You can't do THAT with a ZT...

[brancron]

I've set no such bar. Now then, how about some proof of your previous comment? Where are all of these arguments that I've participated in on "the wrong side" (according to you)? Or would you care to apologize for your attempt at a personal attack? After all, what does "the wrong side" mean if not "My side"?

Although I did start to veer off topic, I'm not going to continue down this road with you (my personal opinion of you is clear and you're not going to get any apologies for that).

Back again to topic: If someone were to criticize a Gerber knife (and post a video of its lock failing), would you demand that before anyone criticized Gerber, there be a "significant, objective level of proof," that their knives sucked? What would that level of proof look like?

It goes back to something asdf12345 said earlier: "I find it funny that you guys are always the first to hand out the troll accusations.. when it comes to certain brands. Otherwise you don't care at all if it's another brand being crapped on, especially if it's one that you personally are doing the crapping on."

 

[pinnah]

So, to recap:
1) Was going to the woods anyway.
2) YouTube videos about knives generally bore me.
3) I don't like being bored.
4) Don't care if you approve.

Miya's Law applies. "All posts are trolls."

See: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.backcountry/EjRX_uB-3o0[126-150]

I know Eugene. He used to work for NASA Ames and did experiments on the dissemination of information on the 'Net before there was a 'Web. He started several usenet groups, including rec.backcountry and rec.climbing.

The early use of the term "troll" was a fishing reference, not a middle-earth fantasy creature reference. "Trolling" was the opposite of "dry fly" fishing. It was closely related to flame-bait, as in "don't rise to the bait". Somebody might say, "Don't troll. This group is a dry fly zone", meaning that if you want to stir up controversy, be creative and tactful about it and not blunt.

I mention this to explain Miya's Law. It means, every time we he the "post" button, we're looking for a response of some sort. The social language theorists Goffman and Shegloff who founded Conversation Analysis say pretty much the same thing, only they take a lot more words to say it.

Which is very round about way of saying, of course you care that people approve, or at least react. That's why you posted it, for heaven's sake. That's why we all post.

All posts are trolls.

 

[stabman]

Just saying that a bit of battoning the way I did it isn't really testing the lock.

Agreed.
And I thought the same would apply for what I did, since I had the same experience when cross-grain batonning through smaller diameter branches.
But with a tree of this diameter, I found myself hitting in non-optimal ways, which would stress the lock a certain amount.

If one were to take their time, it might be possible to chip away slowly enough to keep hitting properly...but my back sucks (spasms and previous injuries), and it was kind of hot that day, so I wanted to get it done quickly.

 

[Quiet]

Although I did start to veer off topic, I'm not going to continue down this road with you (my personal opinion of you is clear and you're not going to get any apologies for that).

Back again to topic: If someone were to criticize a Gerber knife (and post a video of its lock failing), would you demand that before anyone criticized Gerber, there be a "significant, objective level of proof," that their knives sucked? What would that level of proof look like?

It goes back to something asdf12345 said earlier: "I find it funny that you guys are always the first to hand out the troll accusations.. when it comes to certain brands. Otherwise you don't care at all if it's another brand being crapped on, especially if it's one that you personally are doing the crapping on."

I find your opinion of me irrelevant, and to be an example of your lack of respect for logic or rational debate. Also? Next time you want to bloviate while accusing others of doing the same thing, try to have some facts to back yourself. It does not surprise me that you keep trying to weasel your way out of backing up your own accusations concerning my activities on this board. Since you can't do that, none of your questions are worth my time to answer. Good day.

 

[LadyEarth]

Although I did start to veer off topic, I'm not going to continue down this road with you (my personal opinion of you is clear and you're not going to get any apologies for that).

Back again to topic: If someone were to criticize a Gerber knife (and post a video of its lock failing), would you demand that before anyone criticized Gerber, there be a "significant, objective level of proof," that their knives sucked? What would that level of proof look like?

It goes back to something asdf12345 said earlier: "I find it funny that you guys are always the first to hand out the troll accusations.. when it comes to certain brands. Otherwise you don't care at all if it's another brand being crapped on, especially if it's one that you personally are doing the crapping on."

Quiet has always been the classical case of a hypocrite when it comes to defending his stance for only a selected few brands while using a very broad philosophy that he thinks applies to every blades (hence your Gerber challenge).
He is like an old dog that refuses to learn new tricks.

But hey at least he is "loyal" to ZT in a dysfunctional fashion.

 

[stabman]

Which is very round about way of saying, of course you care that people approve, or at least react. That's why you posted it, for heaven's sake. That's why we all post.

I care about getting responses, or else I wouldn't post publically; this is quite true.
I don't necessarily care about every post, or need the approval of every person; there is a difference between the two things.

And if the funding for research assistants was greater, I'd be working right now, and caring even less.

 

[Krissig12]

Miya's Law applies. "All posts are trolls."

See: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.backcountry/EjRX_uB-3o0[126-150]

I know Eugene. He used to work for NASA Ames and did experiments on the dissemination of information on the 'Net before there was a 'Web. He started several usenet groups, including rec.backcountry and rec.climbing.

The early use of the term "troll" was a fishing reference, not a middle-earth fantasy creature reference. "Trolling" was the opposite of "dry fly" fishing. It was closely related to flame-bait, as in "don't rise to the bait". Somebody might say, "Don't troll. This group is a dry fly zone", meaning that if you want to stir up controversy, be creative and tactful about it and not blunt.

I mention this to explain Miya's Law. It means, every time we he the "post" button, we're looking for a response of some sort. The social language theorists Goffman and Shegloff who founded Conversation Analysis say pretty much the same thing, only they take a lot more words to say it.

Which is very round about way of saying, of course you care that people approve, or at least react. That's why you posted it, for heaven's sake. That's why we all post.

All posts are trolls.

This is trolling....

The thread is about a casual test of OPs knife, and you are sitting over here overanalyzing the psychology of conversation.

 

[brancron]

I find your opinion of me irrelevant, and to be an example of your lack of respect for logic or rational debate. Also? Next time you want to bloviate while accusing others of doing the same thing, try to have some facts to back yourself. It does not surprise me that you keep trying to weasel your way out backing up your own accusations concerning my activities on this board. Since you can't do that, none of your questions are worth my time to answer. Good day.

You won't discuss direct, on-topic questions because I don't want to argue with you about my personal opinion of you, in direct violation of the rules?

How about this: I apologize, and retract everything I've said about you being a gormless, bloviating diva. Will you now entertain the Gerber question I posed?

 

[Quiet]

Quiet has always been the classical case of a hypocrite when it comes to defending his stance for only a selected few brands while using a very broad philosophy that he thinks applies to every blades (hence your Gerber challenge).
He is like an old dog that refuses to learn new tricks.

But hey at least he is "loyal" to ZT in a dysfunctional fashion.

Another low post count, low participation member attempting to use terminology towards me that suggests that they have followed my activities on this Board closely for a long time. LOL Wonder if these two are the same person?

Additionally, let's be real: you two only have seen me "argue" in two threads. This one, and that Cold Steel debacle. You love Cold Steel, and don't like my comments defending Zero Tolerance (because you don't like Zero Tolerance knives, we get it, thanks).

You know that phrase "You make a better door than a window!", well, the both of you make some pretty great windows.

 

[pinnah]

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[Quiet]

You won't discuss direct, on-topic questions because I don't want to argue with you about my personal opinion of you, in direct violation of the rules?

How about this: I apologize, and retract everything I've said about you being a gormless, bloviating diva. Will you now entertain the Gerber question I posed?

Thank you. Reported.

 

[BMCGear]

The funny thing is that I generally don't like flippers much either.
On this knife though, it just seems to work.
Goes to show that the overall knife is more important than any one feature...even ones we generally don't like. :thumbup:

Indeed. If I could handle one before purchase I may feel similar. Nobody sells them locally here though and I don't wanna take the chance on one. Carried Kershaw flippers for years and they just weren't my thing.

I'm considering getting back into a modern folder though so I've been checking out different threads. I appreciate the time put into this one.

 

[brancron]

Thank you. Reported.

I'm telling you I apologize and want to get back on topic. If you don't want to, that's fine. But it is an interesting question: do we hold criticism of brands we like to a much higher standard than criticism of brands we dislike?

 

[LadyEarth]

Another low post count, low participation member attempting to use terminology towards me that suggests that they have followed my activities on this Board closely for a long time. LOL Wonder if these two are the same person?

Additionally, let's be real: you two only have seen me "argue" in two threads. This one, and that Cold Steel debacle. You love Cold Steel, and don't like my comments defending Zero Tolerance (because you don't like Zero Tolerance knives, we get it, thanks).

You know that phrase "You make a better door than a window!", well, the both of you make some pretty great windows.

Actually, if you gave time to read those threads, you would have noticed that I share no love for Cold steel and actively will choose ZT over it.

But hey! You have a frequent behavior of ignoring things that doesn't benefit your stance because heaven forbid, you can be wrong too!

As for my "low post count", I also noticed you didn't notice my join date nor ask me how long I waited until I created a user name. I have been around longer than you based on your join date so your comment is completely baseless and was not necessary.

~~~

Now back on the point of this thread, the only reason why the batoning worked was because there was not a lot of pressure on the lock itself while the blade was doing its job biting into something with its sharp tooth. So I'm not surprised the lock didn't "fail".

 

[stabman]

I'm considering getting back into a modern folder though so I've been checking out different threads. I appreciate the time put into this one.

No problem.
Most of us are here for the enjoyment of knives, so sharing the experience is part of the fun.
Plus, sometimes there's some useful info found that way...which may or may not exist in this thread, depending who you ask.

 

[LadyEarth]

Stabman, dare you to cut down a tree with a ZT 0900
I would enjoy watching that one and see how it works. (Hopefully better than 0300 and 0200)

 

[Quiet]

Actually, if you gave time to read those threads, you would have noticed that I share no love for Cold steel and actively will choose ZT over it.

But hey! You have a frequent behavior of ignoring things that doesn't benefit your stance because heaven forbid, you can be wrong too!

As for my "low post count", I also noticed you didn't notice my join date nor ask me how long I waited until I created a user name. I have been around longer than you based on your join date so your comment is completely baseless and was not necessary.

~~~

Now back on the point of this thread, the only reason why the batoning worked was because there was not a lot of pressure on the lock itself while the blade was doing its job biting into something with its sharp tooth. So I'm not surprised the lock didn't "fail".

Please give several examples of my "frequent behavior" that doesn't exist in this thread or the Cold Steel thread. Thank you, I'll wait.

Seriously, this is Internet Troll 101. "I don't have a factual comeback, so I'll allude to this member having a long history of argumentative behavior, despite the fact that he actually doesn't! That way, others who don't know any better will side with me because they think that this guy's posts are just more arguments instead of what they actually are, clear-cut dissections of my own opinionated non-points!"

Stab, sorry I derailed your thread with these trolls, man.

 

[stabman]

Stabman, dare you to cut down a tree with a ZT 0900
I would enjoy watching that one and see how it works. (Hopefully better than 0300 and 0200)

If I had one.
Although judging by the specs, it might have to be a smaller tree.

 

[kniferbro]

Same bladeforums good ol' boys dodging legitimate questions by making jokes with each other.

Rational debate eh?

 

[stabman]

Same bladeforums good ol' boys dodging legitimate questions by making jokes with each other.

Rational debate eh?

Maybe you should start the Legitimate Questions Thread.
You can start threads too, you know.