Zero Tolerance 0801S110V Limited Run

These are all going to sell, and most likely pretty quickly too, so I don't see how one could say they are charging too much, especially when you look at it from ZT's side as a business.
 
asdf12345 said:
All good points and I'm aware of that, but consider the 0801CF. Those required more complex milling, anodization, a DLC coating on the blade, carbon fiber inserts, a new steel, and had laser etching changes as well. That one was sold for $320 new. Everything you said about testing, changing of processes, etc was true about the 0801CF but to an even greater degree as it's changes were very extensive. It was a limited run as well.

With the 0801S110V the tooling changes are pretty small in comparison and no new finishes or materials are involved. Yet the price is pretty close to that of the 0801CF.
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With all this insider knowledge, is it safe to assume that you work for KAI? You speak as though you know all this for fact
 
somber said:
With all this insider knowledge, is it safe to assume that you work for KAI? You speak as though you know all this for fact
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Everything I said is pretty common knowledge. The 0801CF has extra milled pockets for the inlays and a milled slot that passes through the entire presentation side scale. It also has an aubergine-colored anodization on the frame and an aubergine-colored DLC which was left on the flat and finished to a satin on the bevels. It also has carbon fiber inserts which themselves require different tooling and processes. It also has different blade etching than the standard 0801. It was sold for $320 when it was released, and it was a limited run.

I was going off this post:

Moxy said:
I disagree. Yes, to some extent omitting some of the decorative machining and laser etching would reduce the machining time and thus cost, but these limited runs require special attention. Production needs to take a conscious effort in changing from the norm and re-program various machining aspects to work with the changed designs and materials. All that setup, testing, and troubleshooting of the new parameters takes alot of time, and it's all for a very small run of knives. That also halts production of the standard models.

Considering how limited it is, I'd guess ZT had some extra s110v saved aside for this purpose.
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Think you forgot to ask him about his "insider knowledge" and ask him if he works for KAI.
 
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asdf12345 said:
$280 seems like a big price increase for a knife that probably costs less to produce than the standard 0801.
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Nope.

asdf12345 said:
I would think the elimination of the complex and deep milling on both sides of the titanium frame (and to a lesser extent the elimination of the logo etch on the presentation side of the blade) would significantly cancel out the added cost of S110-V.
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Nope.

Moxy said:
I disagree. Yes, to some extent omitting some of the decorative machining and laser etching would reduce the machining time and thus cost, but these limited runs require special attention. Production needs to take a conscious effort in changing from the norm and re-program various machining aspects to work with the changed designs and materials. All that setup, testing, and troubleshooting of the new parameters takes alot of time, and it's all for a very small run of knives. That also halts production of the standard models.
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And this is why.

okbohn said:
Good point. :)

It just bugs me.

In any event, we always try to be competitive. I didn't know everyone else was at 280.

It is a sweet knife!
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No worries! You are doing a great thing in trying to be competitive by dropping the price a bit. While this 801 variant is not for me, I have no doubt you could certainly sell all of these at a higher price than you are currently charging!

I don't necessarily like what happens on the secondary market with prices. I usually use the secondary market to get knives at LESS than what they sell for new. But once it is your knife, do the hell out of it what you want!
 
I am not in manufacturing, but I know in my business, every time we make a switch from our normal operations, it is extremely costly.

When a knife company takes on a new steel, changes tooling, changes program, markets, etc for a small run, it is costly.

I have spent a bunch of time talking with the ZT guys (they are not far from where we are located). They are knife nuts themselves. I think they are as excited as we are to experiment around. They just have cooler toys to play with when they do.

I have had a lot of fun working with them on some special projects (more coming) and I can say they are super willing to work out new ideas. I love that and I am willing (and do) pay a little more for those editions.

Beyond all of that. I see a ton of knives and ZT is one of the most bang for your buck out there. (I know, I know, just my opinion).
 
asdf12345 said:
I was going off what he said:



Think you forgot to ask him about his "insider knowledge" and ask him if he works for KAI.
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No "insider" knowledge at all. I read a lot, and pay close attention when manufacturers post information. It's all scattered around the forums for anyone to read, just have to know where to look. I then try and recall and relay that information when folks bring up specific topics. It's the curse of being on the forums and reading a whole bunch (dialog). I do not work for KAI, no.
 
okbohn said:
I have had a lot of fun working with them on some special projects (more coming) and I can say they are super willing to work out new ideas. I love that and I am willing (and do) pay a little more for those editions.
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Oh damn!!!!
 
craytab said:
Why exactly would you care what price they start going for on the secondary market. Anyone who wants one should get it now. You have already stated you are not a fan. I agree with you in that I will not be buying one but what someone does once they buy a knife doesn't concern anyone else provided they use it legally. Throw it off a bridge for all I care....
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Think you forgot to quote a couple others.

RevDevil said:
I hate when the scalpers ruin it for the rest of the guys that actually collect, keep, and use them. It's sad though that because of a few greedy bastids, everyone has to suffer the consequences.
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mainaman said:
Too bad it is limited run, secondary market prices will not be pretty
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asdf12345 said:
Everything I said is pretty common knowledge.
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Okay, so you're just stating your assumption based on the opinion of you've read here that has been stated by other people.

That sounds like a big game of telephone.
 
RevDevil said:
No "insider" knowledge at all. I read a lot, and pay close attention when manufacturers post information. It's all scattered around the forums for anyone to read, just have to know where to look. I then try and recall and relay that information when folks bring up specific topics. It's the curse of being on the forums and reading a whole bunch (dialog). I do not work for KAI, no.
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Sorry, I know that this is the case. I said that because somber claimed that I was pretending to have insider knowledge.

somber said:
Okay, so you're just stating your assumption based on the opinion of you've read here that has been stated by other people.

That sounds like a big game of telephone.
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No, what he said was correct and his information is pretty common knowledge too. I responded with something that is just as well known. Why would you say that I was pretending to have insider knowledge?
 
okbohn said:
I am not trying to be difficult...just price them according to the market.

Tell you guys what, I just lowered the price to $280 for 24 hours. I am going to go put a credit on the account for the people who bought them thus far.

:)
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You made it so hard to keep resisting, I had to nab one.
 
Moxy said:
Gotcha. I was judging by the somewhat recent run of the 0560CBCF with s110v. I think ZT said they're were about 1000 units being made. But some people threw a fit when they saw serial numbers in 1200s.
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And I believe that's exactly why KAI stopped announcing run numbers. And the reason there were numbers that high was simple, they mark every single one they make and a bunch end up rejected so they make more to cover the rejects. So, serial numbers in the 1200s, but only 1000 on the market.
 
okbohn said:
I am not trying to be difficult...just price them according to the market.

Tell you guys what, I just lowered the price to $280 for 24 hours. I am going to go put a credit on the account for the people who bought them thus far.

:)
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The proof is in the pudding - I got this message after my order earlier today on KSF
Jeff--

I realized after we put up this knife that other places were selling it for $280. We just lowered our price to match them. I have put a credit on your store account for $60 to make the difference. :)

Derrick
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On top of that, it shipped same day for free. This is why I wont hesitate to continue doing business with Derrick!
 
10 left at KSF... Have to give a big atta boy to Derrick and KSF for they way they handled this pricing issue. I feel very strongly that any retailer has the absolute right (within the limitations of their distribution agreement) to charge whatever price they think the market will bear. In a situation like this (apparently sequential release of a very limited sprint run), each retailer will, at most points in the process, be the sole retail source for the knife. That gives them the ability to price well above MAP without suffering a competitive disadvantage. Matching the price of retailers who no longer have the product is going above and beyond what a reasonable customer should expect. Good on Derrick and KSF - their goodwill should be returned in spades.

Anxiously awaiting mine...!
 
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