Why so many hideous folders?

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stabman said:
Riiight, Chris Reeve doens't know anything about proper knife design...
Must be why he keeps winning all those awards, because of how stupid the design is...
And everyone knows that only the stupidest of designs get copied by huge numbers of people...

Well, this once again has proven that the internet is really for porn, and not for learning anything factual.
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Actually, that is exceedingly true. Skinny jeans? Twilight saga? Shoulder pads? Huge black glasses that don't actually correct vision? Modern rap music in general? Seriously I'm just pulling those out of the air, so they may not completely qualify. The point is, people do what everyone else does, and if that person sells the idea, it doesn't matter whether it actually makes sense or fits the bill. Case in point, folders and fixed blades built like tanks. I just watched a video of the CS Espada XL where the guy showed the warning label, and it stated that such a huge folder was meant for cutting only. No stabbing, chopping, hammering etc. I'm sure that Strider/Hinderer/ZT/BM Adamas knives are fantastic in say, military situations where your knife has to be a beast. But honestly, how often does a person break a knife from hard use in the majority of civilian life? Someone sold the idea, and it took off, whether it made sense or not. There was nothing wrong with liner locks, but someone wanted to sell their idea, so now framelocks are in style. At the cost of one of the scales, which honestly takes away any sense of symmetry regardless of handle profile. IMHO, whether they work or not is irrelevant. If one half of your knife looks different than the other half, it's honestly kinda ugly. Therefore I see it as a design flaw from a purely aesthetic standpoint. To each their own.
 
MSGBN said:
Thanks...!. Please let all the forum members know that it okay to sell all of their knives at this time.
GROUP BUY ON GINSU"S!. Imagine the savings!.
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Why?

You seem to have confused your own personal preference towards smoke & mirrors marketing to a need for others to follow in the same direction.
 
Lock-up on my large Skirmish isn't all that great compared to some of the other frame-locks I own. Maybe some might be better than others? I mean just to dismiss an entire type of knives because one failed stabbing an unruly amour-plated large reptile, cutting the user is being too inclusive perhaps. Maybe more gators should be stabbed in a like manner and the results documented, before we jump to conclusions?

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There are quite a few 'tactical' folders that are neither ugly or impractical.
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I have used the heck out of my ZT0300. It fits my needs to a T, I actually use it for things other than opening boxes. Eye of the beholder I guess, I love the way it looks.
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jdm61 said:
LOL. Would you please be so kind as to define precisely what that task is? Perhaps I should think about designing a surreality-based folder. I could call it the DALIanimator. I see a rhinoce...........I mean I see a flipper.:D
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I want the surreality-based folder.

And an Ariel Atom.
 
I would sooner believe that JParannes fingers/hand accidentally disengaged the lock than i would that torqueing it sideways did.
No reason to blame an entire line of knives for what is most likely 100% user error.
Who in their right mind tries to dispatch a live and struggling gator with a folding knife anyways........
 
marcinek said:
I don't think anybody here claimed there weren't.
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Hey Folks,

Id have to agree with the opening post. I see a lot of knives that tend to be produced more towards the fantasy aspect of what TACTICAL means more so that the Utilitarian aspect of what it means. We see saws, blood grooves, glass breakers, seat belt cutters and everything else under the sun on folders anymore.




I think also true tactical/using grade folders get a bad rap when the fantasy/Rambo stuff is lumped into the same category.

As far as why there is a bare sided aspect to the frame lock, ive wondered that too. The only thing i can come up with is thickness, for the frame lock side it is usually the same thickness as the public side that features thinner titanium with a g-10 handle that ends up equaling the total thickness of the lock-bar side, but I think there is a way to vary thicknesses to still allow for a two sided g-10 blade while maintaining strength of lockup . Just my 2cents.

Regards,

Velocity knives
 
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jill jackson said:
That's sort of a poor blade shape to stab a gator with anyway.
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Well geez Jill what do you know of stabbing alligators ? :)

First off I don't like folders I am a fixed blade user

I was traveling thru Louisiana visiting a friend in Venice we were big game fishing

One day my buddy said I got a buddy with gator tags you wanna go ?

I replied yes I'm into bow hunting etc. so I called he and had my wife ship me a bow rig 2 nd day air and I forgot to tell her to ship a fixed blade

So the skirmish is what I had as a traveling knife

Turns out it was RJ and his son Jay Paul from Swamp people well before they got famous

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We were just filling tags with a bow instead of a long line

We shot about an 8 footer pulled him in the boat alive it was dark we tapped his mouth and tied him up

Later on we decided to keep him they told me to dispatch him I did not want to shoot him thru the head into the bottom of an aluminum boat

I used what knife I had

Bad choice

It was dark and slippery and like I said things happen

Kinda the same situation you would run into using your over built frame lock tactical folder for :)

I flat out don't care for frame locks and don't care what any of you arm chair tactical adventures think

The op asked what do people see in these knives ?

I work the blade show every year and I watch the masses line up to spend a fortune on over built ugly frame locks most are arm chair tacticool guys in green and brown shirts with a gut that do nothing with them

I know a lot of swat and special forces guys take it from me they don't carry high end big frame locks with skull bead lanyards

You guys have fun I'm done :)
 
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Karda said:
I would sooner believe that JParannes fingers/hand accidentally disengaged the lock than i would that torqueing it sideways did.
No reason to blame an entire line of knives for what is most likely 100% user error.
Who in their right mind tries to dispatch a live and struggling gator with a folding knife anyways........
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Hey Karda I've done more in a long weekend outdoors than you have in your whole life

Before I get an infraction I'm out of here
 
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I know the blade shape on a Skirmish is sort of bluntish compared to some knives and I always thought of it as more of a slasher type knife than a stabber.
 
JParanee said:
We where just filling tags with a bow instead of a long line

We shot about an 8 footer pulled him in the boat alive it was dark we tapped his mouth and tied him up

Later on we decided to keep him they told me to dispatch him I did not want to shoot him thru the head into the bottom of an aluminum boat
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So, the gator was shot with a bow and then the decision was made to keep him? What would they do otherwise?
 
If they are to small they aren't going to waste a tag so they measure them

Do you really think comercial gator hunters are gonna waste tags on small gators ?

When you shoot a gator in the back with a recurve bow fishing rig you are not getting tremendous Penetration the barb will hook and hopefully not pull out You can cut the barb out on some and release them they will heal up. Crocs, gator's etc have incredible immune systems and heal up after some incredible injuries Hence all the one legged gators etc.

Please don't start the Vegan nonsense with me I really don't care :)
 
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Karda said:
I would sooner believe that JParannes fingers/hand accidentally disengaged the lock than i would that torqueing it sideways did.
No reason to blame an entire line of knives for what is most likely 100% user error.
Who in their right mind tries to dispatch a live and struggling gator with a folding knife anyways........
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He did say that that's what he had at the time, that another person threw it to him. It's so easy to blame the operator, but in a safer design, there is both less chance of lock failure and much less chance of operator error.
 
JParanee said:
If they are to small they aren't going to waste a tag so they measure them

Do you really think comercial gator hunters are gonna waste tags on small gators ?

When you shoot a gator in the back with a recurve bow rig you are not getting tremendous Penetration the barb will hook and hopefully not pull out You can cut the barb out on some and release them they will heal up. Crocs, gator's etc have incredible immune systems and heal up after some incredible injuries Hence all the one legged gators etc.

Please don't start the Vegan nonsense with me I really don't care :)
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Nobody started anything with you, I just asked what they'd do with it otherwise.
 
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