You can't do THAT with a ZT...

[brancron]

Here's a ZT rainbow to cheer everybody up:

 

[LadyEarth]

C'mon folks, let's discuss knives.
Or at least post pictures of adorable toads...LOLcats are acceptable as well.

But not each other; that way lies the death of the thread, and ever growing ignore lists all around.

That made me realize I have very little action photographs of my knives. That is one problem I will need to fix this year!
It's funny how I (and/or we) take our knives for granted to the point where we forget to admire it in action and take photographs/videos of it.

 

[stabman]

Here's a ZT rainbow to cheer everybody up:

Ooooh pretty.

That made me realize I have very little action photographs of my knives. That is one problem I will need to fix this year!
It's funny how I (and/or we) take our knives for granted to the point where we forget to admire it in action and take photographs/videos of it.

I used to have almost no pics.
First I had no camera...then my camera broke.
Then I borrowed a camera...but it broke too.

Then I got a crappy cellphone, but it wouldn't load to computer until I got a memory card and adapter for it.

So it's been in spurts, and most often when someone else is around to take the picture.

The moral of the story is, don't loan me your camera.

 

[RevDevil]

I also have a Gerber Paraframe. I used the knife for a year straight, it never closed on me, never failed to cut stuff, and came in very handy as a toolbox knife since then. It was worth the $20 I bought it for. This was about 10 years ago, still have the knife and the lock up is still at 50%, I will try and find it.

 

[Quiet]

You complained that we're full of anecdotes, etc but then you turn around and gave us your own subjective thoughts rather than backing up with statistical evidences that you said is required. Not only that, but you didn't even provide any statistical evidences for any of your defensive stances regarding ZT knives.

You realize how that makes you look to the rest of us? You're a hypocrite through and through.

You can call me all the names you like, it makes you look like you're upset because you aren't getting your way.

Listen, let's cut to the chase here. I have made no claims in this thread that need backing up. All I have stated is that I'd like to see real, objective proof that Zero Tolerance knives have all these issues like several of you claim. That's all. Instead of proof, we get given links to some Youtube videos. Wow, Youtube videos. Listen, there's a reason why college professors frown on students using Wikipedia as a source for research papers, and it's because articles can be edited to show anything that someone wants. Same with Youtube videos. As soon as you understand that Youtube videos aren't objective proof of anything, the better off you'll be. I am really having a hard time understanding how this has escaped you.

Lastly, it's not on me to provide proof. You keep trying to spin this around me to demand proof of MY position, when all I'VE done is demand proof of YOUR position. Sorry, that's not how this works. My ONLY stance concerning ZT knives is that they are good designs, can work hard, and they work well.

Youtube videos showing a few locks breaking on a few specific knives won't dispute any of those viewpoints for me, sorry. KAI puts out tens of thousands of Zero Tolerance knives. What is the actual percentage of failures? Do you know? Does asdf12345? Does anyone? I am well aware that the answer is no. That's why I asked for it. If you're going to come into a thread and trash talk ZT knives, then it's on YOU to prove your comments correct, not on me to prove you wrong.

Now, will that be all, or do you and Brancon want to keep calling me names? I'm fine with it if you want to, I understand that some folks need to be able to blow off steam in some fashion, I suppose.

 

[LadyEarth]

Here is my two heavy duty knives I use on the trail frequently.

 

[Quiet]

But what if they're just some low post count low participation n00bie?

It wouldn't matter. My point in citing post count is that there are two folks in this thread with low post counts over over three years of membership on this forum who made claims to the effect that I am always arguing or always "bloviating" or always whatever. I have a hard time seeing how that's possible if you don't participate in the forum. Do you think that's a fair viewpoint?

I also have a Gerber Paraframe. I used the knife for a year straight, it never closed on me, never failed to cut stuff, and came in very handy as a toolbox knife since then. It was worth the $20 I bought it for. This was about 10 years ago, still have the knife and the lock up is still at 50%, I will try and find it.

50%?! I'm envious. I think mine were all 100% from the day I got 'em. I'll have to dig them out later and snap a shot.

 

[oxman198]

Good thread. Gotta love my 0561, and my 0550 could probably do even more..

 

[stabman]

I understand that some folks need to be able to blow off steam in some fashion, I suppose.

Another useful function of the internet.

 

[Quiet]

Here is my two heavy duty knives I use on the trail frequently.

I really like the scales on the bottom one. Is that some sort of kirinite?

 

[LadyEarth]

Not sure what kryptoglow used for his handle materials but the bottom one is glow in the dark (lasts me about 2 hours). Both were created by kryptoglow which sad to say, he no longer makes them (unless he updated his status on here since his website is now gone).

 

[Quiet]

Not sure what kryptoglow used for his handle materials but the bottom one is glow in the dark (lasts me about 2 hours). Both were created by kryptoglow which sad to say, he no longer makes them (unless he updated his status on here since his website is now gone).

Well, he does fantastic work. Thank you for sharing. I have a ZT 0551 myself that I don't carry often because it's really...well, chunky. I've always enjoyed the Hinderer ZT designs. I don't have many of the others.

 

[RamZar]

I remember the good old days.
Back at one point, this thread was about a knife...

 

[asdf12345]

I'm sorry, I already asked for that information from asdf12345. As soon as he delivers, I'll be sure to forward the material on to you.

I'm sorry, I already said in my post that I never claimed any objective proof was to be had. From anyone, including you or me. Not only did I never imply that objective proof could be had in the first place, but you accused me of saying several additional nasty things, things which I explicitly opposed in several previous posts on the matter.

Your post concerning your Gerbers make it clear that you don't abide by your own standards regarding providing "actual facts" or "evidence" and that the brand of the knife does in fact influence how you choose to interpret people's intentions.

 

[LadyEarth]

Well, he does fantastic work. Thank you for sharing. I have a ZT 0551 myself that I don't carry often because it's really...well, chunky. I've always enjoyed the Hinderer ZT designs. I don't have many of the others.

Also, just know that this was not my only account. I've been a member since 2009 (other account had over 3,000 posts) but for personal reason, I decided to "move on" from my other account and just be a quieter self on this one. (yes yes, I'm being subjective when I said "quieter"). So yes, I've contributed plenty in the past but decided life was better lived than being on forum. I've had better experiences since then.

One last thing Quiet, I don't mind us butting heads (I honestly don't) as long as we both take our words into account rather than brushed aside. Deal?

~~~

He does do great work which is why I was sad he quit the business because of one jackass that didn't want to deal with the trademark issue with him.

My other scale is a Rival scale with Emerald glow...Let me take a picture.

 

[Quiet]

I'm sorry, I already said in my post that I never claimed any objective proof was to be had. From anyone, including you or me. Not only did I never imply that objective proof could be had in the first place, but you put additional nasty words in my mouth, words which I explicitly opposed in several previous posts on the matter.

Your post concerning your Gerbers make it clear that you don't abide by your own standards regarding providing "actual facts" or "evidence" and that the brand of the knife does in fact influence how you choose to interpret people's intentions.

I accept your statement. Also, I wasn't using any standards, I thought I was being clear about that. I am not making any such sweeping statements concerning Gerber as a whole based solely on my experiences, or some Youtube videos....which is my whole point. If you don't think ZT knives are hard use capable, ok, that's fine! I'm totally good with that. But when you start posting Youtube videos in an attempt to make an objective statement, that's where I have an issue. At the end of the day, I've been called a ZT Fanboy (among other things), but the fact is, ZT knives aren't even my favorite. Chris Reeve knives are, and we all know how many destractors THOSE have. It's ok not to like the same things. That's what makes the world an interesting place. Wonder how many folks here it would surprise to know that I actually like some Cold Steel models? LOL I have four or five CS knives in my collection.

But guys, seriously, this whole "See, Brand X isn't good because....(opinion, opinion, opinion, Youtube video reinforcing my opinion)." thing has got to go. Anyway, let's get back to posting up pics of sweet Zero Tolerance knives:

 

[kniferbro]

You can call me all the names you like, it makes you look like you're upset because you aren't getting your way.

Listen, let's cut to the chase here. I have made no claims in this thread that need backing up. All I have stated is that I'd like to see real, objective proof that Zero Tolerance knives have all these issues like several of you claim. That's all. Instead of proof, we get given links to some Youtube videos. Wow, Youtube videos. Listen, there's a reason why college professors frown on students using Wikipedia as a source for research papers, and it's because articles can be edited to show anything that someone wants. Same with Youtube videos. As soon as you understand that Youtube videos aren't objective proof of anything, the better off you'll be. I am really having a hard time understanding how this has escaped you.

Lastly, it's not on me to provide proof. You keep trying to spin this around me to demand proof of MY position, when all I'VE done is demand proof of YOUR position. Sorry, that's not how this works. My ONLY stance concerning ZT knives is that they are good designs, can work hard, and they work well.

Youtube videos showing a few locks breaking on a few specific knives won't dispute any of those viewpoints for me, sorry. KAI puts out tens of thousands of Zero Tolerance knives. What is the actual percentage of failures? Do you know? Does asdf12345? Does anyone? I am well aware that the answer is no. That's why I asked for it. If you're going to come into a thread and trash talk ZT knives, then it's on YOU to prove your comments correct, not on me to prove you wrong.

Now, will that be all, or do you and Brancon want to keep calling me names? I'm fine with it if you want to, I understand that some folks need to be able to blow off steam in some fashion, I suppose.

What would accept as proof?? You seem to say nothing is "proof enough". I am not being snarky, I really would like to know so we can see eye to eye.

 

[asdf12345]

You can call me all the names you like, it makes you look like you're upset because you aren't getting your way.

Listen, let's cut to the chase here. I have made no claims in this thread that need backing up. All I have stated is that I'd like to see real, objective proof that Zero Tolerance knives have all these issues like several of you claim. That's all. Instead of proof, we get given links to some Youtube videos. Wow, Youtube videos. Listen, there's a reason why college professors frown on students using Wikipedia as a source for research papers, and it's because articles can be edited to show anything that someone wants. Same with Youtube videos. As soon as you understand that Youtube videos aren't objective proof of anything, the better off you'll be. I am really having a hard time understanding how this has escaped you.

Lastly, it's not on me to provide proof. You keep trying to spin this around me to demand proof of MY position, when all I'VE done is demand proof of YOUR position. Sorry, that's not how this works. My ONLY stance concerning ZT knives is that they are good designs, can work hard, and they work well.

Youtube videos showing a few locks breaking on a few specific knives won't dispute any of those viewpoints for me, sorry. KAI puts out tens of thousands of Zero Tolerance knives. What is the actual percentage of failures? Do you know? Does asdf12345? Does anyone? I am well aware that the answer is no. That's why I asked for it. If you're going to come into a thread and trash talk ZT knives, then it's on YOU to prove your comments correct, not on me to prove you wrong.

Now, will that be all, or do you and Brancon want to keep calling me names? I'm fine with it if you want to, I understand that some folks need to be able to blow off steam in some fashion, I suppose.

But when you start posting Youtube videos in an attempt to make an objective statement, that's where I have an issue.

As many people have pointed out, Youtube members who own ZT knives make up a small portion of all owners of ZT knives. Youtube members who choose to make videos about their experiences make up an even smaller portion of all owners of ZT knives.

No objective claims are necessarily being made. But either you can believe that the number of demonstrated failures in this small sample size is relevant to all knives in circulation, or you can believe that they're all people tampering with $200+ knives to prove a nonexistent point, while being so involved with their deception that they also making videos in praise of ZT. And doing all this for free and without any benefit to them.

I suppose another, more fantastical possibility is that only complainers end up with the faulty knives and no one else. While entertaining, even less likely.

 

[Quiet]

Also, just know that this was not my only account. I've been a member since 2009 (other account had over 3,000 posts) but for personal reason, I decided to "move on" from my other account and just be a quieter self on this one. (yes yes, I'm being subjective when I said "quieter"). So yes, I've contributed plenty in the past but decided life was better lived than being on forum. I've had better experiences since then.

One last thing Quiet, I don't mind us butting heads (I honestly don't) as long as we both take our words into account rather than brushed aside. Deal?

~~~

He does do great work which is why I was sad he quit the business because of one jackass that didn't want to deal with the trademark issue with him.

My other scale is a Rival scale with Emerald glow...Let me take a picture.

Hey, I completely understand needing to perhaps shed old misperceptions. The reason behind me choosing "Quiet" as a username was along the same lines. And yes, deal. :thumbup:

That emerald colored scale is gorgeous. I haven't seen much of that user's work, but he clearly knows his way around scale pimping. Wow.

 

[LadyEarth]

My proof is for me alone and it just so happened that many other folks have their own proof that aligns with mine when it comes to ZT disengaging the locks at the lightest pressure. I still love the crap out of my ZT knives and still use them. BUT I love my fingers more. I've had my pinky break because of a poorly made chinese tool (I don't want to post the picture, it was an open wound break, far beyond a knife bite) so that made me very cynical to any flaws (I still give things a chance like my ZT 0550) but none to my ZT 0200 and 0300 that I sold off. (If you want to see my finger wound....I can provide it but not sure if it will break forum rule?)

I am a lot more cautious regarding products that does not do as advertised because of personal experience. The fact that others has experienced the same as me showed me that I'm not alone. I might be few but I'm not alone.