Yojimbo 2 Availability - What Happened?

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Moving Target

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Is it me, or did Spyderco totally drop the ball in terms of anticipating demand for this knife?

I have had mine pre-ordered for weeks now from two different online sites and neither has gotten enough to even fill their pre-orders yet! Everywhere else online is out of stock, usually with backorders already lined up, and even Spydercos' own online storefront is sold out. You can find one on Ebay if you're desperate and want to pay well above MSRP - personally, I'd rather not reward people trying to profit from the shortage. Otherwise, the only option is to try to be good and hope Santa brings you one!

C'mon guys, time to ramp-up production!
 
Yea I ended up canceling my preorder. Now I have my eye on a 0550. Lesson to spyderco, you snooze you lose.
 
Yeah, I cancelled my pre-order (for 2) from KnifeCenter when I saw that other, smaller online sellers were getting them in and blowing out of them in a matter of hours - all the while KC hasn't even been able to fill their backlog of pre-orders!
 
Hi Moving Target,

Sorry for your disappointment. Spyerco 's Golden factory has production ramped up as much as possible. If fact, we are making more US knives than ever before. We're buying more equipment as quickly as possible. Most of our models are still growing in demand. When a new model like the Yo 2 is introduced, demand exceeds production capacity for a while.

sal
 
Remember when the Para 2 first came out? Demand was ridiculous and you couldn't find a place that had them in stock. Same deal with the Yo 2.
 
Orion's Belt said:
Remember when the Para 2 first came out? Demand was ridiculous and you couldn't find a place that had them in stock. Same deal with the Yo 2.
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Yes, the release of the Yo 2 is turning out to be the same sort of fiasco. Lessons left unlearned, I suppose. The good news is, by most accounts this design is worth the wait.
 
I figured the demand would exceed the supply initially as it usually does with highly anticipated models like the Y2, so I set my expectations to getting one 2-4 months after the first batch came out. I'm not going to pay an inflated price for one and I can handle a little wait.
 
Manufacturing capacity is what it is. Knives aren't like movies or videogames that have to make their money on a hug initial release, they're a product that will, ideally continue to sell steadily for a much longer period. I'd rather see them produce a knife in steady numbers and let supply catch up with demand over time then have them gamble financially by saturating the market with a single model and then tapering production on that model down to almost zero.
 
Moving Target said:
Is it me, or did Spyderco totally drop the ball in terms of anticipating demand for this knife?

Yes, the release of the Yo 2 is turning out to be the same sort of fiasco. Lessons left unlearned, I suppose.
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You need to get some perspective, buddy boy. Spyderco neither "dropped the ball" nor is either release a "fiasco". Spyderco isn't Apple or EA Games with massive factories in China cranking out millions of iPhones or Madden NFL. They released a couple of knives where the initial demand was simply greater than the amount they could supply. Would you rather they pushed back the release date several months simply so everybody would get theirs at the same time? Are you that petty and selfish? What if supply was greater than the demand, and they were left with too many knives (like the T-Mag)? A miscalculation like that can hurt a company as small as Spyderco, which is a lesson I'm certain they have learned.
 
I don't wish to put an additional burr under your saddle but my understanding of a pre order is to insure the manufacturer that their supply in perfectly inline with demand. Fulfilling the amount allotted to retailers is not selfish, it's what is expected when you as a consumer commit to pre ordering. No need to get huffy, everyone's in this knife addiction together.
 
Planterz said:
You need to get some perspective, buddy boy. Spyderco neither "dropped the ball" nor is either release a "fiasco". Spyderco isn't Apple or EA Games with massive factories in China cranking out millions of iPhones or Madden NFL. They released a couple of knives where the initial demand was simply greater than the amount they could supply. Would you rather they pushed back the release date several months simply so everybody would get theirs at the same time? Are you that petty and selfish? What if supply was greater than the demand, and they were left with too many knives (like the T-Mag)? A miscalculation like that can hurt a company as small as Spyderco, which is a lesson I'm certain they have learned.
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Wow, from my brain to your keyboard. :D
You said EXACTLY what I was thinking when I read this thread.
 
Planterz said:
You need to get some perspective, buddy boy. Spyderco neither "dropped the ball" nor is either release a "fiasco". Spyderco isn't Apple or EA Games with massive factories in China cranking out millions of iPhones or Madden NFL. They released a couple of knives where the initial demand was simply greater than the amount they could supply. Would you rather they pushed back the release date several months simply so everybody would get theirs at the same time? Are you that petty and selfish? What if supply was greater than the demand, and they were left with too many knives (like the T-Mag)? A miscalculation like that can hurt a company as small as Spyderco, which is a lesson I'm certain they have learned.
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+1 great reply. Spyderco is very responsive to customer desires and stays in pretty close communication with its customer base. Along with that comes some delays when production times slip due to any of various reasons and a build up of anticipation in the customer base prior to product release. The trade off would be much less communication prior to product availability and longer time to product launches while the product was produced and inventoried to ensure supply for everyone who may want the product.

Sal don't change a thing I love the responsiveness and communication that Spyderco has with its customers. Its one of many things that sets Spyderco apart as a company!
 
Moving Target said:
Yes, the release of the Yo 2 is turning out to be the same sort of fiasco. Lessons left unlearned, I suppose. The good news is, by most accounts this design is worth the wait.
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BOO-YAH! :p

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edlex said:
I don't wish to put an additional burr under your saddle but my understanding of a pre order is to insure [sic] the manufacturer that their supply in perfectly inline with demand. Fulfilling the amount allotted to retailers is not selfish, it's what is expected when you as a consumer commit to pre ordering. No need to get huffy, everyone's in this knife addiction together.
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A pre-order is a line. It's at a dealer's discretion to even offer pre-orders. A manufacturer is not to blame if the dealer's pre-order line is longer than the demand. And in your huffiness you stepped out of that line, meaning it'll be even longer before you'll get one. And you stepped out of line to get a knife that's just as difficult to find as the Y2. Who you gonna blame when you can't find a 0550 for less than $50 over MSRP?
 
Planterz said:
Would you rather they pushed back the release date several months simply so everybody would get theirs at the same time? Are you that petty and selfish?
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I believe merchants with long standing pre-orders should take delivery before the sites which did not provide the option - and certainly before they start popping up on Ebay. Obviously, pre-ordering is a service the retailers themselves provide, however, I assume Spyderco knows how much each site has requested and committed to buying from them wholesale. Does that make me petty and selfish, well...maybe a little.
 
Some will order the entire production run. Kelly needs to allocate to each to avoid distribution issues.

sal
 
Sal Glesser said:
Some will order the entire production run. Kelly needs to allocate to each to avoid distribution issues.
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And there you have it. Spyderco is not to blame if KC or whoever offers more pre-order slots than can be filled.

Ever go to Subway at 1pm on a Saturday? It's one of their busiest times, so they have a lot of staff on hand to serve you. Sometimes even that's not enough, and there's a long line. And guess what? 2 minutes before you got there a few vans pulled up and an entire girl's little league soccer team got in line before you. Is it Subway's fault that there's a lot of people that want a sandwich at 1pm on a Saturday? Is anybody really to blame? No. That's just the situation. Deal with it like a patient adult, or try your luck at Burger King. Ya'll are looking to blame somebody for a fault that doesn't exist.
 
Planterz said:
You need to get some perspective, buddy boy. Spyderco neither "dropped the ball" nor is either release a "fiasco". Spyderco isn't Apple or EA Games with massive factories in China cranking out millions of iPhones or Madden NFL. They released a couple of knives where the initial demand was simply greater than the amount they could supply. Would you rather they pushed back the release date several months simply so everybody would get theirs at the same time? Are you that petty and selfish? What if supply was greater than the demand, and they were left with too many knives (like the T-Mag)? A miscalculation like that can hurt a company as small as Spyderco, which is a lesson I'm certain they have learned.
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Exactly what I (and RevDevil) was going to post as well. :thumbup:
 
Moving Target said:
I believe merchants with long standing pre-orders should take delivery before the sites which did not provide the option - and certainly before they start popping up on Ebay. Obviously, pre-ordering is a service the retailers themselves provide, however, I assume Spyderco knows how much each site has requested and committed to buying from them wholesale. Does that make me petty and selfish, well...maybe a little.
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Sorry, but this suggestion is completely ridiculous and unrealistic.
 
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