Winkler Stress

foxx said:
By reading the descriptions, it becomes obvious that the Spike is designed for those that may need to pry and puncture. Seems like it's more for a combat or military person. You say you don't need the Combat Axe, I'm guessing you don't need a combat knife either. The Belt knife looks like the perfect choice for EDC, camping, and a perfect pairing to a Winkler hawk or axe.
Figure out what you need a tool to do and then find the right tool. If you don't know what you need, you'll likely not be happy with what ever you get, just my $.02
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I can't argue that I don't technically "need" a combat knife, though it's something I could actually carry day-to-day and use for larger cutting tasks, whereas I believe it's illegal in my area to carry a tomahawk everywhere(Not to mention the looks I'd get! ;) ). Again, I DO plan on getting the Combat Axe at some point, I just feel there's some other things I need to take care of currently, and saving the extra $250 or so and still getting the awesome craftsmanship in a tool I'm more likely to use seems like a better idea.
 
I'm asking, will you pry with the knife? How abusive are you with such things? The Belt Knife seems like a better design for normal knife duties. Where the Spike is designed for Operators that end up prying and needing that pointed pommel for breaking glass or maybe fighting. Do you want that pommel jabbing you in the side all day while you drive around doing normal EDC things?
The Belt knife, is made to be worn on your BELT, that's what I'd get.
 
foxx said:
I'm asking, will you pry with the knife? How abusive are you with such things? The Belt Knife seems like a better design for normal knife duties. Where the Spike is designed for Operators that end up prying and needing that pointed pommel for breaking glass or maybe fighting. Do you want that pommel jabbing you in the side all day while you drive around doing normal EDC things?
The Belt knife, is made to be worn on your BELT, that's what I'd get.
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+1

The belt knife seems to be more useful for everyday carry.

I just ordered the WK II Stealth Axe Front Spike. Hopefully you withdrawing your order bumped mine up a little. Haha ;)
 
+1 for FOXX on the last post... if you don't need a fighting knife, don't get one. any knife with a pointed pommel... dating back to the V-42 is going to do nothing but dig into your side when you bend over or whatnot. the belt knife is a well thought out design and a knife you will want to use and carry all the time, and yes! it's all the knife you (or 99% of us) will ever need. Good choice on picking the belt knife over the Hawk. you are likely going to get soooo much more use out of it than a tactical hawk that is probably going to get most of it's use being fondled in front of the TV (that's all I have done with mine, and I've had it for over a year, lol)
 
Haven't got my belt knife yet (ordered 7 weeks ago and once it's finished will have to wait even longer till it has shipped to Europe and get through customs..) but definitely think that for non military purposes it would be better than the spike. I am very happy about the belt knife having a tapered tang which the spike doesn't have so I could imagine that the spike would be more handle heavy. Maybe start saving for the camp axe after I get the belt knife, not the most sexy axe in his collection but would definitely be the one that would be perfect for me, like to carve with a hawk so need to be able to baton it and I really want a hammer on my hawk when I'm camping/travelling. I love the design on the combat & sayoc hawks but I wouldn't have enough use for them, too much money for 'just' a piece of art.. (at least too much for me to afford)
 
rustyrazor said:
+1 for FOXX on the last post... if you don't need a fighting knife, don't get one. any knife with a pointed pommel... dating back to the V-42 is going to do nothing but dig into your side when you bend over or whatnot. the belt knife is a well thought out design and a knife you will want to use and carry all the time, and yes! it's all the knife you (or 99% of us) will ever need. Good choice on picking the belt knife over the Hawk. you are likely going to get soooo much more use out of it than a tactical hawk that is probably going to get most of it's use being fondled in front of the TV (that's all I have done with mine, and I've had it for over a year, lol)
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Isn't the belt knife more of an actual fighter?
 
Seems like a well rounded tool, "a lightweight and high performance tool". Any knife with a point can stab, but even military guys need to cut things, so we all need a fixed blade at times.


Dan just emailed me today, my Camp Axe is ready! It will look like this one.....black micarta, Caswell finish

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foxx said:
Seems like a well rounded tool, "a lightweight and high performance tool". Any knife with a point can stab, but even military guys need to cut things, so we all need a fixed blade at times.


Dan just emailed me today, my Camp Axe is ready! It will look like this one.....black micarta, Caswell finish

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Lucky man! I'm going to go with the Belt Knife (Edwood told me to see if I can get serrations, so I'm going to ask about some serrations on the spine to save cutting edge) with either smooth or sculpted maple. Dang, I may have to go with the Camp Axe instead. Playing with my Pipe Hawk reminds me of my love of chopping on one side and smashing the heck out of things with the other! :D
 
The Camp Axe seems like the "regular" man's version of the Combat Axe. I could be wrong, but the dimensions and weight are almost exactly the same. Maybe the spike and the shape of the head give it a different feel, IDK. I would like to compare the two at some point, but it will have to be someone else's Combat Axe.
I can compare it to the Sayoc, once I get the Camp Axe, but they are apples and oranges, even though they weight the same.
For my needs, the Camp Axe is the only Winkler Axe I could really use, because I do go camping. I have the Sayoc, but I hope I never have to use it. I will get to use the Camp Axe, that's why I'm getting it. Watch out wood, I'm gonna chop ya, then I'm gonna burn ya!:D
 
foxx said:
The Camp Axe seems like the "regular" man's version of the Combat Axe. I could be wrong, but the dimensions and weight are almost exactly the same. Maybe the spike and the shape of the head give it a different feel, IDK. I would like to compare the two at some point, but it will have to be someone else's Combat Axe.
I can compare it to the Sayoc, once I get the Camp Axe, but they are apples and oranges, even though they weight the same.
For my needs, the Camp Axe is the only Winkler Axe I could really use, because I do go camping. I have the Sayoc, but I hope I never have to use it. I will get to use the Camp Axe, that's why I'm getting it. Watch out wood, I'm gonna chop ya, then I'm gonna burn ya!:D
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Better go smash some cinder-blocks, too. Don't want the flat-side feeling left out! ;)
 
That's a nice looking hawk Foxx. Looks like a great design for someone who wants to cover lots of ground easily yet still be prepared.

Hope to see a review when you get it.
 
I realize that you've made your decision in choosing to exchange your pricey 'hawk, but if you don't mind me asking, which winkler did you get and how much did you end up paying for it?

I know this suggestion might make me sound like I'm coming off as a salesperson, but have you ever heard of/checked out the line of Hardcore Hardware Australia tomahawks? If not, check them out on our online store! click here!

Again, this may seem a bit of a biased suggestion, but I'm not posting this to sell. I'm strictly inquiring because many of the HHA customers we've had were interested in considering/comparing to a Winkler but had decided on HHA's quality products at a much more reasonable price, so feel free to browse our selection and ask us anything! We're here to help and love learning a thing or two about other makes/models as well!
 
VolundoftheForge said:
Isn't the belt knife more of an actual fighter?
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go on the site and check em both out... it will be pretty aparent by the shape of both of these blades which one is more "fighter" oriented. The belt knife is simply a well rounded knife for EDC of a person who needs a solid fixed blade. the spike would be more suited for a fighting knife... if anyone ever needed a "fighting" knife (and I can imagine most don't... including the OP, as you have noted). That being said, I would pick the belt knife over the spike regardless... it's just a damn good knife design, and if the problem of needing a knife to fight with, i'm positive it won't let you down.
 
DullKnifeTerminator said:
I realize that you've made your decision in choosing to exchange your pricey 'hawk, but if you don't mind me asking, which winkler did you get and how much did you end up paying for it?

I know this suggestion might make me sound like I'm coming off as a salesperson, but have you ever heard of/checked out the line of Hardcore Hardware Australia tomahawks? If not, check them out on our online store! click here!

Again, this may seem a bit of a biased suggestion, but I'm not posting this to sell. I'm strictly inquiring because many of the HHA customers we've had were interested in considering/comparing to a Winkler but had decided on HHA's quality products at a much more reasonable price, so feel free to browse our selection and ask us anything! We're here to help and love learning a thing or two about other makes/models as well!
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Easy there chief. Hardcore has made a business by ripping off other people's design features, Mr. Winkler included. I realize you are the dealer for their product but don't snipe into a discussion about another hawk maker and cheer-lead for Hardcore. Of course they are cheaper, they didn't have to invest into designing it or actually manufacturing it themselves.

As for the original question, I realize I am late in the game in replying but feel it would be good to do so - I would look at an order for anything from WKII as money in the bank. If you don't like it then flip it and make a profit. The product is good and there is a ready market for it.

We have customers who buy one of our hawks, carry it for a tour and then sell it for twice what they paid for it when back home, scratches, dings and all. That is not too shabby.

That being said, enjoy your knife!
 
Again, although we are a dealer for HHA, my post's intentions were NOT to get a sale or "cheer-lead" for a brand we carry, it was simply an honest suggestion since many people we've talked to regarding tomahawks have been on the fence between HHA and Winkler.

I didn't mean to "snipe" into the discussion either. I personally like to have as many options in front of me as possible, and seeing that HHA is a fairly new brand that many people have never heard of, I figured this guy might want another option as well (regardless of other's opinions on a specific brand/model, it's just nice to have as much helpful input as possible)

Sorry if I came off the wrong way, I'm very new to this forum (and forums in general) and was just trying to be active in this online community and help a fellow forum member :)
 
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DullKnifeTerminator said:
Again, although we are a dealer for HHA, my post's intentions were NOT to get a sale or "cheer-lead" for a brand we carry, it was simply an honest suggestion since many people we've talked to regarding tomahawks have been on the fence between HHA and Winkler.

I didn't mean to "snipe" into the discussion either. I personally like to have as many options in front of me as possible, and seeing that HHA is a fairly new brand that many people have never heard of, I figured this guy might want another option as well (regardless of other's opinions on a specific brand/model, it's just nice to have as much helpful input as possible)

Just trying to help a forum friend :)
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Sorry friend, but I just can't see the benefit of D2 tomahawk.
 
DullKnifeTerminator said:
Again, although we are a dealer for HHA, my post's intentions were NOT to get a sale or "cheer-lead" for a brand we carry, it was simply an honest suggestion since many people we've talked to regarding tomahawks have been on the fence between HHA and Winkler.

I didn't mean to "snipe" into the discussion either. I personally like to have as many options in front of me as possible, and seeing that HHA is a fairly new brand that many people have never heard of, I figured this guy might want another option as well (regardless of other's opinions on a specific brand/model, it's just nice to have as much helpful input as possible)

Just trying to help a forum friend :)
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Lets be fair here; no one is debating getting the HHA over a Winkler II based on quality. They are cheaper with a few of the features taken that they like. The price they pay is an extra half pound and (IMO) relatively inferior steel when comparing the LFT to the full sized RnD.
 
RMJ Tactical said:
Easy there chief. Hardcore has made a business by ripping off other people's design features, Mr. Winkler included. I realize you are the dealer for their product but don't snipe into a discussion about another hawk maker and cheer-lead for Hardcore. Of course they are cheaper, they didn't have to invest into designing it or actually manufacturing it themselves.

As for the original question, I realize I am late in the game in replying but feel it would be good to do so - I would look at an order for anything from WKII as money in the bank. If you don't like it then flip it and make a profit. The product is good and there is a ready market for it.

We have customers who buy one of our hawks, carry it for a tour and then sell it for twice what they paid for it when back home, scratches, dings and all. That is not too shabby.

That being said, enjoy your knife!
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Thanks for the advice! If I dislike the belt knife, I may just sell it and then go for the combat axe(Or maybe an RMJ ;) ). I can't seem to find any videos or tests of the Winkler hawks/knives which is kind of disappointing. Wish I could see and feel them in person before buying, but sometimes we have to take chances, and I trust Mr. Winkler's work.
 
There have been some videos posted here on this forum. He also has a video on youtube. If you read "No Easy Day" you'll note that he mentions very little gear by name, but makes a point to say he was carrying a WKII knife during the Bin Laden Raid.
That's a pretty good endorsement.
RMJ
 
VolundoftheForge said:
Sorry friend, but I just can't see the benefit of D2 tomahawk.
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Hello to everyone,

I'm new to this forum, and I would normally like to ease into a forum before I "bump", barge or even appear to hi-jack my way into a discussion like this, so I apologize in advance, but I saw this and had to ask...

Volund...you hit on something with a very small statement which really piqued my curiosity. I'm new to the more technical aspects of steel, knives and tomahawks. I'm familiar (as much more of an end user) with many of the various steels and a lot of their properties, but I'm not really familiar with D2 and how it is seen by those with more experience as (what seems like) a less than solid choice of steel for a tomahawk. Additionally, if it is treated correctly, would that help make up for any inherent deficiencies for D2 or is it just a bad steel for tomahawks because...?? Thanks for any info. you can provide!

And as far as the "Winkler dilemma" you find yourself in...I would say you have to prioritize which one you'd like to go with FIRST (as it does sound like you're in the enviable position to afford both the belt knife AND the combat axe with some time to build up the funds)! I don't think you can go truly WRONG with Winkler anything, it may just be a case of you liking one thing he has done more over another...but again, just my two cents...Good luck, no matter what you decide!
 
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