Why Sebenza vs other customs knives?

nathan310 said:
Wow dude!

Are you for real?

Because I shared my actual experience you want to get all worked up and say I'm bad mouthing?

That's on you.

If a knife comes dull out of the box is that good workmanship or bad?

This had nothing to do with your opinion on what pricing in the knife world should be.

You can say a knife you never owned is hyped up and overpriced but if someone says a knife from a company you happen to like came dull out of the box and they don't trust their stuff it's badmouthing?

Are you in reality?

Did you forget your meds?

After talking to you for a while I'm starting to wonder.
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I don't see how you can say a knife is bad based on how sharp it is. Maybe instead of materials, quality and design we should only judge knives on how sharp they are right out of the box.
 
We all like what we like. I happen to very much like Sebenza's! Yes, it IS as simple at that.
 
Some people need to lighten up.

To get things back on topic, first of all I repeat my first reply:

Jos said:
I have a few custom folders, and I have a few Sebbies & Mnandis. I like all of them. It's impossible to say "this one is better". I like 'em all. So I suggest you go for what you like most.

Edited to add: buy what YOU like, not what everybody tells you to like! Over the years I found it saves you a lot of dissapointment and frustration.

Kind regards,

Jos
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Then I have some things to add:

1. I can buy cheaper customs than Sebbies
2. I can buy better customs than Sebbies
3. I like sebbies very much
4. I like customs very much

So it's up to you really (I'm adressing the Thread Starter now), buy what you like, custom or Sebenza, but don't buy it because everybody else tells you what to buy.

Kind regards,

Jos
 
nathan310 said:
I personally like a small compact knife that is extremely tough.

Anyone that says a sebbie is not that is not going to be humored with a conversation arguing that point by me.
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Then you won't be humoring me. No matter how much it costs, a 1/8" thick piece of S30V that has been shaped to a point, ground to an edged, tempered in the high Rc 50's, and folds into the handle isn't tough to me, by any interpretation of the word. For a folder, my Greco is maybe tough, and that is all steel with a 3/16" 8670 blade.

I don't doubt the quality of craftsmanship of a sebbie, and the unique graphic I handled was well executed, but that doesn't change the materials it is constructed from.
 
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Seems every time the Sebenza is brought up in a thread the discussion degrades quickly because owners of other production knives feel the need to justify their preferences versus the Seb. To each their own, pure and simple.

The original poster wanted suggestions about custom knives and Sebenza's in the $500 range. Pretty simple.

So here are my two suggestions:

Buy a Sebenza. If you don't like it, it is usually pretty simple to resell it. I own several and think they are an awesome knife.

Buy a Mayo TMX. You can usually get one for $550 or so. I have been EDC'ing one for the past six months and it is a great knife. Sharp enough to shave with, fits well in my hand and has Ti with carbon fiber inserts. CPM154 steel recurve blade too.

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enderwiggin said:
Didn't you just spend, oh, the last three pages of this Sebenza thread posting photos of knives from other makers, highlighting and listing how you believe the Sebenza is inferior to those other maker's knives?
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I sad good things about other knifes, only in the eye of cult follower it can be converted into saying bad about their fetish. But I did not say something like "it is dull and this indicates poor overall manufacturing quality" or something like this. It was always sad that Sebenza good knife but there are equal or even better for less price (Sorry, but there are IMHO).

Thanks, Vassili
 
karnavor said:
I don't see how you can say a knife is bad based on how sharp it is. Maybe instead of materials, quality and design we should only judge knives on how sharp they are right out of the box.
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That is part of the overall proccess of the knife manufacturing.

If they couldn't get that right how am I to know that they didn't have problems in other parts of the manufacturing proccess?

That is just the part that's blatantly obvious...

And them knowing I would see the edge and left it dull...

What about the parts they knew I wouldn't see?

But I'm not willing to find out when it matters the most that my knife works and have it fail on me.

The dull edge to me indicates they might have other more serious problems with their quality control.
 
hardheart said:
Then you won't be humoring me. No matter how much it costs, a 1/8" thick piece of S30V that has been shaped to a point, ground to an edged, tempered in the high Rc 50's, and folds into the handle isn't tough to me, by any interpretation of the word. For a folder, my Greco is maybe tough, and that is all steel with a 3/16" 8670 blade.

I don't doubt the quality of craftsmanship of a sebbie, and the unique graphic I handled was well executed, but that doesn't change the materials it is constructed from.
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Just this once...

DUH.
 
nozh2002 said:
I sad good things about other knifes, only in the eye of cult follower it can be converted into saying bad about their fetish. But I did not say something like "it is dull and this indicates poor overall manufacturing quality" or something like this. It was always sad that Sebenza good knife but there are equal or even better for less price (Sorry, but there are IMHO).

Thanks, Vassili
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The hypocrsy is so thick in here it can be cut with a knife(but not a kershaw they're too dull)! LOL just kidding 8)
 
nathan310 said:
Just this once...

DUH.
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Let's see if I follow

You say the sebbie is tough.

I say it isn't.

You say DUH.

That generally indicates that you believe the statement made was too obvious to even be worth mentioning.

If so, then the sebbie is obviously not tough, and you were obviously wrong in saying it was.

Wow.
 
If the Sebenza wasn't tough it would not come with a lifetime warranty. They expect you to use it and have no problem repairing should any problem arise.
 
Every lifetime warranty, refurb, and re-sharpening is figured into the price of the knife offering it. Whatever the make.
 
I just buy what I like. And I only buy knives I will use. Also when I buy a knife, I do not look at names.... drama behind the company, I don't listen to internet hype I just buy what I like. Production, custom, mid tech.........who cares?

I have CRK's, Spyderco's, Kershaw's, Strider's, and BM's, and a few customs.

Just buy what you like, as for why I buy Sebbies over a custom? I have had about 20+ customs by well known names and some did not have the fit the Sebbies do.

Its easy......... just buy what you like! Why worry with what other people do? :confused:

Why would people buy a RV that costs more than the house they live in?
Why do people have rims on their cars that cost more than the car?
Why do people put $5,000 paint jobs on their $2,500 car?
Why would somebody spend $1,000 on a RC Airplane?
Why do some people spend $100+ for jeans?
Why do some people spend $1000+ on tattoos?

See how silly it would be to worry with the way "others" spend "THEIR" money. ;)

I have sold a like new small classic for $250. so a Sebbie does not have to be anywhere near $500
 
nathan310 said:
That is part of the overall proccess of the knife manufacturing.

If they couldn't get that right how am I to know that they didn't have problems in other parts of the manufacturing proccess?

That is just the part that's blatantly obvious...

And them knowing I would see the edge and left it dull...

What about the parts they knew I wouldn't see?

But I'm not willing to find out when it matters the most that my knife works and have it fail on me.

The dull edge to me indicates they might have other more serious problems with their quality control.
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If you are using that as a guideline of quality. Then obviously you remember the thread of the sebbie edge rolling when used to cut CAT-5 cable. Then chipping when used to cut cardboard. So by your own argument the Sebbie also has quality control issues. And in the same thread i remember reading that it is common for sebbies to come with a wire edge. It seems to me you are being a hypocrite. You can't hold one company to one standard then another to another standard.
 
nozh2002 said:
I do not think it is a good to badmouth other knife manufacturer in general to make Sebenza look good - I guess it make Sebenza looks bad too, because when you badmouth something it dirts everything involved into discussion. It just turns into negative discussion. Especially those speculations on overall quality based on dull edge - I can say that Busse comes out of the box very dull but it does not compromizing manufacturing quality and they have cult much more stronger then your Sebenza cult...

I am not sure about this experience it depends on knife (did you send it back to Kershaw to fix it for free? I remember they do resharpening this way few earliest ZDP Leek).

... but JYDII Ti/ZDP189 I got from the box hair whittling sharp, and not only for me but everybody.

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Can Sebenza whittle hair like this out of the box? Because I know only two those models were able to do this out of the box.

Thanks, Vassili.
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Sorry but what's going on in this picture?

It looks like some one puts some pubes on their knife.

How was that done?

That would be impressive if you dropped it on the blade and it was cut.

But if did it some other way that's not that great of a feat.
 
jvan said:
Every lifetime warranty, refurb, and re-sharpening is figured into the price of the knife offering it. Whatever the make.
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That's a very good point that I think a lot of folks may be missing.

How much of the Sebenza's price tag is added on to make it "worth it" for Chris Reeve knives to sharpen, refurbish, and warranty their knives for life?

Is it better to think of as a $200.00 knife with a $200.00 lifetime insurance policy?
 
KenM K said:
If you are using that as a guideline of quality. Then obviously you remember the thread of the sebbie edge rolling when used to cut CAT-5 cable. Then chipping when used to cut cardboard. So by your own argument the Sebbie also has quality control issues. And in the same thread i remember reading that it is common for sebbies to come with a wire edge. It seems to me you are being a hypocrite. You can't hold one company to one standard then another to another standard.
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No not really.

If you look at the test I did in that thread you will see I didn't have that problem.

I have heard a few people complain of dull kershaw knives and only one person mention a sebbie rolling.

When put to the test my small sebbie made many cuts through cat5 and coax and was still shave sharp.
 
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