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Why no 4-way clip on Spyderco Military?

Discussion in 'General Knife Discussion' started by fivesense, Jun 24, 2017.

  1. singularity35

    singularity35

    Mar 1, 2010
    Excellent logic. :rolleyes:

    I fail to see how a knife configured for forward waving can be smoothly opened with minimal manipulation, as a one hand opener, into a forward grip which by the way is mostly how knives are held when cutting stuff. ;)
     
    Last edited: Jun 25, 2017
  2. jimmyd1982

    jimmyd1982 Basic Member Basic Member

    Mar 23, 2011
    Wtf are you all doing when you draw your knife that makes it feel clumsy and/or awkward? I have zero problems pulling a tip up knife out of my pocket and opening it, unless you have nubbins for fingers I can't understand how you are having trouble.
     
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  3. shinyedges

    shinyedges Unfaltering Love & Undeviating Will Platinum Member

    Jun 5, 2012
    Gotta love the, know it all, my way is best, I'm right you're wrong group. I just laugh. Clueless AND pushy. Yikes lol
     
  4. singularity35

    singularity35

    Mar 1, 2010
    Not at all but just not able to understand how you do it. Maybe a video of how you open with one hand, into a forward grip a knife configured for forward waving.
     
  5. James Y

    James Y

    Feb 18, 1999
    I don't mind the Military being strictly tip down. In general, I prefer tip up carry, but it's not a big deal for me, and sometimes it depends on the knife. It can also depend on where the knife is clipped. If a large folder were clipped in my waistband, I would prefer tip down. Whatever; I have no issues getting my folders out and open quickly enough. In my normal daily uses, I haven't needed to speed-open my folders.

    Whatever floats your boat. Everyone is different. I'm only speaking for myself.

    Jim
     
  6. Lapedog

    Lapedog Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 7, 2016
    Forward waving does not result in naturally in a forward grip. An example of a knife designed to be forward waved look at the Spyderco P'kal.

    Forward waving a knife though it is pretty easy with a little practice to flip the knife around to forward grip in one motion fluid with the drawing wave. When you're waving the knife forward out of the pocket instead of closing your fingers around the knife into a reverse edge in or out grip you just flip the knife around. You just rotate it in the fingers you used to pinch the knife for withdrawl.
     
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  7. singularity35

    singularity35

    Mar 1, 2010
    I'd love to see how that's done.
     
  8. shinyedges

    shinyedges Unfaltering Love & Undeviating Will Platinum Member

    Jun 5, 2012
    Check out this video by matt:

    At 4:01 he pulls it out of his pocket.


    I think you are confused lapedog, in the method matt and I draw it naturally goes to edge out ice pick grip.

    But if instant one hand opening isn't needed, it can be drawn and thumbed open in the same amount of time as a tip down knife. Works well either way.
     
  9. shinyedges

    shinyedges Unfaltering Love & Undeviating Will Platinum Member

    Jun 5, 2012
    I carry tip up carry just like Matt everyday, when I pull my knife out at work I don't wave it, just pull it out and use the thumbstuds or flipper depending on what I'm carrying.
     
  10. Lapedog

    Lapedog Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 7, 2016
    Just hold the open knife in a pinching grip between your thumb and fingers blade facing downwards towards the floor. Now flip the blade up in a semi-circle. As you close your fingers around the knife it will roll into an edge forward, blade forward grip.
     
  11. Lapedog

    Lapedog Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 7, 2016
    No I am aware that a forward waved knife draws into reverse grips, either edge in or edge out depending on how you close your fingers around it.

    Singularity is asking how you can forward wave a knife into a blade forward, edge down grip. Which can be done, you just flip the knife after forward waving it before you close your fingers around the handle.
     
  12. singularity35

    singularity35

    Mar 1, 2010
    I know how Matt does it since that's how I do it for an SD knife. I was probably a mall ninja before you. ;)

    The method you mention above is what I want to see done.
     
  13. shinyedges

    shinyedges Unfaltering Love & Undeviating Will Platinum Member

    Jun 5, 2012
    LOL I took a quick video but am having trouble uploading it. Send me a vm with your email and I'll send you the video I just took.
     
  14. Lapedog

    Lapedog Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 7, 2016
    If you just reach into your pocket fingers first with your palm facing forward a knife in your pocket set up for "forward waving" can be withdrawn in position to be thumbed open.

    You just reach into the pocket with your fingers so that your thumb pinches the clip on the outside of your pocket.
     
  15. shinyedges

    shinyedges Unfaltering Love & Undeviating Will Platinum Member

    Jun 5, 2012
    Ah, I just either wave forward or don't wave at all and withdraw the knife and thumb or flip it open.
     
  16. singularity35

    singularity35

    Mar 1, 2010
    Controlled openings really are a major concern for me since I do some work on top of ladders or on a roof and dropping a knife will be so much more extra effort. Not to mention damage to the knife. An opening method has to work 100 percent of the time during those moments not 9 out of 10 or something like that.

    I remember sticking a manix 2 into a wooden floor just practicing my forward draws way back then. I was so surprised looking at the knife quivering on the floor. Having also worked my farm for around 20 years dropping a knife is such a pain.
     
  17. shinyedges

    shinyedges Unfaltering Love & Undeviating Will Platinum Member

    Jun 5, 2012
    I understand and agree, my preferences have varied slightly but forward waving has stayed for more than a few years. For me, that's primary and slow casual drawing is second. But honestly I don't find it cumbersome to withdraw and manually open my knives either. Could be I've done it for so long it just is what it is for me.
     
  18. shinyedges

    shinyedges Unfaltering Love & Undeviating Will Platinum Member

    Jun 5, 2012
    I don't know if my last post was clear, the function of forward waving is a must, beyond that regular pulling out the knife is generally the same and a non issue for me.
     
  19. singularity35

    singularity35

    Mar 1, 2010
    Understood but I still can't see how that's done without much manipulation. I don't have an issue with opening a traditional slip joint too but that doesn't mean that it's easy to do especially when you have to hold on with your other hand.
     
  20. shinyedges

    shinyedges Unfaltering Love & Undeviating Will Platinum Member

    Jun 5, 2012
    I took a vid, send me your email.
     

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