Zero Tolerance Liner Lock Closures?

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DocJD said:
Be sure to activate the English subtitles to better understand , unless you " porusky yazek "!
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If ZT made all their folders at least this great , there would be no problems with closures . :cool::thumbsup::thumbsup:
 
I think ZT's are low cost pocket jewelry more so than a working mans EDC so why do you need them to fully lock? If I can pick one up for lower than retail I'm still going to get one to take to the movies or out dinner but it will stay in my draw when it comes to work time like 95 percent of them most likely do. I have seen many knifes on the job sites over the years but I have Never seen anyone break out a Bench made or a ZT to strip cable, cut ropes, or even slice cardboard so the lack of a consistently solid lock up is no problem right? That's why we are not hearing of dozens of people getting injured by them because they are not using the as a working mans EDC, They are just carrying them around work every day. That's the difference in all honesty so a 30 percent lock up 50 percent of the time is no problem at all to them or me for something so Shinny but again when it comes to doing some real work Im grabbing a Kershaw Blur or a spydie and I'll whack that spine all day long without thinking twice.
 
Tommy-Chi said:
I'm ~80% Irish from the Near South Side of Chicago. After learning what I could from a lil man dressed in all green abt the power of the shillelagh, I looked to the Filipinos for the soul of the blade. These two groups never let me down. Even the SEALs look to the Filipinos.

I'm the family outfitter. Tomorrow, I'm outfitting my bro who is a Chicago Cop with a 4 to 5 inch fixed blade and/or karambit. Looking at giving him one of the following:

- Emerson Fixed Karambit
- Gerber LMF II Infantry Fixed 4.84" Combo Blade, Black
- Spyderco Jumpmaster 2 Fixed 4.5" H1 Serrated
- Winkler Knives WK II, Winkler Belt Knife - Exclusive Special Edition CPM 3V - Sculpted Multi Cam G10
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If I may make a suggestion I say go for the Winkler. The 3v steel is tough and thus good for the kind of things a non-knife person does to a knife. The edge is less likely to chip. I don’t know if it is coated or not but rust could potentially be an issue.

The karambit is abit too specialized of a knife imho requires more training to take full advantage of. Plus as a cop the karambit or serrated jump master might look a little “aggressive” should he ever need to use the knife infront of civillians or colleagues.

So that leaves the Lmf and winkler and of those two the Winkler is the better knife imho.
 
Lapedog said:
If I may make a suggestion I say go for the Winkler. The 3v steel is tough and thus good for the kind of things a non-knife person does to a knife. The edge is less likely to chip. I don’t know if it is coated or not but rust could potentially be an issue.

The karambit is abit too specialized of a knife imho requires more training to take full advantage of. Plus as a cop the karambit or serrated jump master might look a little “aggressive” should he ever need to use the knife infront of civillians or colleagues.

So that leaves the Lmf and winkler and of those two the Winkler is the better knife imho.
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Major court case being decided here in Chicago and there may be riots. I want him to DITCH the 0452 I bought him and use a fixed blade. He said that he will carry on or off duty what the heck he wants, so I picked these. These would be my goto along with an ESEE Junglass if the SHTF.

I agree 100% with you on the karambit. And the duty belt makes it even more difficult.
 
Night Rider said:
I think ZT's are low cost pocket jewelry more so than a working mans EDC so why do you need them to fully lock? If I can pick one up for lower than retail I'm still going to get one to take to the movies or out dinner but it will stay in my draw when it comes to work time like 95 percent of them most likely do. I have seen many knifes on the job sites over the years but I have Never seen anyone break out a Bench made or a ZT to strip cable, cut ropes, or even slice cardboard so the lack of a consistently solid lock up is no problem right? That's why we are not hearing of dozens of people getting injured by them because they are not using the as a working mans EDC, They are just carrying them around work every day. That's the difference in all honesty so a 30 percent lock up 50 percent of the time is no problem at all to them or me for something so Shinny but again when it comes to doing some real work Im grabbing a Kershaw Blur or a spydie and I'll whack that spine all day long without thinking twice.
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Point of fact:

The reason I shake my head at posts and threads like these is because I have carried and frequently used ZTs for years. For the better part of the last four years, I carried a 0566, then a 0562, then a 0609. I’ve used them extensively on cardboard, zip ties, plastic straps, packaging, wood, etc.

My experiences actually using them are precisely why I take so little of the speculation about bearings or framelocks seriously. Similarly, “ZT doesn’t make knives to cut things”. Yankyankyankyank. Right. .12” blade thickness on Elmax or 20CV has cut juuuuuust fine in real use.
 
Night Rider said:
I think ZT's are low cost pocket jewelry more so than a working mans EDC so why do you need them to fully lock? If I can pick one up for lower than retail I'm still going to get one to take to the movies or out dinner but it will stay in my draw when it comes to work time like 95 percent of them most likely do. I have seen many knifes on the job sites over the years but I have Never seen anyone break out a Bench made or a ZT to strip cable, cut ropes, or even slice cardboard so the lack of a consistently solid lock up is no problem right? That's why we are not hearing of dozens of people getting injured by them because they are not using the as a working mans EDC, They are just carrying them around work every day. That's the difference in all honesty so a 30 percent lock up 50 percent of the time is no problem at all to them or me for something so Shinny but again when it comes to doing some real work Im grabbing a Kershaw Blur or a spydie and I'll whack that spine all day long without thinking twice.
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Wow this one is a lot to unpack.

So I won't.
 
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Way too many wanna be moderators around here IMO ! Close this ZT bad lock thread and you'll just get another one like before etc . :rolleyes:
 
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