XM fakes?

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Found out about these yesterday through the seller I acquired the clone sebenza's from. This is apparently a new maker and not the same one making the Strider fakes or older style fake Sebenza. This maker specifically excludes logos from the knives so they are sterile, they also have slight differences from the original. I'm sure it would be easy to make a 1:1 copy if they wanted to.


What I just posted in the CRK thread:
espnazi said:
They arrived and I sent one of the two to Haze 6 days ago(should receive it in a few more days).

In all honesty for the price I'm extremely impressed, although you can definitely tell it is not a CRK(once in your hand). The only downside is that the detent is a bit of the weak side. Steel has held up extremely well and in all honesty it seems very similar to D2 which is what they claim. I still have some reservation about the steel and think it is probably a high end chinese steel with a good HT, possibly 9CR18MOV.

The seller tells me the detent issue has been solved in the second batch. The maker only makes about 50-100 of a particular model in a run.

Lastly, after some thought, although not totally morally correct what the maker does I don't mind owning this knife. Specifically because it doesn't have the CR name nor logo anywhere. I will probably order some more. Also, this will not keep me from buying high end knives from OEM makers.

I will try to take some pictures as soon as my brother is back from his trip(he has my camera).
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rubiconss said:
I clicked on the link, not getting much other than a picture of a Pug. :confused:
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That's right!
This person is trying to hide the sale.
Everything is sold under the order.
Try to see past sales.
http://www.aliexpress.com/snapshot/104329269.html
espnazi said:
Found out about these yesterday through the seller I acquired the clone sebenza's from. This is apparently a new maker and not the same one making the Strider fakes or older style fake Sebenza. This maker specifically excludes logos from the knives so they are sterile, they also have slight differences from the original. I'm sure it would be easy to make a 1:1 copy if they wanted to.
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What for have bought?
Want to give the financial support, to the new Chinese manufacturer?
 
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kromanm said:
What for have bought?
Want to give the financial support, to the new Chinese manufacturer?
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I originally bought the fake regular Sebenza because it looked like a really high quality knife when compared to the older fakes and the people on the CRK forum wanted to check one out. I was then impressed by the knife and came to the conclusion I actually like the quality and the knife specially for the price. That with the fact they don't brand the blades made me like the knives. Although not morally correct what they do I don't actually consider them fakes but somewhat of replica/clone. Since they are not actively trying to defraud people into thinking it is the real McCoy.

I don't think of these as the originals as they will never be. F&F and materials will always be superior on Original semi-custom knives,thus I will continue to buy Original and custom made knives.
 
I think it is important members of the knife community shun fakers and copy cats - it is simply Not Right and therefore should not be supported
It is theft of a Makers design and intellectual/creative property.
Yes, there are knife makers that pay homage to another maker by manufacturing a "clone" if you will BUT it is with full disclosure and ONLY after negotiations and approvals between the parties.
This is very different.
It does appear that the faker is skirting outright fraud by changing some things and not branding the knife BUT the intention is clear -
Profit from copying a very popular knife and while competition is a keystone principle of our free-market system - this isn't competion it's theft of a design.
 
It is plain and simple , Do Not Buy this Crap !!! That is the only way You stop These Scumbags !
 
It's not like you're getting the satisfaction of actually owning a Hinderer(or CRK/Strider for that matter) by purchasing one of these fakes. Guys can try to justify it all they want, but nobody's being fooled by it. It's wrong, plain and simple.
 
ibewno3 said:
It is plain and simple , Do Not Buy this Crap !!! That is the only way You stop These Scumbags !
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In addition, If members (Hinderer supporters) flesh out these Scumbags and expose the crap for what it is - there will be a huge deterrent effect.
Auction sites, forums, etc.
 
flipe8 said:
It's not like you're getting the satisfaction of actually owning a Hinderer(or CRK/Strider for that matter) by purchasing one of these fakes. Guys can try to justify it all they want, but nobody's being fooled by it. It's wrong, plain and simple.
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I would say that is a fair statement.

ibewno3 said:
It is plain and simple , Do Not Buy this Crap !!! That is the only way You stop These Scumbags !
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I don't think these are even intended for US market as I have understood from reading foreign forums, they are made for the Chinese market(fan clubs) as the actual thing is extremely expensive given the monetary exchange rate.

Although it be great if they designed their own hard use knife as they seem to have the ability to produce one.
 
You can install a Ferrari-look body kit on a Fiero, put Shelby Decals and Snakes on a regular Mustang, place a Rolex dial on a quartz momement, sew designer labels onto generic clothes, but NEVER will that be the real thing. Creating these knockoffs to sell anywhere just because a market exists is not something to admire. Hard work goes into designing and manufacturing great products. The expense of doing something first is enourous, coping is so much cheaper. Sucks! I will vote with my wallet to support only the real deal. It took me a long time to finally be able to own high-end knives and it is not cool to buy lesser items claiming to be anywhere near the quality of official items.
 
To no one in particular, Today more than any day in our History - Ethics and Integrity needs to be recognized.
Recognized differently than perhaps our Parents era.
Back then, Integrity was a norm, a given. No big deal.
Today nothing close to ordinary is what some of us see and recognize as - Integrity. Far fewer see it and value it.
Too Bad.
So, Based on what I have believed for many decades and spent my waking hours pursuing - and especially after some of recent readings "inside" the Knife World, Thank you to Rick Rob and their Team.
Integrity and Honesty, guess you don't know how rare Good is these days.
 
Rhind64 said:
Hey Folks.......well what can I say...I would like to say alot of things right now...but I will keep it family friendly....those m#@&% F*&%# pieces of S%$T!!!....in other words...yes...these are copies! The big giveaway is the jimping on the underside of handle which is further forward than on my XM's....We will put together a data sheet so people will know the copies from the originals...damn I hated to see this...but unfortunatly I knew it was coming...

Rick Hinderer
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Sorry I'm late to this thread Rick. I noticed something you didn't mention. I see two holes/screws/? on the lockbar too. They're up toward the face of the lock and remind me of the inserts that Spyderco put on their early Ti offerings that were wearing away from the harder blade steel and the lockbar face not being treated and causing play in just a few months.

I'm not sure from the angle that the OP's pics are taken but there's nothing like that on your XM's. :mad:
 
rubiconss said:
To no one in particular, Today more than any day in our History - Ethics and Integrity needs to be recognized.
Recognized differently than perhaps our Parents era.
Back then, Integrity was a norm, a given. No big deal.
Today nothing close to ordinary is what some of us see and recognize as - Integrity. Far fewer see it and value it.
Too Bad.
So, Based on what I have believed for many decades and spent my waking hours pursuing - and especially after some of recent readings "inside" the Knife World, Thank you to Rick Rob and their Team.
Integrity and Honesty, guess you don't know how rare Good is these days.
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Very well said!
 
rubiconss said:
To no one in particular, Today more than any day in our History - Ethics and Integrity needs to be recognized.
Recognized differently than perhaps our Parents era.
Back then, Integrity was a norm, a given. No big deal.
Today nothing close to ordinary is what some of us see and recognize as - Integrity. Far fewer see it and value it.
Too Bad.
So, Based on what I have believed for many decades and spent my waking hours pursuing - and especially after some of recent readings "inside" the Knife World, Thank you to Rick Rob and their Team.
Integrity and Honesty, guess you don't know how rare Good is these days.
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I'm sorry that I didn't acknowldge your post brother. I had that one of my own, stuck in my head and I was watching a movie and didn't read it. Very well put and thoughtfully written. :thumbup:
 
kromanm said:
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Chinese monsters = 125$.
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It's hard to imagine many being sold at that price. You could buy a ZT with a S30v blade for the same money. Or the forthcoming ZT flipper for $260.

I noticed the same guy on the Russian website selling fake Striders for 80% more than on the Chinese websites.
 
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I just enlargem 250% and those screws look like they're pinned and have nothing to allow adjustment but it must be these old eyes as they'd have to be screws even as knockoffs.

I went to the Chinese site and could find them? Are they as big as real XM-18's? They look good but they're knockoffs and therefor as Rick said m#@&% F*&%# pieces of S%$T!!!....
 
As far as I can make out they have not been distributed yet. All that has been posted so far is the fuzzy manufacturers pics.

It's illegal to export counterfeit items from China. The customs boys there can and do seize such shipments. However, something shipped in small quantities and having no fake logo is bound to get through.

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maico said:
As far as I can make out they have not been distributed yet. All that has been posted so far is the fuzzy manufacturers pics.

It's illegal to export counterfeit items from China. The customs boys there can and do seize such shipments. However, something shipped in small quantities and having no fake logo is bound to get through.
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I got one, and your probably right they don't get seized by customs because it has no logo and even if it did knives like these have such a small niche they would not recognize it as a fake/clone.
 
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