Why is there sometimes snobbery against Cold Steel knives? They are great!

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NOREAT said:
Why do these issues exist on gear forums? Flashlights, it's Fenix vs. Surefire, knives, Cold Steel vs. the world. Why must these arguments go on forever?
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The difference there is that a Fenix is actually cheaper than a Surefire with comparable features.
 
Tsujigiri said:
They aren't good values because they use the cheapest steel, cheaper overseas labor, cheap fit and finish, and they cheap out on the warranty service. Despite this, they still cost as much as American or Japanese knives with better steel and quality, and more extensive warranty coverage. They may have stronger locks, but since any other lock that's well made won't fail under normal conditions, this doesn't matter at all. The other things like quality and edge retention, however, are things you will notice in normal use.

That doesn't really matter, though, because the Cold Steel fanboys have managed to put this company on a pedestal despite all this, so it's not like they pay attention to concrete qualitative or quantitative comparisons. Maddog, do a little more research before you post ridiculous statements like that. I assume by "sub zero AUS-8," you're referring to their heat treatment process. Any metallurgist could tell you, though, that quenching steel is not by any means unique to Cold Steel.
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Fantastic post:thumbup: Pretty much sums it up IMO.
 
Never heard of Fenix, seems like your comparison might ruffle some feathers though. Anyway I will check out this Fenix you speak of, I have a Coast or something that is decent but Fenix sounds cool.

Just looked them up, they have a turbo output mode, I am in for that one!
 
Cold Steel Strong points:
-marketing videos
-hype
-strong lock

Weak points:
-quality
-value
-steel
-materials: blade steel and handles
-warranty
-price/quality ratio
 
Oh noes. It's on fire, and someone just poured some gasoline on!!! :eek:
 
CS knives for the most part are OK for people not looking for anything too expensive or special. I have used them a bit on and off for the last 15 years and don’t have any major complaints. If I must give an opinion on the knives or company? Lynn T. is a bit of a chucklehead and his marketing is a bit lame “Hi I’m Lynn and I can slice a cardboard target into pieces”. I’m sure it appeals to the mall ninjas out there but in the end it’s just targeted marketing. The lock strength videos are cool and I don’t doubt they have one of the better locks on the market but there is more to a knife than a lock. Aus 8 is generally fine on less costly knives and although it doesn’t hold an edge for a long time it’s easy to get razor sharp. I would still prefer to get a better steel and sharpen my EDC less. I would still purchase another CS knife regardless of the negativity surrounding them but like Lynn’s marketing, the people that get butt hurt and go on binges defending the company wears on you. Oh, one last thing... I don’t like the micro serrations but that’s fine as you don’t need to buy a serrated knife from them.
 
Now it's a Cold Steel, Fenix, AND Surefire thread? Let's go for broke and throw in Mick Strider, 9mm vs .45 ACP, and Star Trek vs Star Wars. Let the ultimate argument thread commence! ;):D
 
EagleScouter said:
Now it's a Cold Steel, Fenix, AND Surefire thread? Let's go for broke and throw in Mick Strider, 9mm vs .45 ACP, and Star Trek vs Star Wars. Let the ultimate argument thread commence! ;):D
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Might as well bring in the Ford vs. Chevy vs. Dodge argument as well. :D
 
EagleScouter said:
Now it's a Cold Steel, Fenix, AND Surefire thread? Let's go for broke and throw in Mick Strider, 9mm vs .45 ACP, and Star Trek vs Star Wars. Let the ultimate argument thread commence! ;):D
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I like your thinking! I'm sorry for bringing up Surefire, but why do all gear forums have that one touchy subject? Is that common of all forums?
 
Sorry, I was definitely pushing this one away from Cold Steel, but it was there and I already gave my serious answer. BTW Star Trek vs. Star Wars is not a real argument, just because they share a "Star" in their name does not make Star Trek worthy of that argument. You have to have fun in life, right?
 
Maddogg774 said:
Data-no. Experience,yes. I bought the speed form from kershaw guy and a delica in ZDP from knifecenter because of the supposed super steels. I also have a zt0300 and a CRK sebenza 21 in s30v. All of them I have had to sharpen twice as much as my recon 1. The only folder that has better edge retention is my SOG Vulcan in Vg-10. I use them all equally. I think some of those other steels are too hard and brittle for horizontal forces. Edge geometry, thickness, steel comp. and cutting action all have a lot to do with it. I'm not talking about just cutting hemp rope over and over with the same cutting motion, but real world use, in whatever may come.
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I may have to try that Recon 1 sooner rather later afterall, it must be made with unicorn dust and dragon claws, maybe they should rename it, since it performs several times better than any other AUS-8 out there?
 
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