Ya know, I can handle people selling off "rare" new Busse's fast, but. . .

[Ken44]

I've been over this so much I'm just gonna try and:foot:

There are many way's you can learn alot about a person.

 

[Tony G]

I remember one ganzaaa where a known flipper got his knives really really late. I had always wondered if Jerry influenced that. Because by the time this guy got his he was too late to the market place. :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

But the truth is that from my way of thinking I really can't see myself buying a SAR for $180 and then selling the next week for $300 and get tagged as an flipper. Because when you are a flipper you don’t get guys asking you in PMs if you want this kind of stuff.

 

[Claehill]

I think I'm going to sell my extra Boney AD for $30,000...
Just get all my profit taking done in one blade, one sale. :thumbup:

I agree with ya Dennis... flipping has never been something that sits to well with me.

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"I'll take it" if I can send a check?

Then I'll sell some knives at not much of a profit to pay for it :thumbup:

I don't think I'm very good at this selling and buying thing ....... oh well ...... Like knives though

I agree with Dennis as well, because they're both from MA and I like buying they're knives.

 

[MikeH]

I was out of town, did not know about the BAD in advance, and so did not arrange a proxy. Is that unfair? No, that's life. One thing that my children knew that I wouldn't tolerate was the complaint "that ain't fair." My response always was, "life's not fair. Get over it." I have no constitutional right to always get the Busse I want.

I personally hope that there is a 'flipper" or two out there who are going to put some up for sale. If I want it badly enough to pay the price asked I will buy one. If I think it is not worth the price to me, I won't buy it. It's really that simple. Without "flippers", I would have never had any chance at all on some of the knives I now own.

Sheesh! Adults ought to be able to cope with life.

 

[Ken44]

Hey Mike, I got one each of the BAD's. I may sell one after I get them, not sure, but I know another Hog that told me tonight he would have a couple of extra's.

Let me know which one your looking for and I'll ask him. Will be at cost of course.

Mods-not trying to sell, just offering to help someone that helped me at Blade

 

[Dennis in MA]

Wow. We're on multi-pages here.

Let me just say this: I'm not against the seller selling it. It's HIS choice. So be it.

I'm not USUALLY against re-selling (flipping) knives at all. Stuff happens. I'm either fast on the draw or not. And I'll pay the price, or not.

What got me was the special relationship Busse has with the military and how, TO ME, important this knife was. It was my own personal observation. Unethical? I dunno. Probably not. But my own PERSONAL thought was that those blades were extra-special because of who and why. Buying one with the INTENTION of flipping was against what I personally believe.

Again - free market is free market. But I have a right to feel a bit sad too.

 

[Tony G]

I like to tell whiners that...

If life was fair they would be a lot better looking." :thumbup:

I was out of town, did not know about the BAD in advance, and so did not arrange a proxy. Is that unfair? No, that's life. One thing that my children knew that I wouldn't tolerate was the complaint "that ain't fair." My response always was, "life's not fair. Get over it." I have no constitutional right to always get the Busse I want.

I personally hope that there is a 'flipper" or two out there who are going to put some up for sale. If I want it badly enough to pay the price asked I will buy one. If I think it is not worth the price to me, I won't buy it. It's really that simple. Without "flippers", I would have never had any chance at all on some of the knives I now own.

Sheesh! Adults ought to be able to cope with life.

 

[1kimo4u]

actually, i like the system. at first you got to work to score. learn the system=score!

missed out on the last 2 offerings, butNO REGRETS!

flippers? capitalism at it's finest! hey, "embrace the suck"!

 

[Jaxx]

Wow. We're on multi-pages here.

Let me just say this: I'm not against the seller selling it. It's HIS choice. So be it.

I'm not USUALLY against re-selling (flipping) knives at all. Stuff happens. I'm either fast on the draw or not. And I'll pay the price, or not.

What got me was the special relationship Busse has with the military and how, TO ME, important this knife was. It was my own personal observation. Unethical? I dunno. Probably not. But my own PERSONAL thought was that those blades were extra-special because of who and why. Buying one with the INTENTION of flipping was against what I personally believe.

Again - free market is free market. But I have a right to feel a bit sad too.

...So I guess NOW is not the time to mention that I have an ETS SJTAC up for sale... Reasonably priced at $2700.00??? :foot::foot:

Ok, in all seriousness, I hear the point you're making and I've posted similar posts over past offerings... But on this one, I feel that you are right. This was sparked over the generous outpouring of aid to recondo4u to keep him from selling his personal "ETS" BATAC while still enabling him to accomplish his team's goal. Jerry jumped up and offered the 5 original ETS SJTAC's to Team Delta, we all ooh'd & ahh'd over how cool that was for him to do... And then we got a shot to not only score out own, but again to be able to get more funds donated by scoring these. I went kinda nuts on that Ganzaa event knowing that part of the price of each would go to help those over where PST Team Delta was stationed... The pix that recondo4u showed us of those kids in that village in Afghanistan is not something that I'll forget any time soon... I also proxied for a few who couldn't be at their computers that night. I do feel that these are more 'personal' than most of the other Busse's that I own. I might use one as trade fodder, but I plan to hold the rest for quite awhile.

Apparently, after reading the auction description that got this thread started, not all who scored the ETS SJTAC's feel so honored to own them :grumpy:

 

[g1v]

I agree that it is an honor to have this blade. I was fortunately able to score on that knife and I am not in the military or know anyone close who is active in the military. I bought it because some of the proceeds would be sent to the Recondo4u's team.

It also held special appeal to me because I had to ETS big time that week. I lost my job on 3/31 and we found out we had to move out of our place on 4/3. We found another place and the severance package I received means I don't have to work or change my lifestyle until June 2009. (That's right '09)

But if I had not scored on that Ganzaa I would hope a 'flipper' had one available to buy just for the personal feelings that blade holds for me. Although I wouldn't pay Jaxx's price above

 

[RoyalM]

Progunner

There have been special release blades that folks have been restricted from reselling, but those ground rules were laid out before hand and it was for a very special reason.

This was the kinda thing I meant. I didn't mean that all blades offered or even most. Just maybe a couple a year or even one that only members could get and that there were clearly stated and understood rules governing their resale.

I completely agree that if you buy a knife and then it's yours, thats the bottom line. Buying a normal knife from Jerry and Skunk or any other dealer and flipping it or even buying Ganzaa blades and flipping them is part of this community so to try and stop it would be pointless and damaging to the market imo. As far as the ETS SJTAC goes there weren't any rules governing resale and so people are free to do as they wish.

Maybe in future this type of 'charitable/good cause' blade offering will have rules governing it to avoid any profiteering on what amounts to a charitable cause.

In the case of this blade it seems a bit wrong to make a buck off of it. Same way as I wouldn't expect anyone to but a blade from the DE OPPRESSO LIBER sale purely so they could flip it the next week.

As for other flipping then yeah flip on, it's how I got most of my knives and it's not like we live in a communist state.

 

[din]

the most important thing I've picked up since I started purchasing busse family knives is that you need to be very patient. yeah, it's frustrating seeing a knife you really want priced out of reach, but generally whenever I impulse buy something from the exchange or that one place, I'll see it offered for a better price a few weeks or months later. it's a bummer, but them's the breaks. of course, this doesn't apply to shop, ganzaa, and bcs offerings.

which brings us to the flippers. of course there are individuals who buy with the intention of making a quick buck, and those people are douchebags. I'm sure that they're all well aware of the esteem in which they're held, and don't care. they're well within their rights, and the universe has a way of balancing this sort of thing eventually. there are always people who fall into circumstances which require them to sell part of their collection, and that sucks. I have friends in this category, and I hate seeing them selling their knives, but I feel like they're entitled to fair market value for whatever they're selling. I don't begrudge these folks a thing, nobody plans on getting sick or losing a job, and hopefully they'll be able to get their knives back.

if you're unhappy with the markups, the only advice I have is to hang around and make friends with the hogs. if you're even relatively pleasant to others, you'll get people willing to proxy for you, or sell out of production models to you for at or close to cost. and, worst case scenario, you'll have some good times with good friends. not that anyone wants that, of course.

 

[I'mGatMan!]

In our society, no one can REALLY begrudge another man/woman his/her right or ability to make money. I don't mind people doing so. It just seems so contrary to vibe of this whole community to buy 5-10 of some special offering, then turn them around within the next week at inflated prices. It's really the SARS and ETS's that I'm speaking about here. (And ProGunner, from what I read, Skunk said that most SAR guys did NOT get their knives, but that he thought many might be waiting for the SAR 4).

If you have an extremely desirable knife, go ahead, make your money on it, but I guess it left a bit of a bitter taste in my mouth to see the SARS on the EE so soon. I proxied for a fella that was dying for one, but I decided to hold off on my own because I figured the guys for whom this was designed should get them. I'm not trying to get on my towering steed here; maybe that's just me.

Ultimately, the secondary market is what it is. All we can do is live with it, and make decisions that we're comfortable with. Sometimes we'll be happy with things, and other times we won't. At least there's a place where we can look for the knives we want...

 

[Dennis in MA]

which brings us to the flippers. of course there are individuals who buy with the intention of making a quick buck, and those people are douchebags.

You really shouldn't beat around the bush, din. Tell us how you feel.

 

[Ken44]

You really shouldn't beat around the bush, din. Tell us how you feel.

He feels the same as I:thumbup: I'm kinda kidding. Ah, I wouldn't call them a douche bag

edit- keyword being, those that buy just to sell for quick profit. I agree with him on that, but this is a free country and folks can do as they please, we don't have to buy them, and I don't.

I have paid double Busse price many times and was glad to. Some people are missing that we are only talking about the one's That Buy Just for a quick profit, you know like a dealer. Heck, if I've had a knife for a while I would expect to make a little, but I'll never charge over cost if it's something I just got in.

 

[Irezumi]

I like to buy and sell stuff...I always see something else I want as soon as buy something. Busse's havent really been selling for a big increase lately except for a particular couple (SAR and ETS). My gripe was the original pic of the ETS looked nothing like the final version. The handles on the original pic were so ugly, square and unfinished looking I passed on it. Then when it came out they were the perfect rounded TAC handles. I would have got a couple. Generally I find that the pics that come from the shop (except for ganza pics) look heaps worse than the knife itself, examples include the BATAC LE, FBM LE, and ASH LE, and now ETS. Everyone one of those looks heaps better in real life than the pic that was originally used to market them. Anyway, back on topic...

BUY, SELL, BUY 5 Contracts here, Sell 20 Contracts there, done...your filled!

 

[knife hunter]

?????????

THis doesn't seem Hogish.


I am a little upset so bare with typing etc.

What bothers me is that it seems it ok for some to make a profit off of a knife , and not for others.



I just witnessed this past week an Old Hog chit on another Hog's sale thread and raise ????? as to the price it was being sold

All the while other Hogs had the same damn knife listed at the same price , but the one didn't screw with their threads

You know who u are! and you realized you screwed up. good. it was still not cool


It was also after the SARs had been selling for a week or so and the price had already been set by another . THe Hog that got chit on for it was only following suit.


I think I see some come and whine when its not them making out...

I haven't made out on anything lately...:grumpy:

just moved it to pay for the new ones . So I know its not me being talked about, but still.

I know a lot making post in this aren't guilty of either, but

Grow the F#@!! up

Having more Hogs is going to mean more demand. It means some of ya aren't goin to have your way as in the past


but it is healthy for the Herd


but we are still brothers---------LEGION


I don't care if someone bought thirty or 100 ETS at the old cost. Hell I paid $400 for old tan/tan the week before these came out. for my collection.

at 267 they were a steal. Besides The Boss re-did these I thought to raise some $$$$$$$ for Recondo's unit. So now ya'll want to 2nd guess the Boss and bitcha nd whine about folks buying them and supporting the cause


I don't care what the buyer does with em after the fact. They are after all theirs.


I know I have almost 20 old tan/tan models that I wasnt here for to purchase,
but NO one sold them to me at original cost. Heck some are like three times!

but I bought anyway....my choice.

Choice-- glad I brought that up. Most come here to get away from the World of regulations, but again ya'll are wanting to put in RUles to regulate your fellow Hogs


some of ya need to go sit in a corner and face the wall

 

[knife hunter]

I remember one ganzaaa where a known flipper got his knives really really late. I had always wondered if Jerry influenced that. Because by the time this guy got his he was too late to the market place. :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

But the truth is that from my way of thinking I really can't see myself buying a SAR for $180 and then selling the next week for $300 and get tagged as an flipper. Because when you are a flipper you don’t get guys asking you in PMs if you want this kind of stuff.

agreed:thumbup:


I just sold my Nuclear SHSH for a loss, Claehill & HRK, can testify. did it cause had others coming and truly casue Claehill took care of me previously

 

[knife hunter]

...
Apparently, after reading the auction description that got this thread started, not all who scored the ETS SJTAC's feel so honored to own them :grumpy:

I got two....These are extremely special.

One for my cousin that is going to Afghanistan in November, and one to represent the true meaning of my Tan/tan collection--even though its not a true tan/tan

 

[knife hunter]

ike. I'd even pay a little extra for a limited model considering it is roughly $700 brand new, but when someone is charging $600 or more for a standard model or even the same amount for a used one, all I can say is "you're out of your rabid-ass mind".

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see thats the problem with drinking.....maybe the seller was out of his rabid-ass mind when he purchased it originally