Yet another warranty issue that is unbelievable

[R.A.T.]

I am in a hurry, and have yet to read the whole thread. However I want to say that I often throw kabars (spec-plus type) at trees. In my opinion, throwing knives are usually poor throwers. I had fully intended to purchace an rc-6 for basic use (and to throw). Perhaps I'll just get one for basic use now. I see no problem with throwing non-throwing type knives. -However, repeatedly asking for replacmnets when they break is a shame. Then again, my Sp-1 never had any issues while throwing other than a slight, quickly fixed, bend.
Either way, I've never owned a better knife for the money than my RTAK-2. And look forward to owning an RC-6CP shortly. -Joe

I would rather you NOT buy an ESEE-6 if you intend to throw it. Spend your money somewhere else please. The 6 will break if you use it as a thrower. We don' want your business if you are going to use our knives as throwing knives. Period.

 

[Rich275]

If you don't already do so, please consider putting these knives (along with their stories) in a special case somewhere that can be shown to customers.
Call it the "box of idiocy" or something like that

 

[tatteredmidnight]

Intentionally abusing a knife to the point of breaking for no reason at all, especially when out backpacking ( when you may be in a situation to actually need a knife ), is just beyond belief. I have 2 Izula's now, slowly amassing more ESEE products. You have designed and built one hell of a knife.

I was made interested in ESEE by the warranty, but I have never warrantied a knife in my life. I have never needed to. I like that the warranty makes me reach for my Izzy faster, when I need it, because i know that I have nothing to worry about.

People like this should be thankful that they have never needed a knife! I'm no survivalist, but there have been situations where I've been extremely thankful that i had a trusty knife on me.

Its easy to have romantic or dramatic ideas of needing a knife for survival or self defense, but in my life experience, its been more subtle. The times I've needed my knives have never been so exciting. Instead, I'm usually cold, miserable, somewhere very inconvenient, or a long way away from other tools.

IF I ever had to do something with a knife that would likely break it, it would have to be because I've weighed the options and thats a better one than the alternatives. If that were to occur, then i think that is what your warranty is for. When you need that knife, its good to know it has your back.

-- Adam

 

[Moosez45]

I am in a hurry, and have yet to read the whole thread. However I want to say that I often throw kabars (spec-plus type) at trees. In my opinion, throwing knives are usually poor throwers. I had fully intended to purchace an rc-6 for basic use (and to throw). Perhaps I'll just get one for basic use now. I see no problem with throwing non-throwing type knives. -However, repeatedly asking for replacmnets when they break is a shame. Then again, my Sp-1 never had any issues while throwing other than a slight, quickly fixed, bend.
Either way, I've never owned a better knife for the money than my RTAK-2. And look forward to owning an RC-6CP shortly. -Joe

The knives you mentioned, have less of an Rc temper on them. I know, you can read Spec Ops and OKC specs. That means they are softer, not throwing knife soft, but softer than ESEE and Beckers are. There are still micro fractures on the blades you are throwing, but the softer temper is holding the knife together.

If you see no problem throwing non throwers, by all means, wear them out. But when they break, don't go for a warranty replace, just buy new ones. The problem here, with the guy in the OP, is that he broke his knife throwing it into a tree, and now wants a new one. If he had broke it, and said effit, went and bought another one, no one would care a lick what happened, because we would never know.

I have throwers, decent, but still throwers. I throw tomahawks, purely for fun, with no tacticool intentions, other than that resounding <thunk> of a well placed toss, is euphoria to me. Guess how many throwers and hawks I've broken? Throwers, 12, hawks, 5. I only sent one back, and it was the first hawk I ever broke, and I thought it should have lasted longer. Turns out I was right, they sent me a new one and said throw the hell outta it. I have broken other knives too, not by throwing, but by other means. I have NEVER SENT A KNIFE I BROKE BACK TO THE MANUFACTURER. Ever. Not my style, and most of the times, I was using it pretty damn hard.

Good luck.

Moose

 

[shotgunner11]

I am in a hurry, and have yet to read the whole thread. However I want to say that I often throw kabars (spec-plus type) at trees. In my opinion, throwing knives are usually poor throwers. I had fully intended to purchace an rc-6 for basic use (and to throw). Perhaps I'll just get one for basic use now. I see no problem with throwing non-throwing type knives. -However, repeatedly asking for replacmnets when they break is a shame. Then again, my Sp-1 never had any issues while throwing other than a slight, quickly fixed, bend.
Either way, I've never owned a better knife for the money than my RTAK-2. And look forward to owning an RC-6CP shortly. -Joe

Knives made specifically for throwing are very moderately hardened if hardened at all. A knife hardened to 55+ RC is going to be much more prone to breakage or edge damage if it hits any hard object (ie a tree) at an imperfect angle.

Can someone please tell me WTF is the point of throwing your knife at a tree anyways?

Is it practice incase you need to hit someone at a distance, now here is the bad part what if you hit them with the butt of the blade and they pick it up and gut you like a pig?

I see know point, if you need distance get a damn gun.

The point is that it's fun. Similar to throwing darts. Not everything has to be about practicing to kill someone.

Sorry, I have never understood the knife throwing fascination. In the field if it all broke down, that TOOL may mean life or death.

I was taught to use the right tool for the job. I was also taught to honor my tools, from knives to saws, to hammers. They are not toys, they are not for "fun".

I buy quality so that it will last (hence your tools). I would buy RAT's with or without the warranty but its a nice to have. I honestly cannot ever see me needing to use it. While I never baby ANY gear, I never mis-use it. nuff said.

I bet when that kid sent that in he thought he was going to get a "hey great, how about i send you a free knife for being so cool" response. I would love to know what he sends back after your "lesson".

Nice to see you stand behind your philosophies as well as your products!

Thank you-that's what I kept thinking while reading this.

Knife and axe throwing is a blast and a legitimate sport. Throwing a general use blade is poor practice due to the reasons I mentioned above.

If you want to throw knives, get knives properly made for it. If you decide to throw knives not made to be thrown (which also cost infinitely more than proper throwing knives), your taking that investment into your own hands and risking damage to a tool that could otherwise last you a lifetime.

Go for it, just don't be a jerk and ask for it to be replaced when it breaks.

 

[caine]

tie 4 AH-1 together and throw away lol lol

 

[Flexxx]

This guy thinks the RC-3 is made for throwing
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DONT WANT TO MESS WITH THAT

 

[Moosez45]

I always thought it was funny, when I started the throwing thing, a buddy of mine made one of those quick WTF comments, that we have all heard. He came over and I was talkin' about throwing tomahawks, and he wanted to see, so we went out back to the range, and I picked up one of my CS Trailhawks, let it fly, and it stuck perfect right where I wanted it to. I turned around, smilin' and all he said was, "Great, you just threw your only weapon/tool into the enemy's hands. Now you gotta go get it back from them."

Kinda makes a little sense.

Moose

 

[shotgunner11]

This guy thinks the RC-3 is made for throwing
[youtube]IIAjFmLAOqQ[/youtube]

DONT WANT TO MESS WITH THAT

More proof that EwwTube is a total cesspool of waste and stupidity.

I always thought it was funny, when I started the throwing thing, a buddy of mine made one of those quick WTF comments, that we have all heard. He came over and I was talkin' about throwing tomahawks, and he wanted to see, so we went out back to the range, and I picked up one of my CS Trailhawks, let it fly, and it stuck perfect right where I wanted it to. I turned around, smilin' and all he said was, "Great, you just threw your only weapon/tool into the enemy's hands. Now you gotta go get it back from them."

Kinda makes a little sense.

Moose

I enjoy throwing knives from time to time, tomahawks and spetsnaz shovels are fun too. I don't think of it as a tactical toolbox kind of thing, more of a fun passtime.

 

[R.A.T.]

This guy thinks the RC-3 is made for throwing
[youtube]IIAjFmLAOqQ[/youtube]

DONT WANT TO MESS WITH THAT

What an idiot. That's all I have to say about that.

 

[kingsqueak]

Exactly! We have all thrown our share of knives that were not meant to be thrown, but we didn't ask for a replacement when it broke.

Exactly...and why? Because we are not honorless scumbags.

I destroyed a Buck 110 throwing it years ago...the thought of sending it in never even crossed my mind. I knew I was abusing it and got what I asked for.

People I know use stores that give full refunds without restocking as rental facilities now. I've confronted them about it even and they are so devoid of any morality they can't even understand why it is wrong to do. They'll 'buy' a huge TV for a football party and return it....that sort of thing.

The same people will sit and bitch about the costs rising and warranty/return policies being tightened...it's amazing.

 

[R.A.T.]

I use to throw a LOT. Haven't done it in a while but I used throwing knives to do it. Love the sport. It's a legitimate sport. But I also play raquet ball from time to time and while I could hit the ball with a badmitton racquet I'd rather use the right tool for the job. People never cease to amaze me at their level of pure stupidity and idiocy. Man, TV and YouTube has made everyone a Ninja Rock Star.

 

[Moosez45]

I've said it before, and posted it before, we have to compete with TV and its kickin' our ass. They got stuntmen and pyroteknics, all we have is real deal world skills. And we are still losing. WTF. Better to be Tactikool ninjas, than hardassed survivors. At least there are 2 little girls that I know for sure, won't be Taktikool Ninjers.

Moose

 

[R.A.T.]

At least there are 2 little girls that I know for sure, won't be Taktikool Ninjers.

Moose

You bet. They're damn lucky they have a dad that can show them what reality is as they grow. Kids nowadays, for the most part, don't impress me at all. They're worthless little whiners that won't work for anything. I hate kids. Give me a good dog any day

 

[tonym]

I hate kids. Give me a good dog any day

Admit it, you were bitten weren't ya??

 

[Moosez45]

You bet. They're damn lucky they have a dad that can show them what reality is as they grow. Kids nowadays, for the most part, don't impress me at all. They're worthless little whiners that won't work for anything. I hate kids. Give me a good dog any day

So, R.A.T., how do you really feel about the kids now adays. I kinda got mixed messages on your quoted post, if you could clarify, I would appreciate it.

Moose

 

[R.A.T.]

Admit it, you were bitten weren't ya??

By kids and dogs. I forgave the dogs but not once did I ever forgive a kid.

 

[smflorkey]

maybe you should just send them a cheap throwing knife set. it would probably cost you less in the end.

Jeff, hat was my thought. Just send the guy a Cold Steel throwing knife instead. He seems to want to throw knives; he should have the right knife to throw.

And, as easy as it is for us to trash this guy, Shotgunner11 has a point. He may just not understand the dramatic differences between steels. I have the advantage of growing up with a father who was an excellent machinist. He occasionally taught his sons a little about different materials and tools. We knife knuts talk often about different steels and the trade-off between edge retention and brittleness. This guy may just need to know that ESEE's hardened steel will keep an edge longer but break more easily than a softer steel designed for throwing.

Then again, some folks just won't learn, no matter what. In any case, I can certainly understand your frustration. A "Wall of Shame" for people who refuse to learn how to treat an excellent tool may be a good idea.

Shalom,
Steve

 

[Magus]

Haven't thrown a knife since I was a kid(and that was a looong time ago). My dad gave me a set of actual throwing knives when I was about 10 or 11, don't remember who they were made by. Sure was a lot of fun though.

My dad was a cop for 30 years and is still an avid hunter and outdoors enthusiast, so respect for a blade was instilled in me very early, not to mention what the limitations of a given knife were.

Many of the doofus/mall ninja/tacticool type youngsters nowadays though don't have a clue because they've never received any real guidance. In some respects...it's not their fault and I feel sorry for them. Seems to be the case of the individual who sent Jeff the email.

I was fortunate to be educated properly from an early age I guess. It's truly sad to me what a dying breed some of us seem to be becoming.

 

[burddogg]

When I originally read the email you posted, I seriously thought it was a joke.

Some people make me sad