Why sebenza?

I like sebenzas, but the million flys can't be wrong argument doesn't really work. Just look at Striders for instance. :p :p

I think the emotion turning point is when brownshoe and perhaps Cliff come out and say explicitly or implicitly, that sebenzas are not worth the money. That discussion is unsolvable but is quite volitile. Then things go downhill from there.

Should these kinds of thread be lcoked? I don't know. I do like the idea of a sticky or FAQ that covers these issues, as a previous person has proposed.
 
seikan1 said:
Alright....I have a couple of questions.

First off, I am left handed and that of course limits some things.

I read on here all about how great the sebenza knife is. Is it left handed friendly? I have never touched or seen one in person.

I find that the BM knives with the axis lock are the most friendly for me. They are quality made and not too expensive.

Is a Chris Reeve knife that much superior to the BM knives?

I may have to break down and save my pennies for the sebenza if everyone tells me that the BM is not nearly what the Sebenza is...if it is left handed friendly of course.

Seikan1
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Simple, because it's a beauty! (IMHO)

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sorry, had to give this forever lasting discussion a twist
 
tom mayo said:
thank you for your clear post on the facts!!!!
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Since I'm not sure if I'm being teased, I'm going to take that at face value and say you're most welcome! :)

On a side note, Mr. Mayo those new TMX folders are gorgeous.
Do/will you make lefty versions?


Thanks,
B.
 
DaveH said:
...say explicitly or implicitly, that sebenzas are not worth the money. That discussion is unsolvable but is quite volitile.
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It is hardly unsolvable if the viewpoint is specified and has no need to be volatile. Yes if you say something vague, undefined and a personal attack like "Sebenza's are over priced junk." you can expect a rash of similar nonsense however this isn't the case here. Brownshoe is blunt but usually states his reasoning quite clear.

If you state something like "Consider you can get match and exceed the ergonomics, handle security, blade steel, and cutting ability on significantly more inexpensive knives the Sebenza is overpriced from a performance perspective." there is no need for anying to come of it aside a debate on the relevant issues.

There are of course lots of perspectives from which it is worth the money such as the resale value percentage is very high.

The Sebenza threads tend to attract flames simply because of the viewpoint of some of the more extreme fans who can't handle any negative comments and ignore anything else said if such statements are made. You don't see the same responce for example if someone compared a Trailmaster to one of Justin's Ranger knives and concluded the Trailmaster is over priced in comparison.

-Cliff
 
Funny how these "Bash the Sebenza" threads always end up outside of the Chris Reeve Manufacturer's forum, where they belong. Or do the Sebenza Slayers even have the guts to post over there?

Sebenza is a fine example of what a folding knife can aspire to. But then again, not everyone can appreciate the subtle differences between a Mercedes and a Honda.

Buy the Sebenza. If you don't like it you can easily and quickly resell it for close to what you paid. Same for Striders. That says alot about both of those manufacturers. Try that with some of the lesser priced brands.
 
Fool4Blades said:
Funny how these "Bash the Sebenza" threads always end up outside of the Chris Reeve Manufacturer's forum
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Possibly because people are looking for a less biased opinion than the manufactuer of a product and its biggest fans. Everthing I have said about the Sebenza and Reeves products I have said on Reeves forum.

-Cliff
 
Actualy to be honest, you can only get your moeny back if you have bought them used to begin with. New ones do suffer some depreciation.
 
DaveH why do want to censor people who dislike your pet brands or disagree with your pet opinions? You don't like the thread...don't read it. Get a life, go out and get some nooky. :)

You have your pet hates, you never pass up an opportunity to trash the Lonewolf Loveless City Knife as being poorly made and too expensive.

I respect your opinion and the freedom that Spark gives all of us to express opinions. I may believe your opinions and even your facts are incorrect, but I don't see a need to censor you.
 
brownshoe, you must be confusing me with someone else. Did I mention censor? Ever?

But you do have an excellent point, I do consider Lone Wolf city knives terribly overpriced, similar as you consider sebenzas to be.

If someone is unsure about a sebenza, I always reccomend they pick one up used. And in fact, they can always sign up for the sebenza passaround and decide for themselves for free, except for shipping of course. I can't immediately think of a better way for a person to decide if it's right for them.
 
Percentage wise though, it is pretty high. I sold off a Strider PAB near instantly with more than a dozen offers in a day and I only had it at 75% and it was heavily used and sharpened. The demand for some knives is pretty high and it is easy to get a turn around.

Obviously for production folders it isn't the same because you can get a NIB one instantly with a full guarantee, so if you are buying one second hand you would tend to want a significant discount, especially if seriously used. Plus the heavy undercutting by internet dealers drives this down more so as well.

None of this really speaks to quality though, some of the best knives I have used are rarely discussed, not very popular and there is little demand for them. The makers just don't promote themselves very heavily, have no internet activity etc. .

DaveH, to censor not only includes removal of information, but acting to suppress by even simple condemnation. Acting to prevent information from being posted or limit such information of a particular viewpoint it is also censorship as it achieves the same goal.

Now reread your post, specifically this part :

"I think the emotion turning point is when brownshoe and perhaps Cliff come out and say explicitly or implicitly, that sebenzas are not worth the money. That discussion is unsolvable but is quite volitile. Then things go downhill from there."

-Cliff
 
What? DaveH can't have his opinion too? Having an opinion about someone/something else is not censorship. Unless he slanders someone, then it is just freedom of speech.
 
Having an opinion isn't the issue, DaveH's posts on the Sebenza bushings and other related issues never spawned such a commentary now did they.

It was when you move away from discussing the knives, move away from facts and logic and start discussing the people and specifically condem other opinions, especially in the manner in the above which labels them unproductive and inflammatory.

It is hardly the case that such posts encourage a diversity of opinions on the subject, and in particular the specific posters mentioned to continue the discussion, they obviously tend to do the opposite.

In this case I doubt it will have an effect on Brownshoe, however in general there are lots of people who it would have such an effect on, you will note all the time people will refrain from making posts which argue against popular opinion simply because of it.

-Cliff
 
Unfortunately (I guess) when someone posts an opinion in a public forum they are open to being criticized for it. Particularly if people are known for posting the same opinion over and over again.
 
haha that's me Mr. censorship and intimidation. The mere mention of my name sends shivers down the spines of knife nuts everywhere.

don't post here! Dave might post.

Unproductive and inflamatory?

That's me too.
 
Geode said:
The original question "Why Sebenza?"

I own several CRK products and which indicates they are worth the money to me. In the aggregate, they must be worth the money to a lot of people because sebenzas appear to be difficult for many dealers to keep in stock.
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well said!


i answered it best when I responded...."because" :D
 
Several years ago I adopted the philosophy of “live and let live” when it came to personal preferences/beliefs. So I just try to accept other folk's opinions vis-à-vis their favorite knife or manufacturer and I hope that they are willing to give me the same latitude and respect. Therefore, all I can say is that, for me, CRK knives (including the Mnandi :D) are worth whatever price tag Chris wants to stick on them. To me they are the best production knives, fixed or folding, that exist. I’ve owned nine CRK folders including the 5 Mnandis I currently have, so I feel my opinion is based on a reasonable amount of experience but again it’s just my opinion. ;)
 
Sometimes when I read threads like this, I'm not convinced that "the pen is mightier than the sword". No offense intended. I guess we're lucky that we're able to disagree with words vs. sharpened steel.
Some might disagree ;)
 
Cliff Stamp said:
... It was when you move away from discussing the knives, move away from facts and logic... -Cliff
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I must respectfully disagree Cliff.




When Dave says:

[QUOTE+DaveH] And in fact, they can always sign up for the sebenza passaround and decide for themselves for free, except for shipping of course. I can't immediately think of a better way for a person to decide if it's right for them.-DaveH[/QUOTE]

I think it pretty clearly shows his official and publicly stated "factual" position, "Try it and decide for yourself." His opinion is just that, as legitimate as any other, and easily recognizable as such.

Claims of censorship are absurd. Censorship is backed by government power. The suggestion on this seems to be that if someone's opinion disagrees publicly with the opinion of another, he's trying to silence the former. Rubbish.

(Oh... That's my opinion. ;) )
 
DaveH said:
haha that's me Mr. censorship and intimidation. The mere mention of my name sends shivers down the spines of knife nuts everywhere.

don't post here! Dave might post.

Unproductive and inflamatory?

That's me too.
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Dave, you are such a power hungry jerk :rolleyes: :p :D
 
seikan1 said:
Alright....I have a couple of questions.

First off, I am left handed and that of course limits some things.

I read on here all about how great the sebenza knife is. Is it left handed friendly? I have never touched or seen one in person.

I find that the BM knives with the axis lock are the most friendly for me. They are quality made and not too expensive.

Is a Chris Reeve knife that much superior to the BM knives?

I may have to break down and save my pennies for the sebenza if everyone tells me that the BM is not nearly what the Sebenza is...if it is left handed friendly of course.

Seikan1
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I am left handed and a owner of several Sebenza's and I own quite a few Benchmade knives. I think the fact that you can get a left hand Sebenza makes them worth more to a left handed person because many of the knives poeple list as alternatives or right hand only.
If you compare the fit and finish of a Sebenza to a Benchmade the Sebenza will win. Compare the edge holding and cutting ability and with comparable steels and it should be even. The warranty and service with both company's is excellent so no winner here. The last thing to consider is the Sebenza can be refinished to like new for a small fee a service benchmade doesn't offer. To me the Sebenza is worth the extra money for you it may not be. The best way to find out is buy one and give it a try. I posted a few pictures of a limited edition 705 and a small left hand Sebenza. I picked the Sebenza up for $20.00 more than I paid for the 705. hope this helps Larry

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