Your Opinion of Sanrenmu Knives

[J85909266]

A wise person would keep the politics and personal carp out of this thread.

There will be no more warnings. Rules to this forum are posted. It is up to folks to obey them or not.

Really, you gave me an infraction for being passionate? I was going to renew my membership, but if you are going to cater to people that buy knockoffs that are harming this industry while censoring me for caring, then forget it. I've been supporting this forum for years, but this is just sad.

 

[Folderguy]

Really, you gave me an infraction for being passionate? I was going to renew my membership, but if you are going to cater to people that buy knockoffs that are harming this industry while censoring me for caring, then forget it. I've been supporting this forum for years, but this is just sad.

Just wondering if you think those US manufacturers who have knives made in China are "harming this industry"?

 

[jill jackson]

I'm more disgusted after learning that than I was before. You people are fools.

Really, you gave me an infraction for being passionate? I was going to renew my membership, but if you are going to cater to people that buy knockoffs that are harming this industry while censoring me for caring, then forget it. I've been supporting this forum for years, but this is just sad.

No, you got an infraction for breaking the rules. You insulted members, against the rules.

Just wondering if you think those US manufacturers who have knives made in China are "harming this industry"?

That's OK it seems, because it's USA based.
But, the Chinese wouldn't be making all this knockoff stuff probably, if the companies hadn't taken the work to China in the first place. So, to me it's all connected.

 

[Halberdier]

Do you really think they can sell a 7 dollar knife with comparable quality to the best production companies in the USA by just underpaying their workers? Yes they dont pay their workers as much as they should but its hardly the slave conditions you suggest. I've been to China multiple times and have family members who live there and they would laugh at your comments. Guess what, they work their asses off in China and everyone believes strongly in working hard. Only in America do people say take it easy and dont work too hard. That philosophy creates more efficient workers and higher quality goods at a cheaper price. Also Sanrenmu doesnt have massive profit margins like US knife companies. Unfortunately America has fallen behind when it comes to efficient production compared to China and we as American consumers end up paying for it. I dont own any knives from Chinese companies, except for my 3 Sanrenmu knives I picked up recently from a trip to China, and wholeheartedly support US knife companies like Spyderco but I find it funny how ignorant some of the China bashers really are. If you really are strapped for cash and need a knife, how can you not consider a 7 dollar knife with superb quality like the 710. Instead of saying we as Americans should work harder to catch up, people say lets boycott Chinese products. Terrible attitude and a losers mentality if you ask me.

I hate to embarrass you after this emotional outburst. But facts are facts and you're either ignoring them or are ignorant of them. The United States' industrial output is currently 1.4x that of China and its GDP is 3x that of China. However, when you consider that China's industrial workforce is as much as 40x the size of America's, the per-worker output here is actually ~60x of there. And when you consider that China's population is 5x that of America, the per-capita GDP here is actually 15x of there. All of this -- according to you -- is without us even trying very hard. Are you sure you want us to?

Better stick to knives, Sir. Your knowledge of economics is weak. And more importantly, this is a knife forum.

This was my response to a post (above) calling Americans lazy and forum members ignorant and losers. I was in my opinion informative, factual and polite, but still got an infraction somehow. So don't feel so bad..

 

[oxbld]

Back on topic...

- the original 728 is another fave. A really nice 2-hand opening knife with some old-fashioned charm.

I placed an order for this knife a couple days ago.

I also ordered a couple Bee's and Enlan's along with it. I ordered the Bee L05 and L06-2, and the Enlan M03GRY and M09-3. I'll probably start a new thread about them once they arrive and I get a chance to take pics.

 

[saulysw]

Back on topic...

... I ordered the Bee L05 ....

I took mine apart last night. I wasn't happy with the lockup, the liner was only just engaging with the back of the blade. So ground it down a fraction with a grinding wheel, just a little, and making sure I kept the slight angle it had. After that, I sanded for 30 seconds or so on fine paper, and put it all back together with a little grease. The result? Perfect! The liner lock now comes half way across the back of the blade, and fully engages. It still has plenty to go if it wants to wear.

I am finding it VERY hard to put this knife down. It's my current favourite to play with - open, close, open, cut something, close, repeat. The sound it makes when you flick it open and it locks up is quite satisfying, or at least, I find it so. You don't need to flick your wrist, but you can if you want it to open with more force. It's easily as fast as an auto. I've loosened the pivot a little to make the action the way I like it, and that means that the tip is slightly off centre. It still has great detent, and no up/down play just a tiny bit of side to side. Tiny.

There is a small scoop at the base of the blade, which makes it very safe to close. Your thumb is on the liner lock, and the blade comes back, and the scoop hits you nail rather than a sharp part of the blade. I don't know if I'm describing that well, but I have some other blades where you really gotta get out of the way fast or you might lose that thumb tip as the blade comes back, or it gets crushed by the arm of a flipper.

Anyway, I hope you will enjoy it as much as I currently am.

I showed this knife to a friend at work and he suggested buying a couple and making a project of changing the scales - to other local woods or even stone. I might just do that, even though I've never done anything like it before.

 

[yobbos1]

Reading most of this thread I can't help but wonder how many Englishmen bitched about cheap American made Barlows once-upon-a-time. The world keeps turning dudes, that's just the way things are now.

 

[ThePharce]

Just remember, 40-50 years ago it was "Don't by anything made in Japan, because it's crap". 20 years ago it was "Hyundai!? That crappy KOREAN company?!" Now it's China....


.....if the US expects to keep up with the rest of the world, we simply have to do a better job making the things people want at a price they can afford.

 

[orthogonal1]

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.....if the US expects to keep up with the rest of the world, we simply have to do a better job making the things people want at a price they can afford.

That's easy and we can start with you.

From now on, you make the grand sum of $5 a day, thereby bringing the cost of some product down to what people can afford.

Hope you have some success getting others to join you, because I surely will not volunteer to.

 

[Ankerson]

.....if the US expects to keep up with the rest of the world, we simply have to do a better job making the things people want at a price they can afford.

It's not about what people can afford...

It's more about how much they want to spend.

There is a big difference.

And yeah if you want to work for $5 a day and can get a bunch of others to go along with you.....

We in the US are our own worst enemies, we as consumers are going to cheap ourselves right into being a 3rd world nation and we are heading that way fast.

That whole it's a World Economy is the biggest bunch of BS I have ever heard, that's a buzz word for the Corporations getting richer while the US Ecomomy continues to go down the tubes. They get fatter as they send more Americans out on the street jobless and it will continue. They will lay off another 1500 people so they can keep their big bonuses so they can go down and buy a new BMW or Beach Condo while those 1500 people they just laid off struggle to put food on the table and feed their kids.

I hear people say that that's a hard choice to lay off their people, well it's sure isn't too hard for them to go down to the bank and cash those huge bonus checks after they laid them all off.

Lets just keep padding the Economies of other countries creating a better way of life for them by sending more jobs over there while more Americans lose theirs, we have been doing a wonderful job at it so far.

 

[bigbadboom]

See , the problem is that the folks in this world that DO earn $5 a day actually save their money. The money they save gets lent out and spent on folks who get paid way more for doing way less and spend it all on credit cards on stuff they probly dont need , just want , probly made by those $5 a day workers. Somethings gotta break and cant last thru all that ? The middle guys are pocketing all the $$

 

[cziv]

So you're really saying we should boycott, WalMart, Spyderco, Benchmade, KAI and any other knifemaker or corporate entity that uses Chinese, Taiwanese, Singapore, So. American countries (to name some) that our elected officials, through their legislation, (there lies the problem) allow to be involved in assisting them in making more affordable knives and other products?

Since this is in General Knife Discussion, I won't get started, but read some of this material: here, here, and here - this last one is very good IMHO.

 

[ThePharce]

That's easy and we can start with you.

From now on, you make the grand sum of $5 a day, thereby bringing the cost of some product down to what people can afford.

Hope you have some success getting others to join you, because I surely will not volunteer to.

To rebut:


Honda and Nissan employees who work in the US make significantly less(in general) than workers from the US automakers. They do still make a nice and comfortable living. Which companies give you more car for less money?

It isn't a matter of making $5 a day...It's a matter of Americans having unrealistic expectations of what they SHOULD be making.

I'm also a saxophonist. There are currently NO saxophones being made in the US for this reason. There are horns being manufactured in Germany, Japan, France, and Italy besides the Taiwanese horns. I would think that Germany, Japan, and France all pay more than $5 a day.

Kershaw is proof that a quality product can be made in the US for a fair price.

 

[orthogonal1]

To rebut:


Honda and Nissan employees who work in the US make significantly less(in general) than workers from the US automakers. They do still make a nice and comfortable living. Which companies give you more car for less money?

It isn't a matter of making $5 a day...It's a matter of Americans having unrealistic expectations of what they SHOULD be making.

I'm also a saxophonist. There are currently NO saxophones being made in the US for this reason. There are horns being manufactured in Germany, Japan, France, and Italy besides the Taiwanese horns. I would think that Germany, Japan, and France all pay more than $5 a day.

Kershaw is proof that a quality product can be made in the US for a fair price.

To traverse....

The U.S. auto-industry has/had problems with cost control due to union involvement. This is a well known issue that has afflicted the old-line U.S. manufactureres for decades. The auto-industry is not a germane comparison to the knife industry. Perhaps the U.S. textile industry would be a better example - if you can find it (sorta small these days).

As to "Which companies give you more car for less money?", since I prefer V-8 rear wheel drive cars (not trucks), the U.S. makers offer much more car for less money.

As to saxaphones, I don't know how much they cost. But, since labor costs in the U.S. are generally less than Germany, for example, maybe there is business oppurtunity there. BTW - How much are Chinese made saxaphones?

As to "Kershaw is proof that a quality product can be made in the US for a fair price.", that is a matter of opinion, since I don't like the vast majority of Kershaw products. A product that one dislikes is overpriced no matter any other consideration. The Kershaw knives I do like generally cost as much as similar Spyderco and Benchmade models, though.

 

[Ankerson]

So you're really saying we should boycott, WalMart, Spyderco, Benchmade, KAI and any other knifemaker or corporate entity that uses Chinese, Taiwanese, Singapore, So. American countries (to name some) that our elected officials, through their legislation, (there lies the problem) allow to be involved in assisting them in making more affordable knives and other products?

Since this is in General Knife Discussion, I won't get started, but read some of this material: here, here, and here - this last one is very good IMHO.

Yeah that last one is right on the money.

It's all way beyond this thread and has been heading that way for decades now.

Bottom line is the only ones who make out are the Corp Executives and the Politicians, everyone else loses as has been shown by our current situation here in the US. It really doesn't matter how you cut it, that just the way it is.

And when it all comes falling down they will all be living the high life someplace else while the rest of the people are starving to death from what they have created.

 

[drbobguy]

Here's an interesting ZT inspired knife for sale, not sure who makes it:

EDIT: Link removed

 

[SPXTrader]

Here's an interesting ZT inspired knife for sale, not sure who makes it:

link

It is a Chinese knock-off, and a very poorly done one at that. It could also be an attempt to copy the Lahar.

Your link is close to deal spotting too. Just a friendly heads up.

 

[cziv]

It is a Chinese knock-off, and a very poorly done one at that. It could also be an attempt to copy the Lahar.

Your link is close to deal spotting too. Just a friendly heads up.

I was going to say that has Galyean written all over the clip and blade shape - the whole thing actually.

They're out of stock anyway so it's a "no deal" spotting infraction for you sir.

 

[JeremiahWeaver09]

its a copy of the boker plus jim burke

 

[drbobguy]

Gah, thanks for pointing out it's a copy. I've bought a few of these Chinese knives now but try to steer clear of the ones that are direct copies (or copy the axis lock, etc.). There are some decent and interesting original Chinese knives out there, like the Sanrenmu 905 or the Bee L05, but they are the few gems amid a see of cheap knockoffs.