Why is there sometimes snobbery against Cold Steel knives? They are great!

Viper2 said:
Nope. Benchmade's Axis Lock is strong but not as strong as Cold Steel's Tri-Ad Lock.
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:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

How the heck do you get around to cutting anything when you spend so much time declaring that the tri-ad lock is the 'best in the world'?? Lol
 
Well actually to relate more to this thread, Kel-tec is the best, SIG, H&K, Springfield, Smith & Wesson have weak... safeties which will surely fail if you have to pistol whip a tango in the head who happens to be shooting up your sector of the mall, also Kel-tecs are way more accurate than any of the above.
 
Do people throw things at Lynn Thompson when he's at shows?
Cold Steel has mall ninja written all over it.
Their more serious knives would be great if they didn't take the cheap road to POSville.
Who gives a damn about the tri-ad lock....no offense Mr. Demko.
These threads give us a chance to lash out at CS fanboys.
Thanks
 
Why is there sometimes snobbery against Frosted Flakes? they're Grrrrrrrrrreat!

P.S. I really am looking at getting a Recon 1, definitely spear point, don't like tantos, I'll have to handle one next time I'm at BladeHQ though to decide for sure, but $75 for AUS-8, is hard to swallow, it better have at least 5% Sub Zero quenched dragon claws in it, that is unless the Clearkote Contego comes out first.
 
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There is so much more to any knife than the lock. Fit, finish, materials and steel are equally important as the lock. If you don't have the first 4, you basically have a solid locking turd, and you cut about the same with both. You are simply hung up on a lock, and can't see anything past that. I'm no Cold Steel hater, I own Nd use some of their products.

Nothing wrong with the Recon series in my eyes. But this myopic gibbrish gets really old. The reason these threads go South so fast is that the people starting the threads usually do it in such a way that sets the stage for the landslide. Write intelligently about why you like them and you solicit similar responses.

Look at this thread for example:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/944344-New-CS-Voyager-Ergonomic-Fail
 
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Viper2 said:
Nope. Benchmade's Axis Lock is strong but not as strong as Cold Steel's Tri-Ad Lock.
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Wrong! Check the specs on what an axis lock can hold vs. a triad. Also think about it for a moment kid, a metal bar slips down in the way against metal spacers. The blade physically can't close. Triad is a friction lock that under enough presssure can fail.
 
I have owned a few cold steel knives. They are so-so I guess. I got them at decent prices.

I do not care for the tri ad lock though, as I like one handed folders. Also, every cold steel folder I own has been plagued with huge amounts of blade play from the start and pivots that feel as though they are rolled up 60 grit sandpaper.

I mean I would buy another if they came out with a good design or two, but other than being cheap and fairly tough they don't really excel at much in my world.

I would rather carry my BM 710-2 and its M390 blade any day.

The steel does suck IMHO but its not a deal breaker. If they would come out with a good design with something like 154cm at current prices I would feel like I was getting a good value but otherwise I can't seem to find one that's actually a genuinely good knife.

As a knife enthusiast I just don't care to settle for those kinds of materials and those not so well though out designs when I don't have to.

I'm not against them, but I just don't think they build a competitive knife.
 
Viper2 said:
Like it or not, Cold Steel knives (especially their folders) are some of the best value knives out there! Their folders, in particular, have the best locking system on the planet (Tri-Ad Lock) and some of the best designs as well. Also, no other company has as much variety of truly large folders available as Cold Steel.

Even many of their fixed blades knives are a very good value. And their knives, whether folders or fixed blades, have demonstration videos to prove just how tough and sharp they are. The old "but AUS 8A isn't the best blade steel out there" argument is so pointless. AUS 8A steel is very strong and holds a very good edge for any task that is expected of a knife. And even if AUS 8A does dull a little faster than the most high-end blade steels on the planet, it can still be sharpened rather easily, no big deal. And of course, the other steels (SK-5, San Mai III, etc.) that Cold Steel offers with particular knives are all high quality steels that are great as well.

There is really no reason to hate on Cold Steel. I think most of the Cold Steel hate out there stems from one or more of the following:

  • People who want to feel elite and don't want to buy a brand of knife that is well known by non-collectors of knives and sold at shopping malls.
  • People who are bitter of the fact that they overpaid for their knife and therefore want to insult the much better value (and possibly stronger - especially folders with Tri-Ad Lock) Cold Steel option.
  • People who are against any knives made in non-1st world countries (even though these knives may be better than the knives they currently have).


Opinions?
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Actually none of your points apply to some peoples opinion. Rather how the company CEO acted at a Blade show and some of his comments.

Same applies to Strider but rather don't dwell on it.

Despite the knives. In the knife community how you act and conduct yourself can have a lasting impression.

Ps. I did not read every response in the thread.
 
Most of the folders Cold Steel makes are 1 handed openers and closers. Granted, not everyone has the same level of hand strength, manual dexterity or coordination to operate every knife with one hand; but I can honestly say that I have not had any issues aside from the initial break in period which lasted about a week.

Do you rely on the factory to determine how smooth a folder is? I usually have to adjust the pivot on most knives, I don't flick my knives open (unless they are assisted opening). For what you are paying, the steel is very good, and I've found AUS8 to hold a better edge than some VG10 counterparts.

I've had much higher priced knives (approaching $300-$500) also feel like they were assembled in a sand storm. However, they are assembled in machine shops, not in surgical suites. Realistic expectations are also part of the package.

Not sure what knives you've bought recently, but it really sounds like you are talking about the older knives with the "Ultra Lock". The newer models run mostly at $65 or so shipped! And are "good", but it depends on what you want for around $55. In the end, you aren't going to get Filet Mignon when you are paying Big Mac prices, to think otherwise is far beyond where realistic expectations should be.
 
sorry but surefire spanks fenix, never buying another flashlight brand :p
500 vs 870 = tie
xdm is so much better than a glock.
.45 all the way !!!! carry a nine for concealability not stopping power.
The first star trek with kirk and all that stuff is awesome, everything else is garbage. You know your going the wrong direction when you shift from green women to warp drive.
oh and the "new" star wars movie jesus christ what a dissapointment.
chevy vs dodge vs ford = toyota, they are actually made in this country. most "domestics" are actually made south of the border and they dont hold up as well

oh and throwing 7.62 vs 5.56 into the mix. 7.62x51 all the way baby!!!!

I cant wait to see where this thread ends up ;)
 
EagleScouter said:
Now it's a Cold Steel, Fenix, AND Surefire thread? Let's go for broke and throw in Mick Strider, 9mm vs .45 ACP, and Star Trek vs Star Wars. Let the ultimate argument thread commence! ;):D
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All this talk of flashlights and not a mention of 4-Sevens! Better than both!
 
Viper2 said:
There is really no reason to hate on Cold Steel. I think most of the Cold Steel hate out there stems from one or more of the following:

  • People who want to feel elite and don't want to buy a brand of knife that is well known by non-collectors of knives and sold at shopping malls.
  • People who are bitter of the fact that they overpaid for their knife and therefore want to insult the much better value (and possibly stronger - especially folders with Tri-Ad Lock) Cold Steel option.
  • People who are against any knives made in non-1st world countries (even though these knives may be better than the knives they currently have).


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I love your list. I like to make those types of list when Im feeling irrational and want to be right. All your possible "explanations" are condescending to people of an alternate viewpoint, and only offer possible explanations that prove your point.

Let me make a quick list to add to yours to make it more fair.

- Some people dont like Cold Steel because of their over hyped and absurd marketing techniques.
- Some people dont like Cold Steel because they are a US company that outsources all of their manufacturing overseas.
- Some people dont like Cold Steel because of their gimmicky features and overly "tactical" designs.

I dont hate cold steel, but I will never buy one for the reasons I listed above. And if you are a cold steel lover, I will never respect your opinion on knives. Similarly if you drive and love a pontiac aztec I will never respect your opinion on cars.
 
Shadow213 said:
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

How the heck do you get around to cutting anything when you spend so much time declaring that the tri-ad lock is the 'best in the world'?? Lol
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He obviously works for Cold Steel and is one of Lynn T’s minions out trolling forums for attention... And boy are we giving it to him lol
 
If they outsource all of their manufacturing overseas, what do they actually do all day? I mean I know Lynn practices his spear throwing techniques spars with that other guy that pretends he's a good fighter, but what do the rest of them do? I guess a lot of their time is spent making cheesy videos and hitting stuff with things...other than that, who knows.

I don't know why I think this, but I'll bet Lynn doesn't smell very good.
 
res1cue said:
Out of curiosity, which product are you referring to?
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It was my Black Rhino. The triad lock on that particular model has a locking bar with no hump or depression, or notch to keep the spring in check, so after opening and closing for a day or so, the spring creeps forward, and hits the edge. They sent me another one, which had the exact same issue after a day or so.

The fix would literally have been about a $1 or $2 per knife. Shoot, if they offered a replacement locking bar with a slight tweak, I could put it in my self.

After getting another lemon (and being told they did not sell parts, nor would they do anything but send me another defective knife) I tried fixing it my self. Another member suggested epoxy. That did not work. I tried a micro groove on the locking bar. It fixed the forward motion of the spring. Unfortunately, it also affected the lock up.

I have other Triad locks that have an improved (or I should say correctly designed) locking bar.


Moosez45 said:
I'm betting it was the Pocket Bushman, with that Ram Lock spring thing.

Moose
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I actually bought one of the "good" bushman knives. Never had a problem with it. I have to say, I sure love the design. Love the grind on the knife.

It sure is a lot of knife for the price!
 
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