Worn out. Is warranty repair dishonest?

Some years ago I picked up an old no date Buck 110 at a gun show in Las Cruces New Mexico for $7 . It looked like something that went through a garbage disposal . Someone had even deeply scribed numbers in the bolster. I sent it to Buck for a spa job witch they do free , could have got a brand new blade for $10 but the old 440c had plenty of life to go. What I got back looked like a factory new knife and the scribing was completely gone. I think they take great pride knowing their knives are out in the wild doing Gods work even after over half a century of use. :) :thumbsup:
 
Personally, I don't like pressing too hard on businesses, especially smaller American-based ones, unless the product is outwardly defective or something is inherently wrong with it. Beyond delivering a quality knife at a fair price, I do think that a refurbishing service at a nominal cost is a great thing for manufacturers to offer and an excellent way of adding value to what they make. If you like what you bought and feel that you got your money's worth, the best way to insure that the company remains in business is to either buy another one, or pay to have yours refurbished.
 
I sent a Buck paring knife in after it broke after several years of regular use, with a note saying it was for their information and I didn't want a replacement (Charles Buck Sr. had sent it to me, along with a 119 with the Kraton handle, for a magazine review I was writing). Buck sent a new one anyway. I've never had a problem with any of my other Buck knives, but their warranty is why I continue to buy them. Over the years I must have bought more than a dozen.
 
Personally, I don't like pressing too hard on businesses, especially smaller American-based ones, unless the product is outwardly defective or something is inherently wrong with it. Beyond delivering a quality knife at a fair price, I do think that a refurbishing service at a nominal cost is a great thing for manufacturers to offer and an excellent way of adding value to what they make. If you like what you bought and feel that you got your money's worth, the best way to insure that the company remains in business is to either buy another one, or pay to have yours refurbished.
I have bought over 20 Buck 110's but own only one no date model in 440c steel. That's why I keep buying them. :)
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Well, that is more replies than I expected. The knife is an 810 Contego, and I believe it is discontinued. I can't imagine that benchmade would take my money (if they have parts) even if I begged to pay. If I buy a replacement knife it won't really help benchmade because it would be from the used market anyways. I really could use some new scales because these are getting pretty slick.

I sent an email to benchmade, so I guess we will see if they have any parts.
 
Well, that is more replies than I expected. The knife is an 810 Contego, and I believe it is discontinued. I can't imagine that benchmade would take my money (if they have parts) even if I begged to pay. If I buy a replacement knife it won't really help benchmade because it would be from the used market anyways. I really could use some new scales because these are getting pretty slick.

I sent an email to benchmade, so I guess we will see if they have any parts.
An employee that worked for a Benchmade dealer told me that he sent a discontinued model in to have the omega springs replaced. Well, they contacted him and offered to replace his knife with a new one because they no longer made parts for his.
 
An employee that worked for a Benchmade dealer told me that he sent a discontinued model in to have the omega springs replaced. Well, they contacted him and offered to replace his knife with a new one because they no longer made parts for his.
Jeez, I thought the omega springs were pretty universal. That sucks
 
Jeez, I thought the omega springs were pretty universal. That sucks
I don’t think it was so much the omega springs. If I remember correctly, he said the knife was 10 years old when he sent it in. So it probably has more to do with them not having parts for that specific knife in stock.
 
I've carried a knife for several years and its pretty worn out and getting sloppy. I have got my money out of it, but I'm certain the manufacturer would repair it for free. Do you see it as dishonest to have it repaired for free? It kinda feels that way to me.

Follow your gut. You wouldn't ask if you wouldn't feel strange about it .... Meaning, trash it, use it as a work-knife, whatever, and buy a new one. That's what I would do.
 
Follow your gut. You wouldn't ask if you wouldn't feel strange about it .... Meaning, trash it, use it as a work-knife, whatever, and buy a new one. That's what I would do.
They don't appear to make new contegos, or I probably would buy a new one. Designers seem to struggle to combine grip, strength, length, and weight and typically lean heavy on "pretty." This makes shopping for a new design a pain, and gives me a drawer full if gifts.
 
Manufacturers know their warranty practices and will act accordingly. If it is OK with the manufacturer and their is no deception on your part, there is no reason not to send it in. Personally I often would rather pay to have my well used knife repaired as opposed to buying a new one.
My complaint is when people purposely try to destroy a knife then make a claim on a generous warranty policy. This often results in manufacturers rethinking their generous policy and a loss to others.
 
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Most companies don't cover wear from normal use. If it falls within the parameters of the warranty and your honest, then I would say it's your call. If they still sell the same model and you really feel you got your monies worth, buying a new one seems like a reasonable option. Sending it in and paying for refurbishing/rebuilding is another way to go as well if it's an expensive knife.
 
Benchmade's warranty definitely covers use like you've described. They'll clean it, tighten it up, and sharpen it at no cost to you, it's part of what you're buying when you buy a Benchmade.
Exactly. Warranty service is included as part of the price of the knife. Nothing unethical about using a warranty that you paid for, to address things covered by that warranty. In terms of the scales though you may need to rough them up yourself with a file.
 
I would consider it unethical to try and mislead the manufacturer into repairing the knife by claiming it is defective if it is not defective.

However, if you told the manufacturer the truth, that the knife has served you well for years, that it has been a valuable tool and cherished companion, that it has worn out from extensive use, and you ask them if they offer any free refurbishing services, I would see nothing wrong with that.

Who knows, maybe the manufacturer would refurbish it for free, in appreciation for a customer who values their product. Perhaps they would consider it good PR.
I had to quote this for truth.

I am a small business man and I do all manner or contracting work. I put myself in both shoes, but ultimately, and not surprisingly, vote on the side of business.

When I built my own cabinets for baths and kitchens (I do mean me!) I gave a lifetime warranty on my work. Not the finish, but construction and the hardware. I have been in business for 40+ years in the same city with the same name, so I am easy to find. I have two kinds of clients that call me for warranty issues:

!) Robert, we are having a problem with one of our cabinet doors, it won't close anymore. I remember we bought a lifetime warranty (actually included when I was building my business) and we need for you to repair a couple of the cabinet doors. OK, off I go. I get to the house and find that their children have been literally hanging on the base unit doors and swinging themselves for a few years. The client thinks it is "not good" but who can control kids these days? Go ahead and fix the doors, please. IF they were good clients while I was working for them, and if they were repeat clients, I will do it. My call, and if the wear and tear is unreasonable, then most of my clients (mostly great folks that turn into friends) will offer to pay

2) Robert, we had the grand kids over and they were using the large cabinet door as a swing and tore it off. Could we get you to fix it, we know it isn't warranty, and Grandma (you remember Ellen...) tore them up. Me - sure, I'll come buy and take a look, hopefully some new hinges and some glue will do the trick. They pay for the hinges and a service call plus a cigar and we are done.

My clients are all repeat guys and I rarely bid on work. Happy clients are referring clients in my business so I always keep that in mind. But another situation exists, not included above as these are likely no longer my clients. It is the folks that don't take care of my work (a new front door, bath cabinets, a pergola, and on an on) and they think nothing will ever wear out and they do no maintenance and use the work I have done with no consideration at all since it had a "lifetime warranty". For example, a LARGE woman that "hip checks" a door to get it open without checking to see if it is latched can probably generate about the same force as a professional hockey player on a door. Broken locksets, broken trims, cracked jambs.... should I be responsible for that? Nope, I don't care if it is a year old.

But another thing drives a mass production company like knife manufacturers. Social media, forums, websites, etc. that are frequented by fans. Would it be better to simply replace a knife, or have some enraged, entitled person rape you on Reddit, Instagram, Facebook, BF, AAPK, and on and on because you wouldn't regrind a blade or repair a handle on a knife because you valued that person as a client? Since we are a social media society (just look at the huge number of participants and even larger amount of audience here) and social media rules, it is easier to replace than to try to make up ground on social media. In fact, it is even easier still to raise your prices on every knife so you can cover the occasional losses.

Personally, I grew up with a pocket knife in my pocket. My two oldest knives (when I owned less than 5 to my name) I still have. An old CASE "workman" from 1969, and a CASE large copperhead from 1976. Both of those knives have been faithful servants for decades. The copperhead's shield is so worn down that you can hardly read it. The once beautiful deep ruby colored scales are chocolate brown from hand sweat, cleaning agents, and grime. A couple of the rivets have their heads sheared off! I look at that kind of wear as a badge of honor, each scarring trait well earned over decades.

You couldn't get those knives away from me for love or money. I wouldn't think of sending them anywhere for any reason. Like me, they earned their wrinkles and grey hair. They make me smile every time I carry them.

Robert
 
I would consider it unethical to try and mislead the manufacturer into repairing the knife by claiming it is defective if it is not defective.

However, if you told the manufacturer the truth, that the knife has served you well for years, that it has been a valuable tool and cherished companion, that it has worn out from extensive use, and you ask them if they offer any free refurbishing services, I would see nothing wrong with that.

Who knows, maybe the manufacturer would refurbish it for free, in appreciation for a customer who values their product. Perhaps they would consider it good PR.

Sorry, double tap!
 
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