Your weirdest woods encounter

Lets go ahead and say that buying anti-freeze doesnt mean you're making meth. I mean... that's a pretty crazy jump of a conclusion. I bought some anti-freeze not too long ago. I sure hope everyone in the parking lot didnt think I was making meth. Also, as a child, I went on camping trips with my father and grandfather. I dont know, as I said in my first post, the whole story doesnt make sense to me. But, I guess we're different people and we read things differently. I wasnt there, and I dont know what the deal was. Neither does the OP. I, personally, dont really see anything fishy about the whole thing. I guess it's odd that the people decided to leave pretty quickly, but they might have been going to leave, anyways. And, when a stranger started giving them the 3rd degree, it seemed like a perfect time to make good on their plans. YMMV.
 
ive bought 3 jugs of anti-freeze at once....my radiator was leaking.....i dont make meth.

anyways...weirdest thing ever happened to me was i was on kauai on the kalalau trail about half way and i was a bit tired. i turned a corner and low and behold theres a naked woman standing there! first i thought maybe i was seeing things but she waved and smiled. so i walked ahead towards her on the trail and we chatted a bit then i look up and theres ANOTHER nude girl. it was.....interesting. we chatted and i filled up my nalgene. oddly enough it was more beautiful than erotic. and no i dont have any pics to prove it! :)
 
I absolutely agree that buying antifreeze is not suspicious. From the original post the sequence of events, along with the hesitant feeling of the poster, causes me to raise an eyebrow about the situation not call in a SWAT team. Depending on my gut, I might have blown it off or I might have brought it to the cops attention. I wasn't there and didn't see their demeanor. KR1 was and did what he thought was right.:thumbup:
 
EMT_Lee said:
Unless his state has something special, then no. Off-duty, you are not "bound by law" or any such thing to go around filing police reports. At least, not in the great State of North Carolina.
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This is starting to get a little boring. I am an EMT in CT. I also do/have practiced as an EMT at times in the Wilderness and am certified as a Wilderness EMT on SAR teams in both CT and NH. I teach SAR and SAR related subjects to my Fire department and other groups. I have also passed my instructor certification to be an EMS instructor in CT and will shortly have my license when the rest of the paperwork is finished. In CT we have a law, on the books for the last 4 or 5 years where every EMT/Paramedic/Nurse/School Teacher/MRT are now all considered mandated reporters. BY LAW we have a legal obligation to report ANY suspected abuse, physical or OTHERWISE of elder and child that we reasonably suspect may have or is taking place. I already stated that I probably wasn't legally obliged to report it. It didn't mean that I still don't take that responsibility seriously. And it is not a police report we fill out in CT. We MUST make an oral report by phone within 8 hours and it must be acted upon by the agency within 24 hours and our written report on the incident must be filed within 48 hours, again, BY LAW. Since that mechanism wasn’t available to me, since I wasn’t in CT, I used the phone to call the police. If you consider yourself professional I would expect that you would always perform to the standards that you were trained to. I have not driven past car accidents on the highway when going through Massachusetts simply because I have no legal obligation there and technically am not even an EMT there. That didn't seem to matter to the people I helped.

If you are not very comfortable in talking to your patients and asking them questions I would have to wonder how good you are at your job. If you cannot be subtle and phrase questions in such a manner that you can get answers without leading your patient or family members, how do you do your job? And if you have done this for any amount of time I would be amazed Lee if you had never had a “secured scene” degenerate into a serious f**king problem. I have been at scenes with a trooper and had to help out after everything took a turn for the bad. I don’t live in a real remote area but we only have state police for our police force so sometime we only have one on scene and even that can take a while. Or you have never had situations that shouldn’t have been a problem become one in the middle of patient care. If you have never had that happen consider yourself lucky. If you have then why are you jerking my chain?

And Don, they ask because they have a legal responsibility to ask and can loose thier license if they don't. Doctors and nurses use to be the only "mandated reporters" in just about every state. My state has increased the number of mandated reporters to a lot more of the medical and school personnel. 99% of the time we know what we are looking at and know the answer before we ask. We still have to ask, "how did this happen"? Because, if the kid has gloved burns on his hands and mom tells us that she spilled the boiling water from the stove we know moms full of crap. Just the same if we walk in for medical call for an infant and there is no food or formula in the house and the house is a mess, we must report that and should report it. In most instances they will get assistance from the town/state to feed and care for the kid the way the kid should be cared for. I’ll also tell you that I have treated plenty of hurt kids and injured elderly and never once had suspicions of abuse. I have reported several situations because I didn’t believe the person (one child, one elder) was being cared for appropriately, in seven years. Two people in seven years. In both cases, it was resolved with assistance from the agency with food and/or in home care assistance. I’m actually proud of that.

Now if some of you want to believe that this group was out for a typical Sunday drive in their 20 foot 12,000 pound RV 1.5 miles in on a jeep trail with a sign that warned about it being washed out and then turned off of the jeep trail and drove onto a hiking trail just to get out of the sun. And then fleeing the area after we talked. I have no problem with that. I personally thought it was a little weird. No less so than if I had come across an elephant standing there, and yes, I probably would have told the cops about that also. :eek::p And with that, I think I have just about exhausted my writing on this subject.

Regards,
KR
 
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When I was in the Air Force I worked for a chopper squadron who helped out the DEA and local police by ferrying Marijuana out of hard to reach places.

This is a growing problem, people growing drugs in national parks and other localities. Some of the growers are just out of work trying to make ends meet, others are illegal immigrants that must come up with the cash to rescue their families from slavery/execution in Mexico.
Some of the fields of mary jane were booby trapped with punji stakes and hidden fish hooks in the bushes, others were just kind of growing on their own. It was always interesting to talk to pilots about these things.

Anyways, a year or two before I started there the guys at the chopper squadron participated in removing marijuana from a field hidden in the middle of nowhere. While the DEA was chopping it down they came upon 2 shallow graves of a Father and Son who had been hiking in the area months before and had gotten "lost".

That was in 2004 or so. They had a slow year and only busted $78 million in Marijuana.

Not my story, but trust your spidy sense, or your dog's. If something is out of the ordinary I say get out of there, some of the folks out there have deeper pockets and greater access to ordinance than any normal civilian does. And the scary thing is that they can and do get away with murder.
 
kr1 said:
This is starting to get a little boring. I am an EMT in CT. I also do/have practiced as an EMT at times in the Wilderness and am certified as a Wilderness EMT on SAR teams in both CT and NH. I teach SAR and SAR related subjects to my Fire department and other groups. I have also passed my instructor certification to be an EMS instructor in CT and will shortly have my license when the rest of the paperwork is finished. In CT we have a law, on the books for the last 4 or 5 years where every EMT/Paramedic/Nurse/School Teacher/MRT are now all considered mandated reporters. BY LAW we have a legal obligation to report ANY suspected abuse, physical or OTHERWISE of elder and child that we reasonably suspect may have or is taking place. I already stated that I probably wasn't legally obliged to report it. It didn't mean that I still don't take that responsibility seriously. And it is not a police report we fill out in CT. We MUST make an oral report by phone within 8 hours and it must be acted upon by the agency within 24 hours and our written report on the incident must be filed within 48 hours, again, BY LAW. Since that mechanism wasn’t available to me, since I wasn’t in CT, I used the phone to call the police. If you consider yourself professional I would expect that you would always perform to the standards that you were trained to. I have not driven past car accidents on the highway when going through Massachusetts simply because I have no legal obligation there and technically am not even an EMT there. That didn't seem to matter to the people I helped.

If you are not very comfortable in talking to your patients and asking them questions I would have to wonder how good you are at your job. If you cannot be subtle and phrase questions in such a manner that you can get answers without leading your patient or family members, how do you do your job? And if you have done this for any amount of time I would be amazed Lee if you had never had a “secured scene” degenerate into a serious f**king problem. I have been at scenes with a trooper and had to help out after everything took a turn for the bad. I don’t live in a real remote area but we only have state police for our police force so sometime we only have one on scene and even that can take a while. Or you have never had situations that shouldn’t have been a problem become one in the middle of patient care. If you have never had that happen consider yourself lucky. If you have then why are you jerking my chain?

And Don, they ask because they have a legal responsibility to ask. Doctors and nurses use to be the only "mandated reporters" in just about every state. My state has increased the number of mandated reporters to a lot more of the medical and school personnel. 99% of the time we know what we are looking at and know the answer before we ask. We still have to ask, "how did this happen"? Because it the kid has gloved burns on his hands and mom tells us that she spilled the boiling water from the stove we know moms full of crap. Just the same if we walk in for medical call for an infant and there is no food or formula in the house and the house is a mess, we must report that and should report it. In most instances they will get assistance from the town/state to feed and care for the kid the way the kid should be cared for. I’ll also tell you that I have treated plenty of hurt kids and injured elderly and never once had suspicions of abuse. I have reported several situations because I didn’t believe the person (one child, one elder) was not being cared for appropriately, in seven years. In both cases, it was resolved with assistance from the agency with food and/or in home care assistance. I’m actually proud of that.

Now if some of you want to believe that this group was out for a typical Sunday drive in their 20 foot 12,000 pound RV 1.5 miles in on a jeep trail with a sign that warned about it being a washed out and then turned off of the jeep trail and drove onto a hiking trail just to get out of the sun. And then fleeing the area after we talked. I have no problem with that. I personally thought it was a little weird. No less so than if I had come across an elephant standing there, and yes, I probably would have told the cops about that also. :eek::p And with that, I think I have just about exhausted my writing on this subject.

Regards,
KR
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Well, I'm a CCEMT-P. I feel that I'm pretty good at my job. I ask pertinent questions regarding my patients. You'll excuse me if I dont feel the need to justify myself to you, with your oh-so impressive credentials. If you had read my posts, you would see that I said if I had reasonable cause to suspect abuse, and the circumstances were right, I would ask questions regarding DV. If I did not feel it was relevant to the immediate well-being of my patient, I would refrain.

As for your other implications, I'll say this: You need to work on not getting your feathers ruffled so easily. If you didnt want people's honest opinions on the situation, you shouldnt have posted it. I think you jumped to a lot of conclusions, and assumed quite a bit. I'll leave it at that, as opposed to entering a pissing contest with you. Thanks.
 
I walked up on a camp in the middle of nowhere in east texas once, guy and his woman. He was sittin in a camp chair drinkin coffee by the fire. She was nekid except for flip flops, doing little things around the camp. He nodded, I nodded, she smiled and kept on about her business.
I didn't ask for a cup of coffee.
 
EMT_Lee,

At what point did KR1 ask for anyones opinion on his experience?

I thought he was relating what had happened to him as a lead in for asking what strange wilderness encounters other forum members might have had.

Did I miss something??:confused:
 
EMT_Lee said:
As for your other implications, I'll say this: You need to work on not getting your feathers ruffled so easily. If you didnt want people's honest opinions on the situation, you shouldnt have posted it. I think you jumped to a lot of conclusions, and assumed quite a bit. I'll leave it at that, as opposed to entering a pissing contest with you. Thanks.
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That sums it up.

There is a whole lot of difference in being a professional and being off time and in the woods and deliberately sticking your nose in someone else's business where it clearly doesn't belong and then running off to report every wittle thing you saw to John Law. One day, and this is a lesson I have had to learn in life as well so I'm not getting too preachy, but if you keep sticking your nose where it doesn't belong, you get it smashed...or worse.

In case some have not noticed as the view from your average ivory tower is not so good at times, there are a whole lot of people who are really in the shit and down on their luck and living in motorhomes, conversion vans, you name it. They probably freaked out because they had been rousted before, and, paranoia not being the case, read the OP's attitude like an open book and decided to get the hell out of there because the law was coming.

I can make that jump just as easy as all of this meth-paranoia nonsense.
 
I recently posted about coming across signs of a grow op in the woods, and my senses were in overdrive, screaming "OUT , NOW! "

i turned and left the way i came.
 
Looking at the entire thread, some of the weirdest stuff I have encountered is people wandering around my campsite, so, I'm sort of bizarred out about the whole thing anyway...the way the story unfolded. :)
 
I was cutting and hauling firewood out in the woods one day down at our hunting camp. I was alone, except for my two dogs. They were having their usual fun, exploring all around like they do, while I worked. Late in the afternoon, they suddenly just stop and stare at the same point in the trees over there. Hair goes up, a couple low grr's here and there. They make no attempt to go after whatever they sensed, which is what I would have expected them to do if it was some critter or another. It's a thick area, so I can't see very far through the trees. So we're all just standing there staring. There's no wind, no sounds, nothing. After a while I decided I had enough wood for the day, called them over, packed up and left. I've always wondered what spooked them so much that day, I only know it wasn't nothing.
 
I dunno about weird but I've got a few peculiar encounters that were pretty awesome. I was cranking on my roadbike on the 3 mile long bridge to Destin in Florida when about a dozen albatrosses swept by overhead and glided for about a mile 10 feet above me. They move so much air when they fly I drafted behind them and gained a few Mph. I've also swam with dolphins in the same area, and biked with a herd of whitetail in WI.
 
dipbait said:
....My spidie senses tingled this spring while mushroom hunting. I was by myself except for a friends dog. Walking along I got an uneasy feeling about the area I was heading into. Didnt hear or see anything.The area looked peaceful and serene. I stopped , stared and listened for a minute or two , nothing strange was observed. The dog was about thirty feet in front of me. She stopped sniffing around, looked in the same direction , her hair stood up and she growled. I quietly retreated out .
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Wendigo

Blue Sky said:
I was cutting and hauling firewood out in the woods one day down at our hunting camp. I was alone, except for my two dogs. They were having their usual fun, exploring all around like they do, while I worked. Late in the afternoon, they suddenly just stop and stare at the same point in the trees over there. Hair goes up, a couple low grr's here and there. They make no attempt to go after whatever they sensed, which is what I would have expected them to do if it was some critter or another. It's a thick area, so I can't see very far through the trees. So we're all just standing there staring. There's no wind, no sounds, nothing. After a while I decided I had enough wood for the day, called them over, packed up and left. I've always wondered what spooked them so much that day, I only know it wasn't nothing.
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Wendigo
 
EMT_Lee said:
As for your other implications, I'll say this: You need to work on not getting your feathers ruffled so easily. If you didnt want people's honest opinions on the situation, you shouldnt have posted it. I think you jumped to a lot of conclusions, and assumed quite a bit. I'll leave it at that, as opposed to entering a pissing contest with you. Thanks.
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Don Rearic said:
That sums it up..
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Sums what up? KR1 never asked for anyones opinion or implied that he was seeking the rather arrogant judgements that have been posted. All he asked for was if anyone wanted to share odd wilderness experiences.


Don Rearic said:
In case some have not noticed as the view from your average ivory tower is not so good at times, there are a whole lot of people who are really in the shit and down on their luck and living in motorhomes, conversion vans, you name it. They probably freaked out because they had been rousted before, and, paranoia not being the case, read the OP's attitude like an open book and decided to get the hell out of there because the law was coming.

I can make that jump just as easy as all of this meth-paranoia nonsense.
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Most people on the down and out are as careful as they can possibly be with what little they have as they can't afford to replace or repair it. The individuals that KR1 posted about were the opposite of careful which points to up to no good vs honest person being rousted.

As to the "meth-paranoia nonsense" it was offered as an explanation that explained the behavior that was demonstrated not as a statement of fact. Tennessee is having a lot of problems with Meth being made in just about any location you can imagine, so it is conceivable that I am predisposed to that as a possibility.

On the other hand your suggestion that these were individuals on the down and out, who out of fear of being hassled by the law,would be reckless with what little they have seems foolish in the extreme.

It is always good to remember that it is not only other people who forget what it is like to not live in an ivory tower.:)
 
This is a great thread being ruined by a couple of people. I'd suggest dropping the pissing match before people start reporting your posts.

I enjoy reading about peoples' experiences when out and about and hope to learn something about how they handled it. I don't feel any of us should have to weed through your arguement that should be handled through PM or email.

Please stop.


To get on topic:

My dog has gotten spooked a few times in the woods, normally its over an animal that I can see and she just wants to run after it. The thing that gets me nervous is when she gets spooked and she stands still and does the low growl thing AND I can't see what is going on. I wish I had dog senses.

One time only a few weeks ago I had my son on my back and my dog on my leash and I decided to hit a trail in a State Forest that I hadn't previously been on before. I was into the hike probably only 2 miles or so when I started to see tracks from multiple humans. I thought it to be very wierd as these tracks just appeared which meant they came from off trail somewhere - not crazy just odd. Well I keep going but just get an odd feeling that I was being watched (I problaby wasn't I just got that odd feeling). Not long after that feeling started my dog stopped in her tracks staring out in front of us and started that low growl thing. Now I get more creaped out because my dog is now agreeing with my gut :) and I have my son on my back. I decided not to go any further that day and watched my a$$ all the way back to the car.

To give a little background - the forest I was in is off a road in which a lot of crime occurs. Home invasions and drug related crimes are quite common in that area but I normally don't see anyone other than young couples and families on those trails.

I feel as if I made the right decision that day.
 
On a time CRITICAL! SAR mission we got the page for a missing 16 month old who wandered from a home through the back yard in diapers from a family get together in mid fall. The area behind the home was endless wilderness and crawling with coyotes.

4 ! hrs later and 500 yards away I follow a small river back to the 90% zone and find the tott sitting in an inch of snow stark naked at 1 am playing without a care in the world with the temp at near the freezing mark.

After stuffing him in my jacket and running to the CP I checked his vitals, primary secondary and he was in better shape than I.

I now believe in angels, something was looking out for this boy.

Yes, the parents were investigated.

Skam
 
Yesterday I watched a large yellow vehicle driving down my street. It appeared suspious so I followed (from a safe distance). My worst fears were confirmed. It passed by all the adults but STOPPED AND PICKED UP ALL THE CHILDREN. Didn't matter how many children were there either. One, three or five. It picked them ALL up.
It seemed to disorient and hypnotize them with flashing red lights as they marched zombie style on the vehicle.
I, of course, notified the authorities and the newspaper so I could receive the much needed pat on the head while being told I did good.
I then started scouring the internet for pissing matches so I could report them and get a second gold star for the day.
A hero's work is never done.
 
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