Will there be a 2017 forum knife?

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Hopefully Barry, Charlie, and GEC can give us another great forum knife this year.

If for some reason it doesn't happen, Victorinox might be another option. They frequently make custom alox knives for groups, and some BladeForum vendors carry SAK, and some of these vendors offer engraving.. for example DLT.

Seems like the first step is to see if GEC is willing to do a forum knife again.
 
I'd love to see a traditional forum knife again this year, but I would keep it a simple mainstream design and go with the frame that is scheduled for production at GEC.
 
Tilley Knife said:
I am sorry. I certainly didn't mean to come off as being spiteful or sarcastic and I apologize if my post indicated otherwise. I thought the ";)" would have indicated that. I didn't see railsplitter's response since we were obviously typing at the same time. I also immediately edited my response with a link to the original thread for your convenience. There was once a time in the traditional subforum when people were not so easily riled up and things were taken in the sense that we are all friends here. I feel like that is changing so I will respectfully bow out of this thread. Kindest regards
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Hear hear. This is exactly why if there wasn't a forum knife this year, I'd totally understand. The sheer size of the buying pool means the project would be massive for ten men to take on, much less one or two. Add to that the amount of venom I've seen on here lately, well it makes the whoever shoulders the burden the target for many slings and arrows.

That said, if some people do come forward to make this happen, maybe a kickstarter-like website could help us get the funds together? I think it will also require a lot of gratitude and understanding on the part of those buying.
 
I'd say just go with the GEC production schedule. It worked out great last year.
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Dr-Mabuse said:
Hear hear. This is exactly why if there wasn't a forum knife this year, I'd totally understand.
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Sadly, some things never change. One of the reasons I've begun to dread the annual thread related to this topic :thumbdn:
 
cbr1000 said:
If for some reason it doesn't happen, Victorinox might be another option. They frequently make custom alox knives for groups, and some BladeForum vendors carry SAK, and some of these vendors offer engraving.. for example DLT.
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I think that would be a really cool option. How about the Pioneer X in a cool colour? I've yet to see it in anything but the regular silver.
 
For some reason the yearly forum knife seems to bring out the worst in some folks. I'll leave it at that.
 
Pomsbz said:
I think that would be a really cool option. How about the Pioneer X in a cool colour? I've yet to see it in anything but the regular silver.
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Maybe even a SwissBianco special! :thumbup:
 
Jack Black said:
Sadly, some things never change. One of the reasons I've begun to dread the annual thread related to this topic :thumbdn:
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Peregrin said:
For some reason the yearly forum knife seems to bring out the worst in some folks. I'll leave it at that.
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There is probably some branch of game theory to describe the interactions. A group of people are all involved in determining the outcome of a decision that affects them all. The particular results of the decision may be more positive or less positive for each individual, with each factor being a zero-sum game.

Example - 1095 vs. 440C steel. If I like 1095 and we go with 440C, I lose and someone else wins. Number of blades, size, handle material, etc. A series of zero sum-games.

This inherently creates politics, which is the word we have coined in English to describe the process of people exerting influence over others to attempt to change outcomes to their individual or group benefits. Also the process used to distribute scarce resources between competing groups. Raw power, influencing, selling, persuading, etc.

So if what I would dearly love to own is a GEC Pemberton 2-blade in 440C with jigged bone handles in some sort of brownish color, then I have an incentive to fight tooth and claw for each one of those features. If we end up with some sort of atrocity such as whatever your theoretical perfect knife is, and not my perfect vision of knife sublimity, then I will be all pouty and will add you to my friends list just so I can unfriend you, so there!

So unless there is a general overall consensus of what everyone wants, you end up with all of these little political factions and the forum becomes a micro-cosm of the world in general. It helps you understand why countries can't get along to watch the dynamics in a little fishbowl of generally like-minded people fighting over something as simple as a pocket knife design.

My sister once described it to me in more simple terms. If you keep asking a 3-year old what they want, they will constantly change their mind and get overwhelmed by the choices. If you just put a cookie in their hand, they will eat it. A group of several hundred rational adults, when combined into a group-mind, is basically an undecisive 3-year old and will throw a tantrum. Just give it a cookie.
 
rockgolfer said:
Wasn't that a new frame for last year's knife? What production knives were offered with this frame last year?
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Jeff, to my recollection, you are correct. Charlie did the ebony Harness Jack in conjunction but the 35 was the 2016 forum design......and it was indeed marvelous.

Here is the thread for those who missed it. Albeit, a lot to read through, you can see the development of the result based on direct input by the forum members. Thanks again to the fine gentlemen that make this possible.

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waynorth said:
While I am not 100% committed, I can feel myself being drawn into helping to bring about just one more Forum Knife.:rolleyes:
If I get the OKs from the powers that be (that includes all of you!), and if we can come to a consensus on a knife and the handling of it, I'm in. I feel that the sense of community this tradition brings about is invaluable!

Still in the research and development stage, I just had a talk with Spark, who owns Bladeforums, and he has renewed his OK for 2016. We are using his trade name, so we need that permission.

GEC has informed me they are fine-tuning their schedule, and while incorporating a Forum knife into it, it will be impossible to do such a complicated knife as the Scout!! Sniff . . . . .
My apologies for diving into that one too soon, but maybe someone can bring us there in future years - I hope. On the good side, I think we can bring it back to the $100 limit!!:thumbup:
The silver lining!!

We can however do a one-blade or two-blade knife, and possibly bring in a new pattern, ironically, the one that would form the basis of a future scout, a 3 3/4" Equal ender! That is if we wish. Otherwise, we can possibly make it on the #15 frame, or whatever they have in the schedule this year. I suggested a single-spring knife, and Bill said yes he could do that. Maybe we could do an abbreviated scout, with a utility blade at one end (a Radio-Scout? - 0r??). If anyone has an older knife with those blades, please post a pic, or send me one!

So, is this path making sense to you my friends? Please comment, suggest, criticize (keep it positive if you don't mind!) and send in/post pics of anything interesting! I await your feedback!!
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jc57 said:
...My sister once described it to me in more simple terms. If you keep asking a 3-year old what they want, they will constantly change their mind and get overwhelmed by the choices. If you just put a cookie in their hand, they will eat it. A group of several hundred rational adults, when combined into a group-mind, is basically an undecisive 3-year old and will throw a tantrum. Just give it a cookie.
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I agree. That is why I never got very involved in the choices and those never ending discussions. After the choices were made, I made my own decision as to whether or not I wanted the knife regardless of price. I was looking at the design. I want practical functionality and don't care what the shield looks like, what the handle material is generally, or even the blade steel (1095 vs 440C). My choice last year was to pass, but I do have some regrets.
 
Pomsbz said:
I think that would be a really cool option. How about the Pioneer X in a cool colour? I've yet to see it in anything but the regular silver.
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Jack Black said:
Maybe even a SwissBianco special! :thumbup:
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I'd personally like to see a GEC product, but if the time involved and risks are too much trouble I would think a special edition SAK would be an easy route to go. Some of the blade forum vendors already do SAK SFO's. SAK's are liked by a broad base of modern and traditional knife users. A Pioneer X, or Farmer, in bicolor would be great.
 
There is a trick to influencing people. The trick is to put out a logical argument and let people think it over and come to the same conclusion on their own.

No one but me may remember, but I take credit (if only in my own mind) for being the pebble that started the avalanche that resulted in the success of the 2014 BF knife. In this post: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1160105-2014-Forum-Knife?p=13273943#post13273943 I suggested that we needed a wise leader (I used the term 'czar') who would steer us in the direction of rationality and only allow those choices that made sense.

We got Charlie Campagna, who is who I had in mind in the first place, and he led us to a glorious result in the 2014 stag forum knife. I am not the king. I am the king-maker.

For my next mind control trick - Jack Black, you seem thirsty. Wouldn't a nice cool beverage hit the spot about now?
 
jc57 said:
There is a trick to influencing people. The trick is to put out a logical argument and let people think it over and come to the same conclusion on their own.

No one but me may remember, but I take credit (if only in my own mind) for being the pebble that started the avalanche that resulted in the success of the 2014 BF knife. In this post: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1160105-2014-Forum-Knife?p=13273943#post13273943 I suggested that we needed a wise leader (I used the term 'czar') who would steer us in the direction of rationality and only allow those choices that made sense.

We got Charlie Campagna, who is who I had in mind in the first place, and he led us to a glorious result in the 2014 stag forum knife. I am not the king. I am the king-maker.

For my next mind control trick - Jack Black, you seem thirsty. Wouldn't a nice cool beverage hit the spot about now?
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rothfl :applouse:
 
jc57 said:
There is a trick to influencing people. The trick is to put out a logical argument and let people think it over and come to the same conclusion on their own.

No one but me may remember, but I take credit (if only in my own mind) for being the pebble that started the avalanche that resulted in the success of the 2014 BF knife. In this post: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1160105-2014-Forum-Knife?p=13273943#post13273943 I suggested that we needed a wise leader (I used the term 'czar') who would steer us in the direction of rationality and only allow those choices that made sense.

We got Charlie Campagna, who is who I had in mind in the first place, and he led us to a glorious result in the 2014 stag forum knife. I am not the king. I am the king-maker.

For my next mind control trick - Jack Black, you seem thirsty. Wouldn't a nice cool beverage hit the spot about now?
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The Art of the Deal
 
rockgolfer said:
Wasn't that a new frame for last year's knife? What production knives were offered with this frame last year?
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Yes it was, but since our forum knife didn't have enough to meet the SFO requirement Charlie pitched in for the remaining 150 to have his SFO made.
 
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