You guys are crazy!

Triton,
I'm glad that you stopped by the Busse forum, I hope you stick around and read. It is an enjoyable forum to hang out in whether or not you ever own a Busse knife. There are a couple of things in your post that don't really apply to Busse Combat, I'll explain them a little as I go along. They would apply to many other manufacturers, just not Busse. :D

Triton said:
It might be the crew at Busse since there is no way that their products on the secondary market should be more expensive then identical new products.
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This is seldom the case, the only time I can think of it happening is when someone wants a knife immediately that may not be available at the exact minute that they are looking. The Game Wardens have been selling well lately but they have been selling very quickly (and selling out) at the Company Store. If they were in stock I doubt that they would be selling as well on the for sale forums.

Triton said:
Alternately you guys are crazy unless Busse has signed some sort of contract saying that such and such knife will never EVER be produced again. For examples if a hell razor is going for 10% above new prices on the secondary market and then Busse produces another run of them and sells them for the same price as originally the guys that bought them for 10% above that on the secondary market are going to feel fairly foolish.
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This would be correct except that Busse seldom ever brings a knife back in the exact format that it was available in before, and if they do it is years between the models (I honestly have never seen them re-introduce a knife in the same format but I suppose it could happen)
They literally have dozens of knife models that they have introduced but have not produced to be sold yet, so I doubt that they will bring back an old one(and thereby kill the market ) when they have others to make that people are waiting for.

Triton said:
The other thing is that Busse basically MUST be producing knives faster then the demand is increasing. Eventually they will have to catch up. At that point it seems like a bunch of people are going to be hanging onto some very overpriced knives that they paid way to much for on the secondary market.
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That is possible but for many many years sales have been strong and production has not caught up yet, also it goes back to the fact that some of the models are no longer made so the one's that people currently have will still be worth more than what they paid because of the desire for new collectors to pick up old pieces.

I hope that helps

:D:D
 
I recently had a gentleman, a true gentleman, offer to sell me a Busse at original retail. If there were only more like him. Like others have said, rarely have I been lucky enough to buy anything from the company store or extravaganza's as I don't have internet at home. When I did snag a couple of blades I usually sold them or traded them for something else. I've bought/sold/traded a ton of INFI/SR101 over the last couple of years and I don't think I've ever made more than $50 on a knife, which includes a 5/16" Straight Handled Steelheart (INFI), a Heavy Duty, a Mole Jack, 3/16" Rat Shaker I...

Anyway, I guess what I'm trying to say is remember the Golden Rule...

GregB
 
A true HOG never feels foolish for buying a knife he/she really wants, no matter the cost. I've sold and bought at premium prices, just to get something I really wanted.

The only problem I have is with those that obviously buy with intent to sell immediately at a profit. That sucks for those who really appreciate the quality of the product. If someone buys a knife and it doesn't suit them for some strange reason that's a different story, but to rob the trough of 4 or 5 of the same blade then turn around and sell them right away ticks me off.

The one time I ordered more than I wanted was to match a camo pattern with another size knife I owned. I old the one that was not close to my fisrst knife to someone who really appreciated what he got. I made a few bucks and he was thrilled to get a limited edition blade at what he offered me.

Good luck with your buying.

Thanks for letting me get in my $0.02
 
Money puh we jus wants our INFI! :p

LOL of the knives that i have sold i haven't made a profit whatsoever, sold em with loss or broke even (That's character-building!! :D ). With all the customs (they fondled my SHSHII, damn em! :mad: ) i have to pay i'm going to have to throw a party whenever i make a $ from a knife sale. If i want a knife that isn't made anymore i will have to throw in some extra dollars. I might not like the selling price when the bills arrive, but INFI is just way to addictive not to buy when you finally come across the model that you really want :) .

Now where are all those BA3's BAE's and the SFNO's at a soweeeet price ;)
 
All I can say is that I'm sure it infuriates everyone when someone decides to buy 3,4,6,10 or more with the intent of flipping them....and they are available for an amount of time measured in seconds or minutes.
 
Triton said:
It does thanks! Still getting used to Busse's rather unique sales strategy. So basically EVERYTHING is pretty much a limited edition.
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No, that is not correct either. The knives that are available at www.bussecombat.com can be ordered when they are available and you can order as many as you like in as many different combinations as you want. They are only limited by the number of months that they are available to order. After that they do show up at the Company Store as well so you still have a chance to buy them after Busse Combat stops accepting direct orders. The only real limit to those is your bank account ;)

There are some that are only done in limited runs but those are generally custom or specialized pieces. The regular production pieces I would not say are limited anymore than any other manufacture limits their regular production pieces, you can buy as many as you like as long as you can afford it, you just need to do it while the Busse ordering window is open.

:D:D
 
Eric Isaacson said:
No, that is not correct either. The knives that are available at www.bussecombat.com can be ordered when they are available and you can order as many as you like in as many different combinations as you want. They are only limited by the number of months that they are available to order. After that they do show up at the Company Store as well so you still have a chance to buy them after Busse Combat stops accepting direct orders. The only real limit to those is your bank account ;)

There are some that are only done in limited runs but those are generally custom or specialized pieces. The regular production pieces I would not say are limited anymore than any other manufacture limits their regular production pieces, you can buy as many as you like as long as you can afford it, you just need to do it while the Busse ordering window is open.

:D:D
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Gotcha......
 
The other thing is that Busse basically MUST be producing knives faster then the demand is increasing. Eventually they will have to catch up.
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Therein lies the inaccuracy of the assumption. Unfortunately, the Busse shop is not keeping up with the market's demand (desire/addiction ;) ) for the knives, hence the escalated prices on the secondary market. The prospects for the shop catching up with demand for Busse knives anytime soon are likewise very, very dim.

As time goes on, more people get exposed & interested in the Wauseon wares, thereby increasing Jerry's market base and the raw number of hogs/hoglettes/piglets at the trough. That makes for increasing demand.

Another factor on the shop's inability to keep up with demand comes from the fact that some percentage of the shop's output goes to contracts from the military, government, and other agencies. I suspect that it is a substantial percentage. If that output were to be released to the civilian market instead, I would guess Jerry could *almost* keep up with the demand for his knives. ;)

IMHO Jerry's efforts to not simply align his shop prices with the skyrocketing secondary prices paid for his wares speak very highly of both his individual character (and his IS a character! :D ) and his desire to spread the INFI love around.

Imagine the kind of night sweats a sales or marketing department would get if they were in Jerry's shoes.... runaway market demand for your product and secondary market prices jumping 20-150% in virtually instantaneous timeframes from cessation of production of the model. INFI is like a long-running version of the Tickle-Me-Elmo gift craze that swept the USA a couple of Christmases ago.
 
It was a Game Warded (Black/Double cut) sans sheath and yep I bought it. Now I just need a sheath.....

To paraphrase the gentleman who sold it to me "to sell it to you for more than I paid wouldn't be right". He had bought the limited edition and the black one and preferred the thinner stock. I appreciated it.

Just ask the guys I shoot with, I'm always looking for my "next" gun or knife trade. Because of that I hesitate to drop a large chunk of change on any item, because 9 times out of 10 I'll end up trading/selling it because I want to try something different and given my budget I can't afford to hord/collect knives costing hundreds of dollars and/or quality firearms. So my stragegy is pretty simple. Buy what I can afford and sell or trade something to get the "next" blade. I've been a "one gun" guy for @6 months now because of my INFI/SR101/SR77 addiction (not to mention my RD 6&7). No regets:)

GregB
 
Didn't we just finish a big thread on "Gouging" not too long ago and most of you here were all for it? :jerkit:

Where the hek is INFI MAN anyway?
 
I don't think anyone came out "for" gouging anyone. What I do think most said was, if you don't like the prices, don't buy the knives. But it isn't up to us to police individuals selling their knives.
 
Same story here. A hog was kind enough to sell me a knife at a great price so I could see what INFI was all about. That or I interupted drinking time with too many questions and he wanted me to go away.

Its good he did. You can read all about infi, but you really have to use it to understand. If I didn't buy it then, I doubt I would have a busse now with the secondary market prices. Its their investment but don't have to pay it. Good advice. Always research it.

though it can be hard when you're use to infi performance and you have to down grade. Then your knife breaks. :grumpy:
 
Progunner said:
I have never sold a knife at a loss, always at a modest or decent profit (except for one or two that I made some excellent cash on). That is one stipulation the Mrs. has put on my collecting. As long as I can sell them for as much or more than I have in them, I can still collect.
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Like they say, the guilty dog barks first :D
 
brianNH said:
Like they say, the guilty dog barks first :D
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Or the pissed off dog barks first. I know progunner, have seen his prices over the years and know him as a friend. He doesn't charge over what I consider fair, takes care of people and is a hog among hogs. There are others in that category too.

Progunner is far from being a price inflator.:cool: :thumbup:
 
brianNH said:
Didn't we just finish a big thread on "Gouging" not too long ago and most of you here were all for it?
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Seems that many posting in here didn't post over there. The one's all "For it" seem to be silent in here.

As for another thread on this "finish", obviously this problem is still going on. But this atleast lets the new guys become aware of higher than I've ever seen and possibly prevent them paying too much because I have praised these knives countless times. And maybe the silence speaks volumes on those who are charging too high (IMO) of a price. Could be their concience, their conviction or their not giving a ****. Either way, I'll remain with buying only from those I know I can trust for a fair deal.
 
Those that were paying attention when this thread started will remember that the complaint was not about the highly colectable that I see PG selling at high prices, but about the scalping that has been going on. It is hard to point fingers, and also the saying that comes to mind is, the toes you step on today may be connected to the a-- you have to kiss tomorrow. So all I am going to say is that the users should be priced accordingly and the safequeens might as well be priced however ya'll want to price them 'cause I ain't into that sort of thing. The malfunction occurs when the users are all gone and the few that are holding them "decide" it's a time to "thin" out the collection, allong with some piglett's bank account.
In the end it all goes back to only spending what you can and

NO REGRETS

If Juan over in timbukfor want an AD so bad that he will pay xxx for it then by golly send it to him, quick before someone offers to sell him theirs for less.
 
Haven't been around for long. Only just purchased my first piece -- from ProGunner.

Can't say I feel like I've been gouged at all. Progunner was a real gentleman, and I'd have been willing to pay more for the fine piece he sold me. Not at all upset that he made a little more than Mr. Busse did originally.

Like it or not, we live in a capitalist society. Don't like it (or its price)? Just don't buy...

Believe me when I say you wouldn't like the alternatives much.
 
OldPhysics said:
Haven't been around for long. Only just purchased my first piece -- from ProGunner.

Can't say I feel like I've been gouged at all. Progunner was a real gentleman, and I'd have been willing to pay more for the fine piece he sold me. Not at all upset that he made a little more than Mr. Busse did originally.

Like it or not, we live in a capitalist society. Don't like it (or its price)? Just don't buy...

Believe me when I say you wouldn't like the alternatives much.
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What PG sold you he's had for sometime and I do not see an issue with him selling it for what he feels it's worth or else he would not sell it. Same goes for the Blades Raden sold. I am sure he sold them for what it would take to take them off his hands. But when you buy a blade and a week or even a month later flip it for 30% more that is rediculous. However, it is a free trade system and a lot of the newbies are just doing it for money IMO. I see it a lot on the sale forum. I think that is what Ducci meant and I agree.

But whatever, there is no law against any of it so who really cares.

That is why I like the price that Jerry Put on the MOASK's, because only the people that really want them are going to get them as the price is too high to resell quickly. :thumbup:
 
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