Zero Tolerance S35VN heat treat issues

craytab said:
You must see the irony in this. You are feeding those you have deemed trolls and going off topic just the same. You can turn off alerts to specific threads.
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you quoted my post, which means you wanted my attention, so I responded...
 
midnight flyer said:
I have the same knife, love it enough that I bought another one since they are discontinued. I use mine in my daily construction duties for things like cutting heavy fiberglass strapping, thin wiring, triple thick cardboard boxes that hold equipment shipped to site, trimming moldings (PVC and wood) and on a on.

Works great for me, better than some of the other "super" steeled knives I have. (No name... don't wan't to fire up a fan base...)

I set my edges and respective bevels based on the style and size of the knife and what it will be used for in its duties. If I find that the bevel I set isn't right for the knife, I rebevel until I find the sweet spot for me.

I am so, so thankful I don't have to worry about 1/2 of a degree of sharpening angle, maintaining an exactly perfect angle, mirror finishing and edge to perfect reflectivity, etc. I touch up all my knives with a 1200 gr diamond rod as needed. No knife I have ever owned will keep a perfect edge after a hard day on the site working as a tool, all the way up to my Kershaw Shallot in S110V. I can get all the better steels returned to shaving sharp with a few swipes after a hard day of work and that is what they get. ZT's S35 responds to that treatment very well. Usually, it only gets a touch up once a week whether it needs it or not.

A good, clean edge that will shave arm hair, slice paper cleanly and last in practical use is all I need.

Robert
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I hear you there. I have a brand new 0909 waiting on the shelf from the clearance sales myself. I figured I'd better have an extra if I wouldn't be able to replace it with the same model in the future if I needed to. The 0909 and the Camilus electrician's knife are the only two knives I've bought duplicates of so I wouldn't need to be without one.
 
craytab said:
I've had no problems with any zt s35vn, early or late production.
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Why do you think Cedric and Ada on you tube had trouble with his first two ZT s edge retention and did better putting his last ZT through his test? Pressure from the ZT community? :eek:
 
the serial number on his blade is 9262, mine is 9704 that's only 442 apart. I wonder how many they make in each batch.
 
whp said:
Why do you think Cedric and Ada on you tube had trouble with his first two ZT s edge retention and did better putting his last ZT through his test? Pressure from the ZT community? :eek:
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No clue. I have no intention of watching any of their videos. Perhaps just bad luck or they suck at cutting stuff and/or sharpening. I don't buy into YouTube hype click bait so there is that. Much better information here. Oh, and my actual first hand experience generally drives my opinion.
 
I have two ZTs with s35vn, 0550 and 0055. I'm not a professional in any way related to knives and sharpening, but I enjoy free hand sharpening my knives and have found the ZT's s35vn to be too "soft" for my liking. I'm not sure how it compares to other companies' s35vn since I have this steel only in my ZTs, but honestly their edge retention is on the poorer side.

Currently I like edge retention on my M4 and M390 the best, but as I understand these are considered as "higher end" steels. Looking forward to getting my first ZDP189 and Maxamet in the future. Personally I prefer very high hardness in steel because I'm not doing hard work with them and I like my knives to be hair whittling.

Thanks!
 
Yes, the more common stainless CPMs, at the least, cut like they are soft, but sharpen like they are hard. An endearing combination!

Gaston
 
craytab said:
No clue. I have no intention of watching any of their videos. Perhaps just bad luck or they suck at cutting stuff and/or sharpening. I don't buy into YouTube hype click bait so there is that. Much better information here. Oh, and my actual first hand experience generally drives my opinion.
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The amount of rambling knife videoes containing misinformation and click bait vids on 'tube is staggering.

Tough to sift through all the bs.

Better to start a thread here.
 
BladeScout said:
The amount of rambling knife videoes containing misinformation and click bait vids on 'tube is staggering.

Tough to sift through all the bs.

Better to start a thread here.
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Even here you need to watch who's advice you take.
 
Lukabrazi said:
I have two ZTs with s35vn, 0550 and 0055. I'm not a professional in any way related to knives and sharpening, but I enjoy free hand sharpening my knives and have found the ZT's s35vn to be too "soft" for my liking. I'm not sure how it compares to other companies' s35vn since I have this steel only in my ZTs, but honestly their edge retention is on the poorer side.

Currently I like edge retention on my M4 and M390 the best, but as I understand these are considered as "higher end" steels. Looking forward to getting my first ZDP189 and Maxamet in the future. Personally I prefer very high hardness in steel because I'm not doing hard work with them and I like my knives to be hair whittling.

Thanks!
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Compared to S30V, S35VN does show marginally less edge retention, with marginally higher toughness. Sharpening, however, is where S35VN is a real oddity. It sharpens super easily, marginally harder than AUS-8 to sharpen. Holds an edge very well, but is just deceptively easy to sharpen.

If you have most of your experience from sharpening and not using, I can see how you would think S35VN feels soft. I've ran mine dull a few times, and generally used it enough to get a good feel for it, I'm getting pretty similar edge retention from ZT, Kizer, and WE. Kizer seems to do the best, but that could be geometry.
 
whp said:
Why do you think Cedric and Ada on you tube had trouble with his first two ZT s edge retention and did better putting his last ZT through his test? Pressure from the ZT community? :eek:
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Yeah they're funny.;)
 
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