Why Won't Noss Stand Behind His "Work?"

[Phil Elmore]

And if one wants Fido to fetch, one gets him a stick. Nice avatar, btw.

Yeah, show me in the Bible where it says that people on the internet have to give out their name because Phil Elmore did. There is no "moral obligation" for Noss to reveal a damn thing. He's breaking knives on youtube, not slandering knifemaker's families or anything. And if I was Noss, I wouldn't want some crazed knifemaker groupie sending me a mail-bomb either.

The moral obligation stems from making public criticism of other people's work. If you're going to do that, you ought to take responsibility for that public criticism and allow those whose work you are attacking to face their accuser.

Plenty of people are completely okay with the behavior of anonymous critics like "Noss," and that speaks to the culture of Internet anonymity more than anything. But the people whose knives "Noss" destroys are real people with real lives and real identities, whose businesses may possibly be affected by his little stunts. If he's going to do that he ought to be willing to stake his reputation on it.

 

[Phil Elmore]

WTF does the bible have to do with anything?

Phil wants Noss to play by the rules as Phil sees them. If Noss was that "moral" he wouldn't be posting his "Knife Test" tomfoolery as legitimate tests. I understand where your coming from Phil, and agree with your points, but put on a jason mask and beat some knives with a hammer for a while then ask yourself how obligated you feel to the maker of the knife you just destroyed. Noss doses not seem to be the kind of person I would want to associate with, that said I think it's unreasonable to hold him to the higher moral standard that most people and companies involved in serious testing and evaluation of products adhere to. [emphasis added]

Exactly. By hiding while conducting his "tests," he bears no responsibility nor accountability to the real people whose work he is criticizing. When people then make conclusions about that work based on his anonymous, unaccountable stunts, a disservice to both knife makers and knife owners is done.

 

[randyha]

OK. Noss doesn't reveal his identity. You don't like that. We get it.
Yawn

 

[Kiah]

This argument amuses me when it comes up. Noss wears a mask for his own reasons. If you don't like it, don't watch the vids. Maybe it's just his gimmick. It certainly got your attention.

On the issue of hiding his identity. Some of us know who Noss is, but I don't blame him for keeping it from most. Considering the reactions he gets on the forums, he would have a heck of a time going to a show if everyone knew his "true identity". Justin Gingrich knows what Noss looks like without the mask, and I'm sure other makers wouldn't have much trouble finding out either. Chris Reeve and Jerry Busse have his name and address. He's not hiding from makers.

As far as the "Cliff Stamp" thing goes. You know better than that.

 

[sunnyd]

And if one wants Fido to fetch, one gets him a stick. Nice avatar, btw.

Yeah, show me in the Bible where it says that people on the internet have to give out their name because Phil Elmore did. There is no "moral obligation" for Noss to reveal a damn thing. He's breaking knives on youtube, not slandering knifemaker's families or anything. And if I was Noss, I wouldn't want some crazed knifemaker groupie sending me a mail-bomb either.

You are amusing, I will give you that. Thanks about the avatar by the way. It took a long time to train that dog to do that.

So seriously, you think that some crazed knife makers evil groupies are actually going to perform a harmful act on Mr. Stump? Your kidding of coarse I'm sure, right?

It all comes down to credibility is all. He claims his tests are "scientific" and impugns the knife makers work and they're reputations subsequent to his supposed "tests" and does it anonymously behind a mask. He just cannot be taken seriously. We don't know who he is or what his credentials are and not even what he looks like. Its in your face showmanship.

 

[Phil Elmore]

he would have a heck of a time going to a show if everyone knew his "true identity".

Why? If he's not doing anything improper, why does he need to hide? What exactly would happen to him?

 

[Fieldtestornothing]

This argument amuses me when it comes up. Noss wears a mask for his own reasons. If you don't like it, don't watch the vids. Maybe it's just his gimmick. It certainly got your attention.

On the issue of hiding his identity. Some of us know who Noss is, but I don't blame him for keeping it from most. Considering the reactions he gets on the forums, he would have a heck of a time going to a show if everyone knew his "true identity". Justin Gingrich knows what Noss looks like without the mask, and I'm sure other makers wouldn't have much trouble finding out either. Chris Reeve and Jerry Busse have his name and address. He's not hiding from makers.

As far as the "Cliff Stamp" thing goes. You know better than that.

+1 This doesn't have anything to do with Cliff. You should know better than that. Talking sh!t about someone behind someone's back is the act of a coward.

 

[Phil Elmore]

In what way does this thread in any way constitute talking behind anyone's back? It's posted in a public forum, and one presumably that "Noss" reads. My name and my phone number are publicly attached to it. Why, if "Noss" has a problem with anything I've said, I'm certainly not hiding from him, to borrow the logic of his supporters.

 

[Kiah]

Why? If he's not doing anything improper, why does he need to hide? What exactly would happen to him?

I would imagine he would be pestered to death by a few adults acting like toddlers and demanding he answer their every little question as if what he did was any of their business.

 

[symphonyincminor]

Phil - you're like the antithesis of Noss - you love attention (like this thread - must.. garner... attention... somehow...) and you aren't afraid of posting 400 pictures of yourself all over your goofy website.

Have you every considered the fact that not everyone craves the attention that you do?

 

[Phil Elmore]

Don't project your personal failings on me, please. This has nothing to do with attention. It has to do wih taking responsibility for your actions.

 

[symphonyincminor]

He's taking more responsibility than most by simply video taping and documenting his "tests." Not enough for you? You need a face to go along with that? Tough shit, I suppose.

You seem to have more of an agenda (see: this thread) than he does.

 

[sunnyd]

Phil - you're like the antithesis of Noss - you love attention (like this thread - must.. garner... attention... somehow...) and you aren't afraid of posting 400 pictures of yourself all over your goofy website.

Have you every considered the fact that not everyone craves the attention that you do?

Now here is an intelligent post with real substance.

Does it make you feel good to disregard the legitimate argument at hand and instead of stating your case, you lash out at them personally?

I suppose you are not the first one here to do it. But this sort of thing is just gratuitous immaturity. Come back in when you have mustered up the courage to post something to say that remotely resembles viable content.

 

[Phil Elmore]

He's taking more responsibility than most by simply video taping and documenting his "tests." Not enough for you? You need a face to go along with that? Tough shit, I suppose.

You seem to have more of an agenda (see: this thread) than he does.

Well, I'll grant you that a video of a silly stunt at least proves the stunt took place in earnest; it's better than posting pictures of a broken knife and anonymously making claims about it.

My only "agenda" is in raising the issue of taking responsibility for your public criticism of others' work. This "Noss" gets a lot of attention for the criticism he films and the conclusions he makes publicly. As a result, certain obligations must be accepted if one is to claim to be honest and objective. Now, if he wishes to say, "No, sorry, I'm neither honest nor objective," then fine.

 

[Kiah]

Don't project your personal failings on me, please. This has nothing to do with attention. It has to do wih taking responsibility for your actions.

As has done been mentioned. The makers who want to know who Noss is know who he is. He's not hiding from them, so I don't see how he's failing to take responsibility for his own actions. Just because you don't know doesn't mean you should throw an internet tantrum and demand that knowledge. I don't know the real names of most of the posters on this forum, but I'm not going to call them out just because they post something I don't like. I'll either respond to them with whatever they choose to call themselves or just ignore them. It's the internet, not a job interview.

And in case you're wondering, my username is my real name.

 

[Phil Elmore]

When one posts one's criticism publicly, one should take responsibility for it publicly.

 

[jacktrades_nbk]

personal reasons would be my idea of noss disguising himself, whatever those reasons might be...
anyway, maybe some good old member would point me in the right direction to find out why was cliff stamp banned from BF...im curious and didnt understood why, because as i see it, he has great knowledge in knives...
thanks

 

[Phil Elmore]

If I remember correctly, he got angry and insulted Spark, or something along those lines. The first rule of not getting banned is not insulting the site owner.

 

[Kiah]

When one posts one's criticism publicly, one should take responsibility for it publicly.

Then why single out Noss? You should post a separate thread for every person who's posted a review in this forum without there real name and a picture. Let's not be picky now.

 

[jacktrades_nbk]

thanks Phil, now i know a little more...