Zero Tolerance 0801S110V Limited Run

[okbohn]

As far as I know, other than KSF, we've so far seen the ZT 0801S110V sell for MAP of $280 (20% off MSRP of $350) at KershawGuy and GP Knives. I'm hoping that BladeHQ, KnifeCenter and KnifeWorks will all carry them at MAP.

I am not trying to be difficult...just price them according to the market.

Tell you guys what, I just lowered the price to $280 for 24 hours. I am going to go put a credit on the account for the people who bought them thus far.

 

[59Bassman]

Doggone. That is a sleek, sexy knife.

 

[RamZar]

I am not trying to be difficult...just price them according to the market.

Tell you guys what, I just lowered the price to $280 for 24 hours. I am going to go put a credit on the account for the people who bought them thus far.

Welcome news!

$280.00

In Stock: 24

 

[Colorodo]

Thank you for doing that just ordered.

 

[ceptor781]

Thanks Derrick, just grabbed one too.

 

[asdf12345]

I hope these don't start showing up in the secondary market at inflated prices. $280 seems like a big price increase for a knife that probably costs less to produce than the standard 0801.

 

[EagleScouter]

Glad I got one. Love the minimalist look, with S110V at a good hardness (60+). :thumbup:
I've carried Kershaws for years, but this is acutally my first ZT, and I'm darn excited for it to show up.

 

[RevDevil]

I hope these don't start showing up in the secondary market at inflated prices. $280 seems like a big price increase for a knife that probably costs less to produce than the standard 0801.

It's far from a secret that S110V is a steel that eats grinding belts like no ones business and is tough as hell to machine, as well as having a complex heat treat. Just some things to consider before pulling out the old broad paint brush. S90V is also a very touch steel to machine, they both have so many carbides and are so wear resistant many companies just won't work with them.

 

[asdf12345]

It's far from a secret that S110V is a steel that eats grinding belts like no ones business and is tough as hell to machine, as well as having a complex heat treat. Just some things to consider before pulling out the old broad paint brush. S90V is also a very touch steel to machine, they both have so many carbides and are so wear resistant many companies just won't work with them.

I agree with everything you said, but I would think the elimination of the complex and deep milling on both sides of the titanium frame (and to a lesser extent the elimination of the logo etch on the presentation side of the blade) would significantly cancel out the added cost of S110-V.

 

[RevDevil]

MAP on that knife is 20% off full retail.

We landed closer to full retail than MAP because there are very few available.

Everything in ZT on our site sells for MAP except these kinds of super limited things. Many times these super small runs actually sell for more than full retail.

We do the same on our Benchmade Gold class as well.

Originally we sold all of those things at MAP, but we got tired of people buying all of them and then seeing them on EBAY for a lot more. After talking with ZT and Benchmade they suggested we raise the prices on the limited runs like this.

Derrick

I hate when the scalpers ruin it for the rest of the guys that actually collect, keep, and use them. I don't think it's as much a problem with Benchmade Gold Class knives, the prices are already astronomical in comparison to other mid tech knives. I've never seen anyone bragging about flipping a Gold Class, yet. It's sad though that because of a few greedy bastids, everyone has to suffer the consequences. There has to be a better way. Thanks for the price drop Derrick, I picked one up from KSF after all because of it.

 

[craytab]

I hope these don't start showing up in the secondary market at inflated prices. $280 seems like a big price increase for a knife that probably costs less to produce than the standard 0801.

Why exactly would you care what price they start going for on the secondary market. Anyone who wants one should get it now. You have already stated you are not a fan. I agree with you in that I will not be buying one but what someone does once they buy a knife doesn't concern anyone else provided they use it legally. Throw it off a bridge for all I care....

 

[Rasco]

I am not trying to be difficult...just price them according to the market.

Tell you guys what, I just lowered the price to $280 for 24 hours. I am going to go put a credit on the account for the people who bought them thus far.

You're awesome.

 

[RevDevil]

I agree with everything you said, but I would think the elimination of the complex and deep milling on both sides of the titanium frame (and to a lesser extent the elimination of the logo etch on the presentation side of the blade) would cancel out the added cost of S110-V.

Ti is also a PITA to mil and machine. It doesn't always arrive in nice straight sheets ready to cut and process. Some of the heat treat protocols I've read about on the data sheets for various steels involve a lot of high dollar equipment like sub zero quenchers, ovens, close monitoring, testing, and a lot of time.. It's really involved from what it appears. It's still a great price for what you are getting. I ended up with a S90V knife with aluminum handles and a titanium lockbar (liner lock), one of the worst stonewashing jobs ever seen, and it was delayed for over 6 months and I paid close to $375 for it. This is one hell of a good deal compared to that. Ask Scurvy about it.

 

[okbohn]

Why exactly would you care what price they start going for on the secondary market. Anyone who wants one should get it now. You have already stated you are not a fan. I agree with you in that I will not be buying one but what someone does once they buy a knife doesn't concern anyone else provided they use it legally. Throw it off a bridge for all I care....

Good point.

It just bugs me.

In any event, we always try to be competitive. I didn't know everyone else was at 280.

It is a sweet knife!

 

[Moxy]

I agree with everything you said, but I would think the elimination of the complex and deep milling on both sides of the titanium frame (and to a lesser extent the elimination of the logo etch on the presentation side of the blade) would significantly cancel out the added cost of S110-V.

I disagree. Yes, to some extent omitting some of the decorative machining and laser etching would reduce the machining time and thus cost, but these limited runs require special attention. Production needs to take a conscious effort in changing from the norm and re-program various machining aspects to work with the changed designs and materials. All that setup, testing, and troubleshooting of the new parameters takes alot of time, and it's all for a very small run of knives. That also halts production of the standard models.

Considering how limited it is, I'd guess ZT had some extra s110v saved aside for this purpose. Speaking of which, does anyone have any idea of how many are being made? A normal sprint run is about 1000 units, so how many is a "very limited run"?

 

[okbohn]

Considering how limited it is, I'd guess ZT had some extra s110v saved aside for this purpose. Speaking of which, does anyone have any idea of how many are being made? A normal sprint run is about 1000 units, so how many is a "very limited run"?

Thomas from ZT said they won't give the numbers out. I am pretty sure it is very low. There was a special allotment for their top dealers.

 

[RevDevil]

I disagree. Yes, to some extent omitting some of the decorative machining and laser etching would reduce the machining time and thus cost, but these limited runs require special attention. Production needs to take a conscious effort in changing from the norm and re-program various machining aspects to work with the changed designs and materials. All that setup, testing, and troubleshooting of the new parameters takes alot of time, and it's all for a very small run of knives. That also halts production of the standard models.

Considering how limited it is, I'd guess ZT had some extra s110v saved aside for this purpose. Speaking of which, does anyone have any idea of how many are being made? A normal sprint run is about 1000 units, so how many is a "very limited run"?

That is an inaccurate quantity for a LE. Sal mentioned that some Spyderco models produced by the makers in Seki City only do a minimum of 1000. The LE models can be as few as in the 30s, remember the Kershaw Volt? KAI stopped announcing quantity long, long ago.

 

[Moxy]

Gotcha. I was judging by the somewhat recent run of the 0560CBCF with s110v. I think ZT said there were about 1000 units being made. But some people threw a fit when they saw serial numbers in 1200s.

 

[asdf12345]

I disagree. Yes, to some extent omitting some of the decorative machining and laser etching would reduce the machining time and thus cost, but these limited runs require special attention. Production needs to take a conscious effort in changing from the norm and re-program various machining aspects to work with the changed designs and materials. All that setup, testing, and troubleshooting of the new parameters takes alot of time, and it's all for a very small run of knives. That also halts production of the standard models.

Considering how limited it is, I'd guess ZT had some extra s110v saved aside for this purpose. Speaking of which, does anyone have any idea of how many are being made? A normal sprint run is about 1000 units, so how many is a "very limited run"?

All good points and I'm aware of that, but consider the 0801CF. Those required more complex milling, anodization, a DLC coating on the blade, carbon fiber inserts, a new steel, and had laser etching changes as well. That one was sold for $320 new. Everything you said about testing, changing of processes, etc was true about the 0801CF but to an even greater degree as it's changes were very extensive. It was a limited run as well.

With the 0801S110V the tooling changes are pretty small in comparison and no new finishes or materials are involved. Yet the price is pretty close to that of the 0801CF.

 

[RamZar]

I hope these don't start showing up in the secondary market at inflated prices.

If you personally care about "inflated" secondary market pricing on these, now you have a chance to get one for a relatively "low" price of $280 like everybody else!

$280 seems like a big price increase for a knife that probably costs less to produce than the standard 0801.

Highly doubtful. You're forgetting that these are fairly low quantity limited editions. One dealer quoted 300 piece run but that could be just for the U.S. I've seen them on Russian websites.