Woods knife- my philosophy.

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This is going to be a long one.

Lets talk about the 'survival' knife, the 'bushcraft' knife, and the 'camp knife'. I believe these three categories can be combined to form the 'general woods knife'.

Let me explain. The typical 'survival' knife is usually said to be 'the knife you have with you at all times'. The logic behind this is that a small knife you always have with you can help you more in the wilderness than no knife, because you left your bigger, more capable blade at home. The bushcraft knife, to the enlightened, is sometimes (correctly) seen as a knife which excells at, literally, bushcraft. That is, specializing in wilderness tasks, leaving other things (portability, tactical factor, etc.) as second thoughts, if even considered at all. A few tasks which a 'bushcraft' knife might excell at are making notches, preparing game, making fuzz sticks for kindling (not tinder), etc. The camp knife, though not nearly as popular a buzz word as the other two, shares many attributes of the 'bushcraft' knife, whilst being particularly distinct as well. The camp knife tends to be larger, thicker, maybe more 'robust' than than the bushcraft knife, with an emphasis placed on batonning, chopping, and other heavy duty tasks, yet still allowing compromise for the sake of being able to perform delicate work.

So, what kind of blade can fulfill all these roles effectively? Before I can answer that question, we need to examine a few glaring pieces of information. Firstly, our ancestors could make do with little more than flint. As we know, flint is hardly the most talked about thing on Bladeforums, yet, as humble as it is, flint is a blade. And it is all our ancestors needed. Their experience, knowledge, and understanding of the natural world around them made anything else unnecessary. For example, we can look now to the general population of the United States, and how many of the people you see day to day could survive in the wilderness with a knife, let alone thrive, reproduce, and grow with only a rock? The more skill you have, the less gear you need.

Secondly, we must take into consideration 'tricks'. This is in a way related to the aforementioned skill. When I first began learning wilderness 'survival', I felt a need to chop everything around me- need shelter? chop wood. Need firewood? chop and baton more wood. Essentially, my only skills were chopping and batonning. I was not using any intuition, I felt there was only one way to make a fire, only one way to make a snare, etc. This made it necessary for me to carry a very large blade, something too large for me to have at all times. After some time and practice, and lots of research, I began to learn 'tricks'. I learned that I dont need to chop 1inch saplings, I can simply bend the sapling down, creating pressure on the fibers of the wood, and cut directly in with a sharp knife, easily cutting down these saplings with a minimum of work. I also learned that I could 'notch' all the way around a piece of wood that is too thick to manually break by hand- thus reducing the diameter of the wood, and easily snapping it. If I need a very large diameter log, I can hammer my knife into it, then hammer the blade in a circular motion around the log, and easily push the tree over. I can even pick up the log and place it between a forked tree, and simply push it- breaking it without ever even needing to draw my knife. These 'tricks' eliminated my need to carry a large blade, I could do most things with only a tiny blade now (or at least, comparatively tiny).

This is not to say that a small knife is preferable to a large one- I would much rather have a big blade on me in the woods than a small one, BUT, there is no guarantee that I will get to have what I want- emergencies dont tend to be that way. However, although it is more difficult to build a shelter with the smaller blade, at least I have it- the large blade does me no good at home. This is the 'survival' element of the 'general woods knife'. It has to be portable.

The second element of the woods knife is how well it performs woodland tasks. For example, a razor blade isn't nearly as useful, in an outdoors scenario, as a Spyderco Ladybug. One reason for this is although they have similar blade lengths, the razor is FAR more delicate than the Ladybug. Also, the razor doesnt offer room for your hand- almost all positions are dangerous, while the Ladybug has had extensive research into handle design, to maximize the usability of that small blade. Yes, these are extreme examples, but I am trying to illustrate 'usefulness'. Of course, this, like everything in this post, varies wildly depending on the person- but the same general principles hold true. A useful knife is useful, a useless knife is useless. This is the 'bushcraft' element of the 'woods knife'.

Finally, we come to the 'camp knife' aspect. This tends to either be exaggerated, or unreasonably ignored. One thing we can all know for sure is that there is no guarantee for what tommorrow may bring- ESPECIALLY in a wilderness scenario. For this reason alone I discount knives like a Frosts Mora as fitting the role of the 'woods knife'- yes, this is a wonderful blade for MANY reasons, but, like it or not, its not the most durable thing out there, from the (relatively) weak tang construction to the plastic handles. Another blade I would discount as fitting this role is the 'tank knife'. Why? Tank knives, while certainly durable, make everything more difficult due to their inherent size, weight, and obtuse (generally) edge. These are exaggerated and ignored examples of a knife's 'camp' abilities- namely toughness. What we need is a good compromise- tough, yet useful.

The woods knife is special in that it varies from person to person. It varies due to an almost unlimited number of variables, from legal restrictions, to an individuals own 'style' of outdoors, bushcraft, survival techniques. The woods knife is what has consistently worked best for you, what you have learned to trust due to a remarkable track record of success through actual practice and experience, or, that you can extrapolate to successfully fit this role due to one's experience with similar knives.

With all this said, MY woods knife would be something like this:

Start with a Swamp Rat Ratmandu, then back up the edge bevel about 1/4 inch, then knock off the edge bevel corners- make them nice and round. This gives enough room from cutting edge to primary grind to sharpen using a flat ceramic stone, yet the rounded 'corners' allow for maximum benefit from a green chromo convexing strop. This also thins down the cutting edge to increase effectiveness in detail work, while also having 'convex' geometry a little further up to give increased support alone the length of the blade. The steel is 52100, a TOP steel, with a remarkable heat treat that has been shown to do simply amazing things. Handles are comfortable, and useful in a variety of grips. The blade is tough to last someone an entire lifetime of proper outdoors use. But, most importantly, it has a solid track record.

For me, this is the woods knife of my dreams (and reality). Whats yours, and why?

Thanks for reading.
 
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Good read. I like this place and I was originally drawn to it to really learn about knives Then I sort of got bored of knives just for the sake of learning about knives. I mean, there really is so much you can bone up on and then its all just rehashing with a lot of eye candy thrown in. I can't really see any one ideal knife for all things, but each of us have some kinds of activities that we do most often and we find value in coming up with a knife that optimizes the things we do the most. Since those activities and locations are unique to us, so are out choices of knives.

I tend to like pretty simple knives. My preference is a blade that is 4.5" long, drop or spear point, about 1" blade height. If its full flat grind, I really like having 5/32" thickness but recognize it can go a bit thicker if it has an aggressive convex grind. I'm not a fan of scandi's for utility, but like them at certain tasks. Handle ergos are important, with a bit of contouring, but not pronounced contours. In this case, its best to let the fingers do the talking. The last knife I had made for me by B. Andrews pretty much fits what I really like in a knife. I might get something that is a bit prettier some day, but I doubt I'll get anything that really addresses what I like to use a knife for better than this one. Then again, I often switch things up, so no guarantees. This one is still my ideal for today.

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My favorite knife is my Gerber Yari(original verion).
It's very comfortable in my hand, is lightweight yet strong, stays sharp well.
It just FEELS right in my hand. I have used it hard, but not abused it.
I have absolute confidence in the knife.
 
Think of the 'woods knife' almost like Jeet Kune Do. You have found yours! Maybe if your enviornment changes, or your method of camping changes (example: car camper takes an axe, backpacker substitutes saw), maybe your woods knife will change as well.

Were you making a bow drill in that picture? Your B. Andrews really seems to be an able carver. I like it.
 
My favorite knife is my Gerber Yari(original verion).
It's very comfortable in my hand, is lightweight yet strong, stays sharp well.
It just FEELS right in my hand. I have used it hard, but not abused it.
I have absolute confidence in the knife.

I've never seen a Yari, it sounds interesting.

Are there any specific tasks you feel your woods knife particularly excells at?
 
Is it sad that I don't want the ONE knife? I like different knives to fit the exact scenario, or even my mood. Only thing I don't want is cheap tools, period. Knives are to me what shoes, and purses are to my wife! So are guns, and my man bags.....aka maxpedition packs lol.
 
like you I find the RMD to be perfection, the war dog is right up there also. but lately I have been really learning to like a 7 inch blade like the camp tramp or Esee-6 is a great knife also. I like there light chopping ability or batoning ability. when hunting I like the Howling Rat or Falkniven F1. a week ago on a family camping trip I used my Izula more than any other knife I brought (War Dog, Izula, ESEE-6)
 
For years, my knife was the CS Recon Scout. I loved and still love that knife but, somewhat contrary to what the OP is saying here, I felt a bit limited by its size. Mostly, I felt like I couldn't get the kind of leverage I wanted while batoning. As a result, I stepped up to the Trail Master (not a CS fanboy, just a logical step for me). The difference was startling. The addition of a few inches made the task MUCH easier. So now, as a result of my findings, I have a custom 12" blade on its way. It will share some of the attributes of the CS blades while abandoning all semblance of a fighting knife. As as far as other tasks, I make a choice each expedition to either use my big knife for typical small knife jobs (which is easier than most people think), get someone else to bring a lightweight smaller camp knife, or just bring both. I make a lot of weight concessions to do this but I am a base camp (NOT car camp) guy so the sacrifice is really only on the hike in day (not the hike out b/c the food is gone). Since fire craft is my #1 knife job and I just can't get the hang of axes, I become a big knife guy by default. I've heard a lot of awesome wilderness guys repeat the old saying "You can do small knife jobs with a big knife but you can't do big knife jobs with and small knife." While I know it isn't 100% true, I do believe the concessions are a good bit easier in that directions as opposed to the other. All that being said, I have MAD respect for the guys who go into the woods for 2 weeks with nothing more than a Mora or even a Swiss Army, but that just isn't me.
 
Good read ! My "knife" tends to stay around the 5~6" blade range. I have bigger & I have smaller but when I'm in the woods I have a 5~6" blade on my belt. Around 3/16" thick. Seems to be my "Woods Knife" of choice.
 
Is it sad that I don't want the ONE knife? I like different knives to fit the exact scenario, or even my mood.

No.

I'm the same way.

There is no perfect knife for me, because I like several different styles and enjoy using different knives on different trips. Sure, I typically have a go-to woods knife, but that knife tends to change every year or two. Sometimes more often.

And even when I have that one go-to knife I still buy and sell others.... always on the hunt for another knife I might like.
 
Very interesting, you must be an English major! :D Anyway, the more I think about it, the more I think that no one knife really fits the bill when outdoors. I tend to prefer something in the 4-5" blade range, usually a slight drop point, but I like a little beef to it; I like the Fallkniven F1 right now for a general utility outdoors knife. However, I think you need to carry something like a machete, big blade, small hatchet, or folding saw to go with the smaller knife, cause their are too many times when the small knife just won't cut it!:D
 
My perfect set up ... I havent got it down pat yet

this is what Im using tho at the moment

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what the folder wont do , the larger blade will

Ive made bought and sold on again a fair few knives looking for that one that does it for me

I keep coming back to these dam folders tho ...
 
Micro, couldn't agree more with what you said....it took me about a year of buying/selling/using to figure the same thing out. Here's my 2 cents (chopper usually stays at home and is used primarily for quick wood removal ie: bowls, spoons, etc.)

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micro-bevel
Lets talk about the 'survival' knife, the 'bushcraft' knife, and the 'camp knife'. I believe these three categories can be combined to form the 'general woods knife'.

Well, we part ways right here at the start. :)

There is no 'one size fits all' knife, just as there is no such thing with any other bit of gear. I switch knives depending on area of operation, season, anticipated tasks and weight requirements.

When heading afield, one of these, or more than one, may go. I have others. :)
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Think of the 'woods knife' almost like Jeet Kune Do. You have found yours! Maybe if your enviornment changes, or your method of camping changes (example: car camper takes an axe, backpacker substitutes saw), maybe your woods knife will change as well.

Yep it does. In a sense, and where this thread is going, I was concentrating a bit too much on the fixed blade on my belt. I have two constants that are always with me. The first is an OHT-SAK in its own sheath with firesteel and the second is a smaller fixed blade (shown in my earlier post). I often have something that fills that 3rd piece of the puzzle for wood prep. However, wood prep requirements change with seasons, environments and also the type of activity involved. Sometimes I need a lot of wood and the wood tools will include an axe and saw, sometimes its just a folding saw or a more robust take-down saw, it could be a large knife or machete and other times I'll forgo the wood prep dedicated tools completely. All depends, how much wood will I need, what kind of wood do I expect to be harvesting, how easy is it to harvest and what is the best way?

I'm currently preparing for my next trip, where because of drought, there is a fire ban on in the park I will be in. That means I'm switching to backpacking mode with a fuel stove and warm enough cloths to forego fire. So, there won't be any big chopper coming out with me. Arguably, I could probably also lose the fixed blade, but its just not in me to do that. I love the fixed blade too much for its ergos and pleasure in whittling and carving plus the confidence I have carrying it to just take along the SAK.
 
WOW you were not kidding when you said it was going to be a long post lol. It was good reading though:thumbup:

I have 2 knives that go with me pretty much every where. One is my Neck knife

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The other is my Kephart version. the orange handled one is the one I carry the most,'but at time I will carry and use my elk antler one too.

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These 2 knives take care of about 95% of what cutting I do. If I need to use a chopper then a ask or bigger knife comes into play.

Bryan

Bryan
 
I see a lot of 2 knife systems here- very interesting, and CERTAINLY more capable than a single blade, thats for sure. However, I envy the man who can carry his system with him at all times- I am forced to get the most out of my EDC. I noticed a lot of people like the big chopper- I've actually, under certain circumstances, found that a baton provides the necessary mass to 'static chop'. I mean, I will place the RMD (substitute your preferred woods knife here) against a tree/large sapling, then use the baton to actually 'chop'- the baton drives the knife into the wood, cutting out huge chunks. If I use this method all around the tree, it greatly weakens it. Of course, an adequate baton is not always available.
 
micro-bevel

Well, we part ways right here at the start. :)

There is no 'one size fits all' knife, just as there is no such thing with any other bit of gear. I switch knives depending on area of operation, season, anticipated tasks and weight requirements.

When heading afield, one of these, or more than one, may go. I have others. :)
Outdoorsknives.jpg

That CABS with custom scales must be the most beautiful knife I've ever seen. Thats just.. wow :)
 
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