Why so many hideous folders?

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RemyKaze said:
He did say that that's what he had at the time, that another person threw it to him. It's so easy to blame the operator, but in a safer design, there is both less chance of lock failure and much less chance of operator error.
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Thank you :)
 
JParanee said:
Fair enough im sorry but i knew where you where going :)
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No, you didn't I just asked if they'd throw it away if it was mortally wounded. You said it wasn't mortally wounded and a choice could be made about keeping it, or not. I am hardly a vegan and I've shot many deer myself. In fact, I just ate a BLT.
 
Everyone who isn't already chill please chill. Open up an A.G. Russell Catalog and enjoy looking at knives that would be hard to call "hideous"; well maybe a handful, but definitely a minority. There are all different kinds for all different tastes. Yes and I do think this is relevant to the discussion.
 
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Beauty is truly in the eyes of the beholder. There are many knives that seem very popular among board members that I think are ugly... I stick to CRKs but there are probably people who think that CRKs are just really plain and boring looking while I think they are works of art.
 
jill jackson said:
No, you didn't I just asked if they'd throw it away if it was mortally wounded. You said it wasn't mortally wounded and a choice could be made about keeping it, or not. I am hardly a vegan and I've shot many deer myself. In fact, I just ate a BLT.
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You are right I am sorry for presuming where you were going . It's that Karda he just pisses me off :)

Sorry

So since that time I have avoided frame lock folders unless they have some type of scale covering that part of the frame
 
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CWL said:
Why?

You seem to have confused your own personal preference towards smoke & mirrors marketing to a need for others to follow in the same direction.
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You were the one touting the "can do" benefits of the Ginsu knife versus the Jim Wagner knife. My post about the group buy for Ginsu's was done in jest towards that response.
Congratulations on being psychic and I wish you a b-r-i-g-h-t future!.

Back to hideous folders.....
 
I personally dig lockbacks over any sort of liner or frame lock. I also can't get along with recurves. I like smooth opening, but I prefer slicing ability. If a knife can fit all of my prerequisites, I honestly don't care what it looks like. However, taking the black crap off a blade if you know you aren't going to be doing any sort of special ops kinda stuff will go a long way toward making any knife much more presentable.
 
I'd be interested to see (or hear about) what kind of knives the OP has in mind for his folders... :thumbup:

What say you, JD? :)
 
JParanee said:
For all you with these abominations try this stick it into a tuff substance and then twist the blade chances are if you twist clock wise you will disengage the lock.
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Just tried your suggestion with one of "these abominations", an XM-18. It just destroyed some very thick cardboard blocks and tore open the end of small logs, the lock did not disengage.
 
Jaytaylor said:
Just tried your suggestion with one of "these abominations", an XM-18. It just destroyed some very thick cardboard blocks and tore open the end of small logs, the lock did not disengage.
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Again I am not saying that the lock failed.....it failed to stay open because while the gator was freaking out my hand inadvertently disengaged it. Living creatures when stabbed move around why is this so hard to understand. When they move around and you are trying to hold the knife you can accidentally release the lock because you are holding it by the lock

So my whole point was that there are better options for a so called tactical knife that was supposedly developed as a self defense weapon than this type of lock.

I am sorry a lot of you folks don't like my opinion and all bought into the big frame lock tactical thing.
 
Clearly you failed to understand my post, it was in reference to your statement of "tuff substance" no mention of living creatives moving around, why is that so hard to understand?

W.R.T. the accidential releasing of a lock - right tool for the right job, which a folding knife was not.

Frame lock does not equate to tactical, it is a lock design only and not all frame locks are equal.





JParanee said:
Again I am not saying that the lock failed.....it failed to stay open because while the gator was freaking out my hand inadvertently disengaged it. Living creatures when stabbed move around why is this so hard to understand. When they move around and you are trying to hold the knife you can accidentally release the lock because you are holding it by the lock

So my whole point was that there are better options for a so called tactical knife that was supposedly developed as a self defense weapon than this type of lock.

I am sorry a lot of you folks don't like my opinion and all bought into the big frame lock tactical thing.
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Frame lock ≠ tactical.

Marketing and design make a knife "tactical", along with a million other things. There are beautiful and elegant knives made with frame locks, and there are tactical knives with liner locks.

Your knee jerk reaction to frame locks just doesn't hold water. Use the right tool for the job and there will never be worries about failure if you're using quality equipment.
 
Sometimes it's just what you have at hand. Everyone needs to stop being so anal about it. The guy said he normally carries fixed blades, but that's all he happened to have at the moment. Sometimes people get so very defensive about their favorite toys.
 
I understand what the op is saying to an extent. The tacticool craze has given rise to some pretty ridiculous knife designs. It plays into the civilian Special Forces fantasy. That being said, you can't have true innovation without some pretty spectacular failures along the way. I know a couple 18 series guys who rave about the Cold Steel Recon, not my cup of tea but they like them. For average everyday use, all lock designs will hold up without closing on you. How many people "need" a knife that you can pound through a steel ammo can? Not too many. How many people "want" a knife you can pound through an ammo can? Obviously quite a few.
 
Hmm, didn't an SF Soldier use a Recon on that stupid Deadliest Warrior show? And I knew an SF E-7 who showed off a pair of Recons (Ultra lock models) that were his favorite folding knives. He also collected some Randalls, Harleys and Breitlings.
 
I just read the back and forth re the 'tacticool' Benchmade 630 Skirmish and the self-inflicted injury a PA gator hunter suffered. Sorry for your troubles. But... really... a Skirmish is 'tacticool'? Even from the A/C-ed comfort of my armchair here at my computer, I don't see that. Below is my Skirmish with my most 'tacticool' knives - ZT's. I'd guess that the 0301 looks the 'coolest'. The Skirmish - with it's bevelled blade holes, colorful divits in it's green Ti handle - it really does look kind of 'girley-man' - and weighs <7 oz. I don't know which of the below knives is most appropriate to 'stab' with, perhaps the ZT-0551, but the Skirmish is in last place. Heck, any fb would be better than even the ZT. I guess it's age... but a folding knife, to me, is for cutting.

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Why let the gator suffer? I would think a small (cheap) .22 rimfire revolver aimed at the base of it's head would dispatch him quickly - and, with shorts or longs, leave minimal energy to hole the boat. It's been decades since I hunted, but I remember, even as a child, you learn to quickly and humanely dispatch your target.

Stainz
 
hardheart said:
Hmm, didn't an SF Soldier use a Recon on that stupid Deadliest Warrior show? And I knew an SF E-7 who showed off a pair of Recons (Ultra lock models) that were his favorite folding knives. He also collected some Randalls, Harleys and Breitlings.
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[video=youtube;QHSXZnxLZ0I]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHSXZnxLZ0I[/video]

Found this gem while looking for the SEAL video, this is just silly.
[video=youtube;cZ9Y7L8RmzU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=cZ9Y7L8RmzU&feature=fvwrel[/video]
 
Wow...those videos are pretty special...

Honestly as the second one was finishing I thought to myself "you know what self, you might just be dumber for having seen that".

In all seriousness though, its unfair to lump all modern knives in with travesties like the p001 pistol knife. Yes, all mall ninja type knives are modern. No, not all modern knives are for mall ninjas.

For me personally, I work in a kitchen. Often times I am holding a bag or box of something (for example a 20lb bag of penne pasta) and have to reach for my knife, open my knife, and cut the bag open all with one hand. Could I have preemptively opened a traditional slipjoint and set it in the counter next to me before picking up the bag if penne? Of course I could have, but it wouldn't have been nearly as efficient or convenient. Modern folders have their place, there is no denying it. The locking mechanisms and one hand opening methods can only be seen as advancement in knife making and claiming anything else is just people sticking to tradition and what they know. I don't think any of us would argue with the fact that most traditional folders with exotic natural handle materials and classic lines look nicer than many modern designs, but I don't think many if us would argue that advancement in technology (locks, thumbstuds/holes, modern super steels) has done anything but good for the knife industry as a whole. My grandpa carries only a case peanut. He thinks its plenty knife for him. When I carry only my case peanut I feel under-knifed. To each his own.
 
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