Ya know, I can handle people selling off "rare" new Busse's fast, but. . .

bobby.t said:
The fact that people can immediately flip a knife for a huge profit means the price is below market value (longer term profits I have no problem with...they're betting the knife will appreciate and the opposite could happen, so I don't think there's anything wrong with that).
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I'd say this is more an indicator that demand exceeds supply, but it is being artificially inflated too. The same thing happens with concert tickets. People who have immediate access (these days I have seen computer programs used to automatically buy tickets) to the tickets buy them and then resell them at a profit.

You might be able to stop this sort of thing with tickets, but doing so with a material good is hard - a buyer has right of first sale. Once they own it, they can do as they will with it.

I'm afraid that the only solution I can see is either increasing production, or Busse and the company store controlling the flow. The latter solution requires a lot more effort than offering them all as a batch. Since Busse is a family business, I doubt it's feasible.

The best solution is probably increased production from the shop. If knives can immediately resell for much more, then there is a demand.
 
I have considered this problem for awhile. I have written many responses on this very subject. I have tried but been unsuccessful on many "ganza's" and releases at SY. I then see the knives flipped in quantity at much higher prices. I cannot believe the SAR5 prices on the exchange, but they are selling. SO I HAVE GIVEN UP. I do not have time to live on the internet f5'ing for ever only to miss the 10 second release. I will buy from Busse or whoever when I can order the knife and wait. The system is what it is. Broken and unfair? I drove to Eugene at 5 am only to learn "they are all gone". I understand none of the SAR people who helped design the SAR5 got one. They were there trying. Those with more money get to buy more. That does not just apply to knives. If I could afford it I would buy that $1,000 satin NO. But I do not so I do not have one. I also do not have a Kimber rifle or a Parker shotgun or . . . That is the way it is. Sorry for the long wind.
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I doubt that people are losing out because someone was able to buy ten knives. I thought Jerry said there was no limit on the number you could order. As far as flipping knives I feel, to each his own. It is a free market and that will invariably determine price and production. For the first time since I have been buying Busses I bought two. I was unsure of which handle I wanted and when I decide I will probably sell the other. I don't think I will be that upset if I make a few dollars. It's a rare enough occassion in my life:)
 
I just don't like to see someone who's only interested in the $$$ get a blade (or ticket) because they have a faster internet connection or don't have to work or whatever. After getting the rush from opening a new box or using a good tool on more than one occasion, I hate to deprive someone else of that same feeling. It's more than the cash.
 
I think this sentiment is becoming more and more evident here. The problem is, however, that there is really no way for US to do anything about it. What's worse is that if you want to have the knife you want made for you, it becomes a custom job and then it's just as expensive as if you bought it on the EE. It sucks for the people who want the knives, but don't have double the retail price to spend. I don't want to cry for you all here, but I wish things were a bit different. I know a lot of us do...
 
I'll put this out there just to see what the general thoughts are.

I seem to remember a thread by Jerry a while ago mentioning having a Busse membership scheme. One of the points he mentioned I think concerned releases of blades only to members and special limited runs that only members could buy. (Sort of like a special Busse decoder ring, only it would be better because it would be a blade) I could be wrong about this, it's late here and i've been working a long shift.

If this membership came about then when you ordered these 'limited run' or 'special release' blades you would have you're Hog name on the blade. Maybe a 3 strikes you're out, of the club, policy could be used as you can't always predict when or why you may need to sell a knife.

I would like to think that everybody gets the knives they want/deserve but i'm a grown up and know that money talks. I've been very lucky so far and to those that i've dealt with, you know who you are, thanks for the fair deals and help you've given me in getting my collection started.
 
Well what can ya say :confused:

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Hi there. I currently don't own a Busse, but I can certainly feel the steel because I want one real bad. I am having to sell other knives to try and fund a battle mistress, either the standard or LE version.

Granted it is the individual's right to buy how many he or she wants and then turn around and sell them, but I don't agree with tacking on an extra hundred or more for a recent or more current model. It doesn't matter if it is the "I got it and you don't thing". There is something called morals and maybe a conscience. I can see it if it is a limited edition that has been out of production for awhile as well as older models, like the Steel Hearts or something like that, but I have seen like the latest version of BM's that have been used selling for alot more than what they were new. I have also seen new ones selling for roughly $500. For a standard model I have no problem paying that, $500, or even a few dollars more if it is the colors I really like. I'd even pay a little extra for a limited model considering it is roughly $700 brand new, but when someone is charging $600 or more for a standard model or even the same amount for a used one, all I can say is "you're out of your rabid-ass mind".

I guess the point I am trying to make is I don't have a problem with someone who want to make a FEW extra dollars, but try to use common courtesy and sense. There are alot of people who would like to get one but, like Tohatchi NM said and touched on, doesn't have the fastest net hookup, a credit card plus live on the net every second of every day like some people do to get it from the store in the crazily small amount of time there is on some models. So our chance is on the secondary market. After all how would you like it if you were on this end and some one want to rape you with a extremely high price on a model you wanted? Sometimes it seems like this situation wants to get as bad as some people who are selling new Randalls for a profit.
 
All this talk of supply demand is just BS the answer is very simple DON"T BUY AT THE INFLATED PRICE!!! Either wait for a reasonable price or buy something else to do the job. Busse are great but there are a lot of good knifes and makers on this board from RAT to Ranger to Customs. Soon enough it will go the same way as the dot com bubble and the latest housing market bubble except the government won't bail these greedy idiots out.
 
jcs71 said:
After all how would you like it if you were on this end and some one want to rape you with a extremely high price on a model you wanted?
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I've been in that position several times in the past..
If I have the money and really want the model, F it I'm going to buy it either way...
 
DowntownDM said:
seriously? surely you're joking, right?
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NOOOOOOO... Not joking at all..

In the past just owning a Busse was something special..
Now there are tooooo many blades produced..
Makes sense though.. Busse upgraded to a larger facility, more employees are highered . That translates to the need to produce more blades to maintain the business as a whole

I buy 80% of my Busses knowing that I will not loose any $ if I try to resell.
In the past I really thought any Busse was a good investment..nooo. U live u learn..
I can't afford to loose $ because I barely have any. I'm only 22. Full time student and work only 15hrs a week. Technically I should not even be buying these things at the position I'm in but.. what can I say..
Thats my situation...
 
In my brief time here, one thing I couldn't help but notice is this phenomenon of knives being offered for initial sale, getting scarfed up immediately, and just as fast reappearing for resale at a significant markup.

Of course it's not illegal, AND apparently it's ethical because the rest of us are condoning such practices by ponying up the $$ and paying inflated prices.
 
Scalpers, flippers whatever you call it, IMO they are just plain wrong. Simple do not buy off the pricks..
 
Ron Athay said:
I understand none of the SAR people who helped design the SAR5 got one. They were there trying. Those with more money get to buy more.
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It was my understanding from one of Skunk's posts after Eugene that the SAR guys got theirs.

As for the flipping, my advice is the same now as it was last week when this came up. If the price is too high in your personal estimation, do not buy it. Post in WTB for a more reasonable price and wait. I have done it many times. Sometimes it works and other times I never find an item I am looking for. It is not up to the members here or the folks at Busse to dictate what you can sell your knives for after you have paid for them. The secondary market buyer can try to dictate the prices, but that only goes as far as the weakest will.

Oh and Ron, I can't see paying $1000 for any SFNO either, unless Jerry hand ground that mother himself and there is proof. :D
 
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also, I don't think increasing production would hurt the collectibility of these knives in the LONG term, but it would help reduce the amount of $$$ the scalpers can make on a SHORT term purchase.

heh. scalpers. in a knife forum.
 
I have one Busse so far, but intend to get several more, and use them all. I don't let my tools gather dust.

I've already passed on quite a few knives out of principle because I felt the price was out of line.
 
RoyalM said:
If this membership came about then when you ordered these 'limited run' or 'special release' blades you would have you're Hog name on the blade. Maybe a 3 strikes you're out, of the club, policy could be used as you can't always predict when or why you may need to sell a knife.
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If Jerry were to put such a membership benefits club into place, as he had discussed in the past, he sure would not be foolish enough to try to make it so his customers are ham strung by some arbitrary resale limit. You want to talk about taking a wrong step with your customers. I buy most of my knives directly from Jerry or Skunk, if either of them started telling me I had a limit on how many I could resell, I can guarantee I would not spend as much money with them as I have in the past. Not because I buy them specifically to flip for a profit, but if I spend my money on them I am going to do with them as I darned well please. There have been special release blades that folks have been restricted from reselling, but those ground rules were laid out before hand and it was for a very special reason.
 
Progunner said:
If Jerry were to put such a membership benefits club into place, as he had discussed in the past, he sure would not be foolish enough to try to make it so his customers are ham strung by some arbitrary resale limit. You want to talk about taking a wrong step with your customers. I buy most of my knives directly from Jerry or Skunk, if either of them started telling me I had a limit on how many I could resell, I can guarantee I would not spend as much money with them as I have in the past. Not because I buy them specifically to flip for a profit, but if I spend my money on them I am going to do with them as I darned well please. There have been special release blades that folks have been restricted from reselling, but those ground rules were laid out before hand and it was for a very special reason.
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Perfect.......Well said Progunner
Thanks for your insight on this issue:thumbup:
 
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