, and I understand it's purpose, but I can't really use it any quicker or more reliably than a thumb stud or hole. I you want speed, practice will get you where you want to be a lot more reliably in the long run with ANY knife than a gimmick will. If you need speed that bad a fixed blade will do the job better than the wave can and likely serve the need you need that kind of speed for better, too.
 
BeyondTheBox said:
Nah. That's like saying it's a mistake to buy any product from anywhere other than an authorized dealer and in person. That's just not factually based at all. I've never had issues with buying knives on Amazon before. I've bought my Mora(s) there as well as several others. They were all great. I honestly do believe this knife is legit. I said I'd be willing to accept that it's not, but that doesn't mean I actually believe such to be the case. Wish I knew how to prove it. Either way, I've got it now and it's been somewhere near a year since I bought it, so well past the return policy. Lol

Really, the only problem was me not checking one out in person before buying. That's the trap of buying anything online, lack of real life experience. I should've returned it immediately, but I waited a long time before even using it, as I had a ton of new ones at the time to try. So it's 100% my bad. Doesn't mean I don't still absolutely loathe it, and certainly doesn't mean I'm wrong to. Again, it was just a commiseration with the OP



YMMV

I'm not even remotely interested in trying with this thing any further. I thought about attempting that, can't say what the waist line and pockets hems are like on your pants, but with mine it truly does not allow for me to use this knife as a handy tool, which is the philosophy of use of every knife for me.

It's truly no big deal. No need to defend the product, it's just not for me. It'Il just likely be a gift for someone I don't like some day. Lol
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Well, to me it's not worth the risk to deal with Amazon for knives. You really take your chances. Sounds like you got the knife you ordered, it's too bad you didn't like it.
 
Lapedog said:
People have told you how you can prove if it is real or not in this very thread.

People have offered you various solutions to every problem you listed.

I own more than one pair of pants with various types of pockets. I’m pretty sure a lobotomized chimp with two amputated thumbs could draw your knife without waving it open.


You just don’t want it.
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Hmmmmm, I'll have to look further into the thread to see these posts you speak of. Sorry I've only seen the ones that pop up in the alerts where I'm quoted.

The chimp thing was hilarious, but neither here nor there in the context, as it's not just about getting it out of a pocket without opening. It's about the ease of doing so without having to think about it or do extra things to achieve it. It's about being able to use it the same way I use every other knife. A knife is supposed to add convenience to my life, not complication. We can argue the value or degrees of that complication or inconvenience, but in the end this is about me and my knife. Thus it defers to me to make the decision.

The last bit I thought I'd already made very clear, more than once. No I don't like it, not even remotely. I've said why. They are valid reasons, because this is about how I use my knives and how I desire them to be accessible. Could it be done easier? Probably so, I'll defer to your expertise there. But it's not worth the time or effort for me at all. I've got plenty of other knives that do the jobs I need better and easier than this thing, by miles!

Edit: tail between legs... I just thought to myself that Spyderco might be smart enough to think about this already and provide a way to turn the belt clip around so the Emerson wave is faced down, this doesn't catch. Lol wow! 1 problem solved. And I bet this is the solution you were speaking of in another post. Well no need to look now.

Bows at waist and walks backward slowly...
 
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danbot said:
Well, to me it's not worth the risk to deal with Amazon for knives. You really take your chances. Sounds like you got the knife you ordered, it's too bad you didn't like it.
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Well Amazon really does have fantastic return assistance, and I have Amazon prime so it's no questions asked. I just waited too long. But I think I may now have come up with a solution for one problem. If I ever get into changing edges and grinds at some point I just may be able to make this knife worthwhile.
 
BeyondTheBox said:
Well Amazon really does have fantastic return assistance, and I have Amazon prime so it's no questions asked. I just waited too long. But I think I may now have come up with a solution for one problem. If I ever get into changing edges and grinds at some point I just may be able to make this knife worthwhile.
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I’m partly being sarcastic so I’m glad you didn’t get offended.

But please read through the whole thread to see the various solutions offered that will fix your problem. There are posts in this thread from people who have offered to sharpen the knife for you and reset the edge angle so that way it works with the sharpmaker.

FWIW I don’t think I have seen counterfeits of the waved Delicas so I’m pretty sure your knife is legit.
 
Lapedog said:
I’m partly being sarcastic so I’m glad you didn’t get offended.

But please read through the whole thread to see the various solutions offered that will fix your problem. There are posts in this thread from people who have offered to sharpen the knife for you and reset the edge angle so that way it works with the sharpmaker.

FWIW I don’t think I have seen counterfeits of the waved Delicas so I’m pretty sure your knife is legit.
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I think you may be confusing me with the OP. Two different people with two different complaints. I'm not saying mine isn't sharp, I've never even tried sharpening it, that was the other guy. I just don't like the grind on it. But I bought it before I knew anything about grinds and all that. So just a stepping stone in my learning process. We all start somewhere.
 
Lapedog said:
But please read through the whole thread to see the various solutions offered that will fix your problem. There are posts in this thread from people who have offered to sharpen the knife for you and reset the edge angle so that way it works with the sharpmaker.
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BeyondTheBox said:
I think you may be confusing me with the OP. Two different people with two different complaints.
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....... yes this....seems someone's reading/comprehension is off today.... :D
 
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