woods walk, Big Brother Cameras, nurse logs

Rick - I think you know me well enough to understand that I shy away from this sort of confrontation. But, since I have been asked.....

I do not have a problem with harvesting( I do a lot of it myself), mooning, birding, or Big brother bashing. I, however, try my best to engage in those activities in areas where it is legal, and where my behavior will not lessen the experience for others.

I do have a problem with someone knowingly harvesting in an area where harvesting is prohibited.

I do have a problem with someone doing so and then publicly flaunting abject disrespect for the law.

I do have a problem with anyone who believes that a distinctly public area is their own personal playground.

I do have a problem with someone trying to justify and absolve their own knowingly bad behavior by citing examples of others' bad behavior.... as if to say "that ought to show them", and/or "I deserve to do this because they did that".

Rick, I've read quite a few of Bushman's postings on this forum and he's demonstrated an immense amount of woods knowledge, and I think he's likely a great guy. However, I have a problem with his knowingly and blatantly disrespectful behavior in this particular episode. I just think he made a bad decision here.

That's where my argument is going.
 
Sounds like ya got a belly full of greenpeace topped with too much earthday and sprinkled with some Global warming data.

If you were talking about poaching an animal, cutting down a tree or fouling a stream with waste, I'd be right there with you buddy.

But chastising for grabbing some hunks of dead wood off a stump?

Sorry, ya need a reality check.

Carl-
 
Forgive me Great Spirit, for i have done wrong. I have harvested a personal amount of what the Great Spirit created. I harvested materials from the folds of your embrace. Many are claiming that these materials are the property of humans. How can that be when these materials are created by the Great Spirit? How can man lay claim and govern that which is not his to lay claim to or govern? The wind, the trees, the stumps, the fatwood, the animals, the water air and rain, all are from the Great Spirit, and not owned or governed by any man. How can i be governed by mans laws when the only law is that of the Great Spirit?

Thank you Great Spirit for your bounty. I will burn a smudge smoke as thanks.

Bushman5,
Free & Sovereign human being residing on the land mass known as Kanada.
governed by the Great Spirit.
 
Blue... you are one of my most respected interweb buddies... but I can't agree with you fully on this one. I do agree that in the eyes of the "law", Bushman is in the wrong. I don't condone breaking the law. However, just because a law/bylaw/restriction is passed doesn't mean it fits all scenarios. I think you are being absolute in your judgement. That is a dangerous word IMO.

I try to stay within "man-made laws" the best I can... but in the end, basic universal/ethical/natural laws govern my actions and judgements. I believe you are a free-thinker, Blue... if something (aside from government rule) is telling you this is wrong, I must be missing it.

I'm strictly speaking of the fatwood harvesting, here, BTW.


Rick
 
I have to agree with blue here. If you're in a heavily used area where harvesting is a no no, then you shouldn't do it. Yeah no one's going to miss a little piece of stump but what if everyone thought they were entitled to harvest something from the park. Then you wouldn't have a park left to hike in. Harvest whatever you want but do it in low impact, lightly traveled areas, or when you need it.

As to the mooning and flipping off of cameras...I think it's a waste of energy. Instead of being constructive and proactive by contacting your legislators and parks people you're just giving the people who watch the tape entertainment. That's if anyone is watching at all. The cameras are only there to view the tape AFTER a criminal act has happened to get a view of the people in the area at the time. But if the wasted effort makes you feel better, go for it.
 
Wow Bushman
i am saving this thread. beautiful trees and the ferns are crazy:D.
thanks a bunch for the images.

buzz
 
^ most of the ferns in the area are big sword ferns. Not to many fiddleheads this side of the street, go up to the mountains and there are tons though. Great for salads (fiddlehead shoots) or buttered and salted in a cast iron pan.

speaking of ferns, the harvest season for fiddlehead shoots is approaching.

lets keep this thread sane......Feel free to start a Wilderness Ethics & Morals thread if you want.
 
Bushman5 said:
^ most of the ferns in the area are big sword ferns. Not to many fiddleheads this side of the street, go up to the mountains and there are tons though. Great for salads (fiddlehead shoots) or buttered and salted in a cast iron pan.

speaking of ferns, the harvest season for fiddlehead shoots is approaching.

lets keep this thread sane......Feel free to start a Wilderness Ethics & Morals thread if you want.
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It's just my opinion take it for what it's worth. Which is nothing considering I'm just some yahoo in another country telling you what to do on the INTERNET of all things.:D That being said I do like your posts. BC is very pretty and reminds me to get out of the house more to experience my area which is very similar to yours.
 
I seem to recall both your area and my area being completely clearcut in the late 1800s, and again in the 1920s. Then we have the regular windstorms here over the last 100 years that have knocked over millions of trees (mostly douglas firs, pines). Then there is the parks staff logging hundreds of trees a year to make trails safer.

funny how gathering a few pounds of fatwood from man felled trees raises such hackles, no?

funny how 99.99% of the users of the land in this area, are trail runners, and dogwalkers.

not a lot of fatwood harvesters here...maybe about 10 people..........
 
G'day Bushman



Bushman5 said:
I dont advocate vandalism of the cameras. I OBJECT to them being there and as such make my objections known by having SOME FUN with the cameras, fun as in mooning them or flipping them the bird.

other people do vandalize the cameras. I'm not one to do so.
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G'day Bushman

I think I already know what mooning a camera is (ie dropping your trousers & underpants & bending over in front of the camera).

The quoted statement has made me think I have misinterpreted your meaning of "flip them the bird'

I have taken this to mean that you have changed the alignment of the camera to photograph birds (over here when someone flips a camera they change the alignment of the camera).

Can you clearly describe what you meant by this phrase?




Kind regards
Mick
 
Bushman5 said:
not a lot of fatwood harvesters here...maybe about 10 people..........
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A vast majority of which can be found here on Bladeforums:cool:




Mick, "flipping the bird" is when you "gesture" with your middle finger(stick your middle finger up). A way of saying "f*** you" without actually saying it, ya know?
 
those look like some AWESOME woods to hike in.

looking at the pix, i can't help but wonder just how lovely a pic would be possible with some really wide glass ('round the 20mm mark on a 35mm film plane. you'rs look like they were taken with glass around the 35-50mm mark).

get down low on a foggy morning with wide glass and shoot in black and white through yellow, red and maybe light green filters (try each and pic which one looks best).

it would also be an awesome spot for some infrared photography.

some of the pix look like theres some camera shake in there. some kind of camera rest perhaps? (hint: i find that a 1kg bag of rice can make an excellent ersatz camera rest).

as for the big brother cameras: sheesh. is there nowhere private on this earth anymore? what is the Parks policy on images? how long do they keep the record of who was there if no incidents are reported? i could grudgingly accept their presence if all the pix were deleted after seven days if no incident is reported. if they keep the images in perpetuity, i have to ask: why? and in that latter instance, i'd moon them too.
 
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G'day Bushman

Bushman5 said:
HAHAHAHA, thats great!

flipping the bird here in this part of the earth means sticking out your middle finger
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If you have only given the cameras "the finger", then it sounds like I owe you an appology for thinking you had vandalised those cameras.

As such, I appologise for suggesting you were vandalising the cameras.

However, if your "local conditions of use of that park" prohibit the removal of anything, then I still have an issue with anyone who can't play by the rules.

Let's suppose I want to try the fly fishing in BC and couldn't be bothered obtaining a fishing licence, or couldn't be bothered observing min sizes, bag limits or closed seasons.

As a matter of fact why should I spend all that money to travel to BC when there is no guarantee that I'll catch a fish using fly gear. How about I make a trip to the local supermarket and buy across the counter something I know will send belly up every fish withing 50 meters.

After all in the scheme of things, I'm only going to be taking a few fish :D




Kind regards
Mick
 
the only rule posted regarding "removal" is:

- No removal or harvesting of plants and animals, and mushroom harvesting. (specifically, some people like to remove LIVE plants, fungi, and animals)

NO need to apologize to me, but thank you anyways

:)
 
sambo. said:
those look like some AWESOME woods to hike in.

looking at the pix, i can't help but wonder just how lovely a pic would be possible with some really wide glass ('round the 20mm mark on a 35mm film plane. you'rs look like they were taken with glass around the 35-50mm mark).

get down low on a foggy morning with wide glass and shoot in black and white through yellow, red and maybe light green filters (try each and pic which one looks best).

it would also be an awesome spot for some infrared photography.

some of the pix look like theres some camera shake in there. some kind of camera rest perhaps? (hint: i find that a 1kg bag of rice can make an excellent ersatz camera rest).

as for the big brother cameras: sheesh. is there nowhere private on this earth anymore? what is the Parks policy on images? how long do they keep the record of who was there if no incidents are reported? i could grudgingly accept their presence if all the pix were deleted after seven days if no incident is reported. if they keep the images in perpetuity, i have to ask: why? and in that latter instance, i'd moon them too.
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yea the photos sucked....i was using the GF's point and shoot.......i;m used to a nice DSLR (mine broke a while back). I normally shoot on a Manfrotto tripod wieghted down with lead shot bags.
 
Bushman5 said:
yea the photos sucked....i was using the GF's point and shoot.......i;m used to a nice DSLR (mine broke a while back). I normally shoot on a Manfrotto tripod wieghted down with lead shot bags.
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i usually just sling my camera bag off my tripod if i need the extra stability.

mind you, with one of THESE in it, my bag weighs a fair bit......
 
G'day Rick


Magnussen said:
.....I do agree that in the eyes of the "law", Bushman is in the wrong. I don't condone breaking the law. However, just because a law/bylaw/restriction is passed doesn't mean it fits all scenarios. I think you are being absolute in your judgement. That is a dangerous word IMO.
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To be honest this sounds like latitude to slide down a very slippery slope.

Since it hardly appears that bushman was in a "genuine survival situation", what other scenario can you suggest that justifies the breaking of a law/bylaw/restriction?




Kind regards
Mick
 
Yeah, the next thing ya know, he is probably going to start cutting down trees, building a cabin and putting in running water and a jacuzzi!

Really guys, let's keep it in perspective. It was a few hunks of dead wood from ONE person who does not apparently have any designs on harming a natural habitat. In fact, he has shown himself to be a steward of the outdoors on this forum.

It would be akin to grabbing a few blueberries to eat while walking the trail.

Carl-
 
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